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"For Israel, already angry with Norway for recognizing the Palestinian state and over Eide’s criticism of Israel’s constant attacks on Gaza, Norway’s letter to the ICC may have been the last straw. Its government officials have responded by calling Norway “anti-Semitic”
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 23:25 - Nov 1 by lowhouseblue
ok, but is that the trumpian, or the anti-semitic, or the broad conspriracy nonsense side?
none of them really, just common sense. guess i’m unhindered by a desperate urge to patronise and dig for ‘gotcha’ treasure to offer up for that one uppie of approbation that should land early tomorrow morning, once the dogs had its walk.
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 23:52 - Nov 1 by Bigalhunter
none of them really, just common sense. guess i’m unhindered by a desperate urge to patronise and dig for ‘gotcha’ treasure to offer up for that one uppie of approbation that should land early tomorrow morning, once the dogs had its walk.
ah, common sense. the language of farage et al. cool.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 00:02 - Nov 2 with 1798 views
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 00:02 - Nov 2 by Bigalhunter
ah, anti semitic conspiracy, the language of netanyahu and you. not cool.
so you think anti-semitism is a conspiracy promoted by israel?
we could do this all night - let's just move over to the 'white stout' thread (which we can all agree is shocking).
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 00:16 - Nov 2 with 1740 views
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 22:41 - Nov 1 by lowhouseblue
"This is so dumb - and my only reluctance is indulging in your deluded gotcha traps. I said Starmer has been captured - big f'ing deal. Tell me a leader who has not.... And by captured, I mean by his donors, backers, sponsors, the industrial military complex, Israeli lobbies, big money, the establishment.... yet in your head all you could hear me say is "JEWS!" That's just ridiculous... In South Africa all we spoke about in this country for a decade was how the government was captured by the Guptas. Yet to you, it implies antisemitism.... It's what we mean when we say a government does not have the interests of the people, but of his own circles. You are not qualified to interpret the rules - and you are not qualified to judge me."
wibble. trumpian, or anti-semitic, or broad conspriracy nonsense, i don't know how we tell you apart. but its all just one and the same.
You were down voted because you have doubled down on GB's accusations.
" trumpian, or anti-semitic, or broad conspriracy nonsense, i don't know how we tell you apart. but its all just one and the same."
You're literally saying, that if I believe lobbyists or political donors have any influence on policy (crazy thought, right?) then I am antisemitic. Tell me how that is not what you are implying?
Are you really unable to see how ridiculous and dishonest, let alone insulting that is?
I think you and GB have been tag teaming accusations of antisemitism for so long, that you are not even aware that you are doing it any more - and yes, I believe you were also were guilty of that in the Corbyn years too.
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Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 07:56 - Nov 2 with 1519 views
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 22:41 - Nov 1 by lowhouseblue
"This is so dumb - and my only reluctance is indulging in your deluded gotcha traps. I said Starmer has been captured - big f'ing deal. Tell me a leader who has not.... And by captured, I mean by his donors, backers, sponsors, the industrial military complex, Israeli lobbies, big money, the establishment.... yet in your head all you could hear me say is "JEWS!" That's just ridiculous... In South Africa all we spoke about in this country for a decade was how the government was captured by the Guptas. Yet to you, it implies antisemitism.... It's what we mean when we say a government does not have the interests of the people, but of his own circles. You are not qualified to interpret the rules - and you are not qualified to judge me."
wibble. trumpian, or anti-semitic, or broad conspriracy nonsense, i don't know how we tell you apart. but its all just one and the same.
Wow! He's literally just explained how he's been fighting injustices throughout his life. He's been jailed and beaten for standing up for human rights, and this is your reply? You should be ashamed.
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 02:11 - Nov 2 by jayceee
You were down voted because you have doubled down on GB's accusations.
" trumpian, or anti-semitic, or broad conspriracy nonsense, i don't know how we tell you apart. but its all just one and the same."
You're literally saying, that if I believe lobbyists or political donors have any influence on policy (crazy thought, right?) then I am antisemitic. Tell me how that is not what you are implying?
Are you really unable to see how ridiculous and dishonest, let alone insulting that is?
