| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? 09:54 - Oct 20 with 1756 views | tractorboy1978 |
Those two goals were far too easy. The first one, I wouldn't expect to see in a Sunday league game let alone the Premier league. McKenna must be furious with that. You work all week on a gameplan and then completely shoot yourself in the foot. Although saying that, I thought they were streets better than us and could have scored a couple more.
I know Everton took their foot off the gas towards the end and were happy to sit in, but we looked far more functional when we had a team that looked similar to one we had last season on the pitch. |  | | |  |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 09:59 - Oct 20 with 1723 views | _clive_baker_ |
It’s not just the goals, they’re just the ones we’re being punished for. There’s countless of them, Phillips played an under hit ball to Woolf that sent DCL through 1 on 1, Woolf loose pass back to Muric who inexplicably passed it out for a corner. Burns obviously not clearing his lines for their opener, Clarke not testing Pickford with a good chance before that. All in the opening 15 minutes. O’Shea 2nd half nearly providing an assist. It was a shambles really, as was West Ham. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 10:01]
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| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 10:46 - Oct 20 with 1607 views | strikalite |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 09:59 - Oct 20 by _clive_baker_ |
It’s not just the goals, they’re just the ones we’re being punished for. There’s countless of them, Phillips played an under hit ball to Woolf that sent DCL through 1 on 1, Woolf loose pass back to Muric who inexplicably passed it out for a corner. Burns obviously not clearing his lines for their opener, Clarke not testing Pickford with a good chance before that. All in the opening 15 minutes. O’Shea 2nd half nearly providing an assist. It was a shambles really, as was West Ham. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 10:01]
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Yep, and the worry is we're producing little ourselves especially on the counter, think we've always made mistakes and either not got punished like you do in this league or been good enough against weaker opposition to convert enough of the chances we'd create..
Having both Wolf and Burgess start their first games at this level with a new keeper who so far isn't as comfortable with the ball at his feet as Hladky was, really didn't help either, a few times i noticed that Muric didn't want the ball to feet like Hladky used to, didn't show for it, mixture of all these things yesterday didn't help against a well drilled side, but overall it was a case of just not creating enough at the other end which could have glossed over the defensive issues somewhat.
One more thing, I said when we lossed the toss and switched ends I had a bad feeling, always think attacking North second half is a huge bonus, no doubt Everton and other sides understand this.. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 11:45]
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| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 10:50 - Oct 20 with 1592 views | Steve_M |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 09:59 - Oct 20 by _clive_baker_ |
It’s not just the goals, they’re just the ones we’re being punished for. There’s countless of them, Phillips played an under hit ball to Woolf that sent DCL through 1 on 1, Woolf loose pass back to Muric who inexplicably passed it out for a corner. Burns obviously not clearing his lines for their opener, Clarke not testing Pickford with a good chance before that. All in the opening 15 minutes. O’Shea 2nd half nearly providing an assist. It was a shambles really, as was West Ham. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 10:01]
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Yes, just far too many of them all season. And, as you say, it’s far more than just the goals. There will always be things defenders can do better for any goal but giving up four or five simple chance per game is deeply problematic. |  |
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| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 10:55 - Oct 20 with 1573 views | FrimleyBlue |
Forgetting the ins and outs of muric
I'd like to see Walton get a few games to see what effect if any it has.
He's no hladky with the ball at feet. But he always seemed a calming influence behind the defenders and quite verbal. ( yes it was evident on the tele at times) gestures with arms etc too. I would be interested to see if this transformed the confidence of those ahead of him and reduced the errors.
Maybe those behind the goal can help.. how verbal us muric btw? [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 10:57]
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| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 10:59 - Oct 20 with 1551 views | Hipsterectomy |
Why the fck are they all too proud to smash the ball away if they make a mistake, a poor touch, don’t expect one or two players on them as quickly as it appears they will be, are wrong footed, are not expecting a poor or awkward pass?
It must be being drilled into them by McKenna and coaches that they can’t do this for every player, plus new players, to refuse to smash it away under pressure. We aren’t Arsenal Invincibles or prime 2010s Barcelona ffs
What’s even more baffling is after making mistakes doing this almost every game, they are still doing it!! |  |
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| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 11:05 - Oct 20 with 1512 views | FrimleyBlue |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 10:59 - Oct 20 by Hipsterectomy |
Why the fck are they all too proud to smash the ball away if they make a mistake, a poor touch, don’t expect one or two players on them as quickly as it appears they will be, are wrong footed, are not expecting a poor or awkward pass?
It must be being drilled into them by McKenna and coaches that they can’t do this for every player, plus new players, to refuse to smash it away under pressure. We aren’t Arsenal Invincibles or prime 2010s Barcelona ffs
What’s even more baffling is after making mistakes doing this almost every game, they are still doing it!! |
There is something in that hence osheas header to burns. It should have been headed out for a corner. But he's too keen to keep it in play. | |
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| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 11:06 - Oct 20 with 1499 views | tractorboy1978 |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 10:50 - Oct 20 by Steve_M |
Yes, just far too many of them all season. And, as you say, it’s far more than just the goals. There will always be things defenders can do better for any goal but giving up four or five simple chance per game is deeply problematic. |
And Phillips seems to be the worst for it. Far too sloppy and casual. I wonder how long McKenna will persist with trying to play him into form. I'm still not sure he is even fit to be honest. | | | |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 11:13 - Oct 20 with 1429 views | Dennyx4 |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 10:55 - Oct 20 by FrimleyBlue |
Forgetting the ins and outs of muric
I'd like to see Walton get a few games to see what effect if any it has.
