| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish 10:03 - Nov 4 with 9820 views | J2BLUE |
For us sad cases who enjoy this stuff, the chat room will be open tomorrow night.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/chatroom/
It has been a good laugh the last couple of elections watching the results come in. If anyone would like to join please do. |  |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:35 - Nov 6 with 731 views | reusersfreekicks |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:25 - Nov 6 by Europablue |
You are right about America being very different to the UK.
I am not convinced that America would not vote for a women. If they just tried to put up a charismatic, popular and competent woman with a vision for America which isn't change by keeping continuity, then there might be a chance for a woman to win. People said that America would never vote for a black man, but it just has to be the right person.
In the UK we seem to be totally ignorant of many basic things and just focus on Trump as a hate figure. It makes a lot of sense why many people dislike him and would not vote for him, but the reaction to him is just unhinged and not based in reality.
The media bias against Trump is incredible, the way they fact check him, but don't ever scrutinize his opponents is like a football team having the referee on their side.
The Democrats have crossed a lot of lines that they shouldn't believing that the ends justify the means. Their stated intention was to pin something on Trump, and they concocted a spurious charge in a partisan jurisdiction to secure the moniker of "convicted felon". Look into that charge, it is against all precedents to build that up to a felony. I have no doubt that you could pin charges on almost all former presidents if there was a will and the statute of limitations was not over. In normal society you would expect each of Trump, Biden, and both Clintons to be in jail, but it is so incredibly toxic to go after the opposition to pin them on criminal charges.
It is important to respect the balances in the system and not to undermine precedents like having 9 justices on the supreme court. Biden was talking about packing the court. Trump did not pack the court, he was just fortunate with the timing.
You are absolutely right about Americans being generally very insular. From their perspective why are they sending so much money to Ukraine? There is a lot of poverty even in America.
I have a lot of concerns about
The only thing you have to understand about the US is that the system is set up to constrain the powers of each branch and the executive (the President) cannot change the Constitution. Trump has a strong mandate for 4 years, but there are not going to be any amendments to the Constitution until there is a consensus in society on a particular issue.
The positive and negative effect the US President can have is with foreign policy, and generally domestic policy is all about setting the direction of travel and maybe having a cultural legacy that keeps the country moving in your direction. Most laws are reversible, some like allowing gay marriage are basically impossible to reverse. All executive orders can be reversed.
Trump has set a conciliatory tone in his speech, let's hope that continues and he really wants to be President for all people.
Let's hope that he has a good plan for Ukraine and that he can end the war in a way that protects Europe and Ukraine from further Russian aggression. |
Usual one sided nonsense especially re his conviction
But hey MAGA with a rapist, misogynist, racist, liar who is incapable of speaking the truth.
Who is psychologically unbalanced and a narcissist of te highest orde |  | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:38 - Nov 6 with 703 views | Sarge |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:28 - Nov 6 by Europablue |
I don't know what world you have been living in and who you interact with, but the vast majority of people are not wedded to a particular party, they just choose the candidate they think is best. If you are a conservative person you would expect to have a bias towards conservative candidates.
If it were Tulsi Gabbard up against Trump she would have performed much better than Harris. Harris only had appeal on her side, you need a candidate who appeals to the swing states. |
I said voting for Trump not voting Republican. The Trump cult would vote for him no matter what colour he wore. This was not an election based on party or policy, but on cults of personality and conspiracy theories. |  | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:39 - Nov 6 with 690 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:32 - Nov 6 by lowhouseblue |
if you don't engage with the priorities of the people that you need to vote for you, you lose. but there's also something deeper than that. the post war political progressive / liberal consensus was a social contract - everyone signed up to it because the gains form growth were shared. that has broken down and the blue collar working class have missed out on prosperity for 2 generations. failing to recognise that, and the democrats (or even labour) just focusing on the elite / middle / graduate class (on the assumption that there are enough of them to cobble together a majority), has brought us to where we are. we haven't given the deplorables / the garbage / the 'farage voting racists' enough for them to support the status quo - both economically and culturally. |
.....aren't we all still waiting for that trickle down!
Watching all those celebrity endorsements is so old hat and feeds into what you say.
.....also, if only we'd been offered a radical, redistributive, socialist alternative in recent years! |  |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:42 - Nov 6 with 661 views | Europablue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:26 - Nov 6 by DJR |
I based what I said on an article in today's Guardian.
"The results so far puts the Republican party in pole position in the confirmation process for senior officials appointed by the new incoming administration, and for potential new justices to the US supreme court if and when vacancies open up.