I think you and GB have been tag teaming accusations of antisemitism for so long, that you are not even aware that you are doing it any more - and yes, I believe you were also were guilty of that in the Corbyn years too.
With the greatest respect, you keep mentioning “the Corbyn years”.
Would this be the same Jeremy Corbyn who led the Labour Party when it became the first political party since the BNP to be investigated by the EHRC and after a thorough investigation were found guilty of racial discrimination against its Jewish members? The same Jeremy Corbyn who Keir Starmer kicked out of the Labour Party for his comments after the EHRC published their report?
If you are in team Corbyn and think that Starmer is “ the most dishonest prick that's ever been” I would suggest that your views on mine and Lowhouse’ comments on antisemitism during that shameful period in Labour’s history are disingenuous.
I dint think there is much to add to this thread. I have a Park Run shortly and it’s match day, Enjoy the game.
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 23:13 - Nov 1 by lowhouseblue
a complete set of down arrows from the amalgamated union of conspiracy theorists. i feel honoured.
You shouldn't - You've simply stepped in a very large farmer's pat by blindly coming to the aid of someone who is upsetting a number of people by insinuation.
TLDR: You might not be on the side of 'lesser evil' as you think
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 00:09 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue
so you think anti-semitism is a conspiracy promoted by israel?
we could do this all night - let's just move over to the 'white stout' thread (which we can all agree is shocking).
I think the whole point of this thread is that people are using antisemitism as a weapon, not that it is a conspiracy theory. You're really trying to spin this hard into a gotcha trap for people when the issue is clear - people don't like barbaric actions that get civilians killed.
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 08:11 - Nov 2 by GlasgowBlue
With the greatest respect, you keep mentioning “the Corbyn years”.
Would this be the same Jeremy Corbyn who led the Labour Party when it became the first political party since the BNP to be investigated by the EHRC and after a thorough investigation were found guilty of racial discrimination against its Jewish members? The same Jeremy Corbyn who Keir Starmer kicked out of the Labour Party for his comments after the EHRC published their report?
If you are in team Corbyn and think that Starmer is “ the most dishonest prick that's ever been” I would suggest that your views on mine and Lowhouse’ comments on antisemitism during that shameful period in Labour’s history are disingenuous.
I dint think there is much to add to this thread. I have a Park Run shortly and it’s match day, Enjoy the game.
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Thanks - that's a perfect example of the weaponisation of antisemitism, and this is the right thread for discussing that. It's so effective that even to question it at the time, was deemed antisemitic and obviously what you're trying to imply again.
Anyone honest now knows it was a scam. There are dozens of reports, books and analyses that show that. But you know this.
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 08:21 - Nov 2 by wkj
I think the whole point of this thread is that people are using antisemitism as a weapon, not that it is a conspiracy theory. You're really trying to spin this hard into a gotcha trap for people when the issue is clear - people don't like barbaric actions that get civilians killed.
the claim of "antisemitism being used as a weapon" is indeed a standard conspiracy theory used by people to deny anti-semitism. you believe that when people call out anti-semitism they are doing it in a coordinated way for some reason unrelated to anti-semitism.
but if you bother to read the thread what i claimed was conspiracy nonsense was: "Starmer has been captured - big f'ing deal. Tell me a leader who has not.... And by captured, I mean by his donors, backers, sponsors, the industrial military complex, Israeli lobbies, big money, the establishment"
that is purest conspiracy wibble.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 09:52 - Nov 2 with 1247 views
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 09:29 - Nov 2 by jayceee
Thanks - that's a perfect example of the weaponisation of antisemitism, and this is the right thread for discussing that. It's so effective that even to question it at the time, was deemed antisemitic and obviously what you're trying to imply again.
Anyone honest now knows it was a scam. There are dozens of reports, books and analyses that show that. But you know this.
i know it's practically halloween but the whole corbyn guff crawling out of its crypt again is a bit depressing. the whole 'weaponisation of anti-semitism' is like former posters walking the land of the living once more.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 09:55 - Nov 2 with 1226 views
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 09:42 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue
the claim of "antisemitism being used as a weapon" is indeed a standard conspiracy theory used by people to deny anti-semitism. you believe that when people call out anti-semitism they are doing it in a coordinated way for some reason unrelated to anti-semitism.
but if you bother to read the thread what i claimed was conspiracy nonsense was: "Starmer has been captured - big f'ing deal. Tell me a leader who has not.... And by captured, I mean by his donors, backers, sponsors, the industrial military complex, Israeli lobbies, big money, the establishment"
that is purest conspiracy wibble.