He's no hladky with the ball at feet. But he always seemed a calming influence behind the defenders and quite verbal. ( yes it was evident on the tele at times) gestures with arms etc too. I would be interested to see if this transformed the confidence of those ahead of him and reduced the errors.
Maybe those behind the goal can help.. how verbal us muric btw? [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 10:57]
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In all honesty, I don’t see that Walton is any better with his feet than Muric.
Personally, think Muric is getting a raw deal. He does command his area from crosses and corners, which certainly helps the defence and has made numerous saves from one on one situations. I also think he is much better at these parts of goalkeeping than Walton.
He has made a couple of errors, but let’s not kid ourselves, that Hladky or Walton also don’t/didn’t make errors. |  | | |
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| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 11:14 - Oct 20 with 1425 views | Hipsterectomy |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 11:05 - Oct 20 by FrimleyBlue |
There is something in that hence osheas header to burns. It should have been headed out for a corner. But he's too keen to keep it in play. |
For McKenna, who usually can identify our weaknesses within a 45 minute half and adapt to counter these and win us a game, it’s truly bizarre that one of the main reasons for our awful start to the season is unaddressed.
Opposition teams are just pressing us higher knowing we aren’t as good as them and will make mistakes, are low in confidence and will never just punt the ball aware if we’re in danger. It’s tactical suicide from McKenna for no apparent reason other than pride or he severely overestimates how good we are as a team | |
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| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 11:19 - Oct 20 with 1373 views | stonojnr |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 09:59 - Oct 20 by _clive_baker_ |
It’s not just the goals, they’re just the ones we’re being punished for. There’s countless of them, Phillips played an under hit ball to Woolf that sent DCL through 1 on 1, Woolf loose pass back to Muric who inexplicably passed it out for a corner. Burns obviously not clearing his lines for their opener, Clarke not testing Pickford with a good chance before that. All in the opening 15 minutes. O’Shea 2nd half nearly providing an assist. It was a shambles really, as was West Ham. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 10:01]
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tbf on Muric, that was an awful pass by Woolfie that Muric hadnt a hope of clearing properly because he wasnt set up to expect it, and it would have been way worse if he'd just spooned it straight to an Everton player with a clear shot on goal.
yeah you dont want to have to do knock a ball out for a corner like that when you have the possession, but for me it was the smarter decision to make in the circumstances.
of course everyone blames Muric, and not Wolfie for such a terrible pass. | | | |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 11:22 - Oct 20 with 1328 views | Wickets |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 09:59 - Oct 20 by _clive_baker_ |
It’s not just the goals, they’re just the ones we’re being punished for. There’s countless of them, Phillips played an under hit ball to Woolf that sent DCL through 1 on 1, Woolf loose pass back to Muric who inexplicably passed it out for a corner. Burns obviously not clearing his lines for their opener, Clarke not testing Pickford with a good chance before that. All in the opening 15 minutes. O’Shea 2nd half nearly providing an assist. It was a shambles really, as was West Ham. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 10:01]
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First goal sort of sums it up as both O'Shea and Burns have a simple chance to knock it out for a corner. |  | | |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 11:25 - Oct 20 with 1295 views | pointofblue |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 11:19 - Oct 20 by stonojnr |
tbf on Muric, that was an awful pass by Woolfie that Muric hadnt a hope of clearing properly because he wasnt set up to expect it, and it would have been way worse if he'd just spooned it straight to an Everton player with a clear shot on goal.
yeah you dont want to have to do knock a ball out for a corner like that when you have the possession, but for me it was the smarter decision to make in the circumstances.
of course everyone blames Muric, and not Wolfie for such a terrible pass. |
Then put it out for a throw, not a corner. The pass was poor but not completely irredeemable. It's similar to the first goal - O'Shea should have done better with the initial play, as Woolfenden should have done with the pass in this circumstance, but it was compounded by awful play by the next player up. | |
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| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 11:26 - Oct 20 with 1277 views | ITFC_84 |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 09:59 - Oct 20 by _clive_baker_ |
It’s not just the goals, they’re just the ones we’re being punished for. There’s countless of them, Phillips played an under hit ball to Woolf that sent DCL through 1 on 1, Woolf loose pass back to Muric who inexplicably passed it out for a corner. Burns obviously not clearing his lines for their opener, Clarke not testing Pickford with a good chance before that. All in the opening 15 minutes. O’Shea 2nd half nearly providing an assist. It was a shambles really, as was West Ham. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 10:01]
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THIS
It’s relentless isn’t it. Multiple times every single game.
It’s killing us | | | |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 11:34 - Oct 20 with 1210 views | pointofblue |
| We are making really, really basic errors aren't we? on 09:59 - Oct 20 by _clive_baker_ |
It’s not just the goals, they’re just the ones we’re being punished for. There’s countless of them, Phillips played an under hit ball to Woolf that sent DCL through 1 on 1, Woolf loose pass back to Muric who inexplicably passed it out for a corner. Burns obviously not clearing his lines for their opener, Clarke not testing Pickford with a good chance before that. All in the opening 15 minutes. O’Shea 2nd half nearly providing an assist. It was a shambles really, as was West Ham. [Post edited 20 Oct 2024 10:01]
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The thing is, is it any different to last year? Or even League One? We were mistaken ridden then, gifting regular chances to the opposition. But they weren't as clinical and we could fight back and score ourselves. This has been one area under McKenna which hasn't improved at all, and now we're really being punished for it. The only team this season who, to an extent, have had to work for their goals this season were Liverpool. Everyone else has just turned up and been gifted them. | |
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