At least two veteran conservative justices, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, are expected to retire in the next few years, while speculation has surrounded the health and intentions of a third, Sonia Sotomayor, one of the court’s three liberal justices." |
Replacing the previous Republican picks is just maintaining the status quo.
It is the correct functioning of the system if Trump appoints judges to vacancies, the same would be true if Harris would have won.
You can't control the decisions the judges make, they often go against the wishes of the President, and it is essential that they do that.
The way I see it is that the Republicans and Democrats essentially differ in that the Republicans seek to appoint Constitutionalists whereas the Democrats want to appoint Justices who will interpret the Constitution.
It might be a simplistic view, but I believe in sticking to the meaning and scope of the word in the document, and amending it when there is political consensus. Roe vs Wade always seemed like a fudge to me and went against the spirit of the system. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:43 - Nov 6 with 657 views | lowhouseblue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:33 - Nov 6 by Europablue |
I personally think a Trump presidency will ultimately better than a Harris victory would have been. I really think a dangerous line was crossed when the Democrats set out to prosecute Trump for whatever they could get him for. I'm not totally confident in Trump's character, but I think because of his ego, he will want to be seen as the bigger man who helps to heal the country.
Because Trump won, I hope that I am right, but like I said last night, if Harris would have won I would have been very happy to be proven wrong. In the end we all just want the best for everyone. |
i have no faith in trump being the bigger person, but i agree that going down the route of multiple prosecutions was a huge mistake. it brought him back into the lime light, made him the victim of political persecution by the swamp, and completely reignited his political cause. it was a disastrous mistake. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:44 - Nov 6 with 635 views | NthQldITFC |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:23 - Nov 6 by Europablue |
There will be no appointments of justices to the Supreme Court, that would make him illegitimate in my eyes. It was what Biden was threatening to do and another big reason why he wasn't fit to be President.
It would be a real power move by Trump to table an amendment to the Constitution to fix the number of justices of the Supreme court to 9. It would also be very presidential and calm the nation down. |
I think that organisation already has a 6-3 Republican bias already, does it not. If any of them fall off their perch in the next four years, I suspect Trump might inject another Republican, no? |  |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:45 - Nov 6 with 629 views | Europablue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:38 - Nov 6 by Sarge |
I said voting for Trump not voting Republican. The Trump cult would vote for him no matter what colour he wore. This was not an election based on party or policy, but on cults of personality and conspiracy theories. |
I disagree. I think many of the people who voted for Trump were available to a better Democratic candidate. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:48 - Nov 6 with 590 views | lowhouseblue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:39 - Nov 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
.....aren't we all still waiting for that trickle down!
Watching all those celebrity endorsements is so old hat and feeds into what you say.
.....also, if only we'd been offered a radical, redistributive, socialist alternative in recent years! |
ahh the hard left's approach to engaging "with the priorities of the people that you need to vote for you" - tell them they need socialism. rather than listening to what they say. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:49 - Nov 6 with 568 views | Europablue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:44 - Nov 6 by NthQldITFC |
I think that organisation already has a 6-3 Republican bias already, does it not. If any of them fall off their perch in the next four years, I suspect Trump might inject another Republican, no? |
Yes, but that is not a cause for concern. It is the proper functioning of the system.
I assumed that the original intention was that Trump will pack the court. The number needs to be set at 9, it is a really dangerous situation for it to be technically possible to pack the courts. Anyone suggesting doing that is not fit for office. If Trump did it I would like to see him impeached. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:57 - Nov 6 with 531 views | DJR |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:49 - Nov 6 by Europablue |
Yes, but that is not a cause for concern. It is the proper functioning of the system.
I assumed that the original intention was that Trump will pack the court. The number needs to be set at 9, it is a really dangerous situation for it to be technically possible to pack the courts. Anyone suggesting doing that is not fit for office. If Trump did it I would like to see him impeached. |
If the two Republican judges retire early, and the liberal judge stands down for health reasons, there could be an entrenched majority for many years to come.
As it is, political judges (of whatever persuasion) demonstrate to me a democratic system which is corrupt, and nothing like the judicial system in our country. |  | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 10:48 - Nov 6 with 463 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:48 - Nov 6 by lowhouseblue |
ahh the hard left's approach to engaging "with the priorities of the people that you need to vote for you" - tell them they need socialism. rather than listening to what they say. |
Sounds to me like they want a redistribution of wealth! For a moment back there I thought you agreed. | |
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