"the claim of "antisemitism being used as a weapon" is indeed a standard conspiracy theory used by people to deny anti-semitism. you believe that when people call out anti-semitism they are doing it in a coordinated way for some reason unrelated to anti-semitism."
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 09:42 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue
the claim of "antisemitism being used as a weapon" is indeed a standard conspiracy theory used by people to deny anti-semitism. you believe that when people call out anti-semitism they are doing it in a coordinated way for some reason unrelated to anti-semitism.
but if you bother to read the thread what i claimed was conspiracy nonsense was: "Starmer has been captured - big f'ing deal. Tell me a leader who has not.... And by captured, I mean by his donors, backers, sponsors, the industrial military complex, Israeli lobbies, big money, the establishment"
that is purest conspiracy wibble.
It is not a conspiracy theory.
It might, in some circumstances, be an allegation that is driven by anti semitic views. But it is also, in many circumstances, one which is simply a fair criticism.
If you want to police fair criticism by accusing those who raise it of anti semitism, you are rather proviing the point.
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Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 09:58 - Nov 2 with 1208 views
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 09:42 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue
the claim of "antisemitism being used as a weapon" is indeed a standard conspiracy theory used by people to deny anti-semitism. you believe that when people call out anti-semitism they are doing it in a coordinated way for some reason unrelated to anti-semitism.
but if you bother to read the thread what i claimed was conspiracy nonsense was: "Starmer has been captured - big f'ing deal. Tell me a leader who has not.... And by captured, I mean by his donors, backers, sponsors, the industrial military complex, Israeli lobbies, big money, the establishment"
that is purest conspiracy wibble.
So you dont believe antisemitism can ever be or as ever been weaponised?
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Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 10:28 - Nov 2 with 1097 views
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 09:42 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue
the claim of "antisemitism being used as a weapon" is indeed a standard conspiracy theory used by people to deny anti-semitism. you believe that when people call out anti-semitism they are doing it in a coordinated way for some reason unrelated to anti-semitism.
but if you bother to read the thread what i claimed was conspiracy nonsense was: "Starmer has been captured - big f'ing deal. Tell me a leader who has not.... And by captured, I mean by his donors, backers, sponsors, the industrial military complex, Israeli lobbies, big money, the establishment"
that is purest conspiracy wibble.
This is kind of how online debate works by those who do not want to debate but rather just get to shout very loudly.
"the claim of "antisemitism being used as a weapon" is indeed a standard conspiracy theory used by people to deny anti-semitism"
I have no doubt that this can, and is, something that occurs - but I strongly reject that it is the case with many of the TWTD users who have had to endure claims of "I know your game" over the years.
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 10:28 - Nov 2 by wkj
This is kind of how online debate works by those who do not want to debate but rather just get to shout very loudly.
"the claim of "antisemitism being used as a weapon" is indeed a standard conspiracy theory used by people to deny anti-semitism"
I have no doubt that this can, and is, something that occurs - but I strongly reject that it is the case with many of the TWTD users who have had to endure claims of "I know your game" over the years.
Oh dear, this thread won’t last much longer as two certain posters are being somewhat shown up so within the next few posts it will either be reported or deliberately sabotaged so that it gets pulled to hide their blushes.
It’s very clear at least 1 poster is trying to debate in good faith and with civility, let’s hope that the respondents show the same respect
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Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 11:16 - Nov 2 with 967 views
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 09:56 - Nov 2 by redrickstuhaart
It is not a conspiracy theory.
It might, in some circumstances, be an allegation that is driven by anti semitic views. But it is also, in many circumstances, one which is simply a fair criticism.
If you want to police fair criticism by accusing those who raise it of anti semitism, you are rather proviing the point.
the claim of "antisemitism being used as a weapon" is a standard conspiracy theory. it is often accompanied by guff about the 'israeli lobby' or 'big money' or 'the establishment' or forces bringing down poor jeremy. just because it's a conspiracy theory you agree with doesn't mean it's not a conspiracy theory.
to be clear - it is perfectly possible to criticise the israeli state, its policies and its actions without being anti-semitic in the slightest. the vast majority of critics of israel's current actions are not anti-semitic at all. how could any sane person not be critical of the current israeli government? but some critics are undoubtedly motivated by anti-semitism, and calling out anti-semitism when it does occur isn't part of any plot (other than a plot to oppose anti-semitism). imagining plots is unhealthy and just acts to besmirch the honesty of those who disagree with you.
any way, we've done this many times and having to deal again with the corbyn 'weaponisation' nonsense it just depressing. none of us has anything new to say. i will leave you all to it.
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And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 11:18 - Nov 2 with 956 views
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 11:16 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue
the claim of "antisemitism being used as a weapon" is a standard conspiracy theory. it is often accompanied by guff about the 'israeli lobby' or 'big money' or 'the establishment' or forces bringing down poor jeremy. just because it's a conspiracy theory you agree with doesn't mean it's not a conspiracy theory.
to be clear - it is perfectly possible to criticise the israeli state, its policies and its actions without being anti-semitic in the slightest. the vast majority of critics of israel's current actions are not anti-semitic at all. how could any sane person not be critical of the current israeli government? but some critics are undoubtedly motivated by anti-semitism, and calling out anti-semitism when it does occur isn't part of any plot (other than a plot to oppose anti-semitism). imagining plots is unhealthy and just acts to besmirch the honesty of those who disagree with you.
any way, we've done this many times and having to deal again with the corbyn 'weaponisation' nonsense it just depressing. none of us has anything new to say. i will leave you all to it.
[Post edited 2 Nov 2024 11:17]
And yet every time people make criticisms, people are desperate to insinuate anti semitism. Why is that?
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Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 11:21 - Nov 2 with 939 views
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 11:16 - Nov 2 by lowhouseblue
the claim of "antisemitism being used as a weapon" is a standard conspiracy theory. it is often accompanied by guff about the 'israeli lobby' or 'big money' or 'the establishment' or forces bringing down poor jeremy. just because it's a conspiracy theory you agree with doesn't mean it's not a conspiracy theory.
to be clear - it is perfectly possible to criticise the israeli state, its policies and its actions without being anti-semitic in the slightest. the vast majority of critics of israel's current actions are not anti-semitic at all. how could any sane person not be critical of the current israeli government? but some critics are undoubtedly motivated by anti-semitism, and calling out anti-semitism when it does occur isn't part of any plot (other than a plot to oppose anti-semitism). imagining plots is unhealthy and just acts to besmirch the honesty of those who disagree with you.
any way, we've done this many times and having to deal again with the corbyn 'weaponisation' nonsense it just depressing. none of us has anything new to say. i will leave you all to it.
[Post edited 2 Nov 2024 11:17]
So antisemitism can never be and as never been weaponised and the state of Norway is indeed antisemitic?
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Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 11:23 - Nov 2 with 933 views
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 10:28 - Nov 2 by wkj
This is kind of how online debate works by those who do not want to debate but rather just get to shout very loudly.
"the claim of "antisemitism being used as a weapon" is indeed a standard conspiracy theory used by people to deny anti-semitism"
I have no doubt that this can, and is, something that occurs - but I strongly reject that it is the case with many of the TWTD users who have had to endure claims of "I know your game" over the years.
I guess the key difference here is that under Corbyn there was ACTUAL anti-semitism as called out by anti-racism groups like hope not hate, and the findings of ECHR. In the accusations of Netanyahu it’s mostly made up to deflect from his own government’s actions.
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Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 11:35 - Nov 2 with 896 views
Criticism of Israel is anti semitism, apparently. on 11:23 - Nov 2 by SuperKieranMcKenna
I guess the key difference here is that under Corbyn there was ACTUAL anti-semitism as called out by anti-racism groups like hope not hate, and the findings of ECHR. In the accusations of Netanyahu it’s mostly made up to deflect from his own government’s actions.
Imagine downplaying the lived experience of a victim of racism like that. Shame on you !! I think I'm getting the hang of it now.
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