| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish 10:03 - Nov 4 with 9823 views | J2BLUE |
For us sad cases who enjoy this stuff, the chat room will be open tomorrow night.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/chatroom/
It has been a good laugh the last couple of elections watching the results come in. If anyone would like to join please do. |  |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:05 - Nov 6 with 1249 views | Ryorry |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 06:57 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Have people not lraerned from the last time he was in? He’s Teflon. |
His actual biological braincells aren't though, and his performances towards the end of his campaign show a clear, relatively rapid slide downwards. |  |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:10 - Nov 6 with 1213 views | GlasgowBlue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 07:08 - Nov 6 by Reus30 |
Sad times.
Bad for Ukraine, bad for women. How tf can any woman look at themselves in the mirror and vote for a sexual predator who wants to rid them of the right to their choice?
Shame on that fella who had a chance to end this all a few months back but couldn't shoot an oversized orange. |
No matter how we feel about the result, your last sentence is appalling. |  |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:14 - Nov 6 with 1184 views | Ryorry |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:10 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
No matter how we feel about the result, your last sentence is appalling. |
Also rather stupid. The last thing democracy needs is T.rump as martyr & elevation to sainthood by his redneck rabble supporters. [Post edited 6 Nov 2024 8:14]
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:16 - Nov 6 with 1176 views | DJR |
The Republicans have won back control of the Senate, and will presumably control the House, given they controlled it before the election.
Along with Trump, this will give the Republicans carte blanche to do what they want, including the appointment of Justices to the Supreme Court. [Post edited 6 Nov 2024 8:17]
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:21 - Nov 6 with 1145 views | DJR |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 07:13 - Nov 6 by tractordownsouth |
Horrendous. I don’t think the coverage here has fully appreciated how Trump’s campaign has been far more extreme even than in 2016/20, so the result is extremely worrying. Especially for Ukraine.
It’s clearly a very difficult year for incumbents everywhere but the Democrats should have been looking for a successor at the start of Biden’s term, rather than toying with the idea of running him until three months before election day. |
Agreed. They ought to have started the process at least year ago, with a full range of candidates.
Had they done so, I don't think they would have ended up with Harris (who seems far too wooden) and the candidate would have been able to develop polices and distance themselves from the Biden regime. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:22 - Nov 6 with 1137 views | Sarge |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:04 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
I went against the polls and what my head was telling me and instead I made an emotional prediction because I wanted Trump to lose.
I’ll put my hands up and admit to calling this wrong.
But it’s an American election and I’m not going to be calling the American electorate stupid like some on here. Lessons need to be learned by the Democrats. Those calling the electorate stupid haven’t learned the lessons of Brexit, Trump’s first win, the UK in 2019 and other populariist movements around the world that are gaining traction. People in the progressive side if politics need to engage and understand why many in their natural base are voting for right wing politicians. [Post edited 6 Nov 2024 12:29]
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I don’t know what you’ve seen over the last 4/8 years that makes you think people voting for Trump can be reasoned with in any way whatsoever. It’s called wilful ignorance, you can listen, try to understand and debate as much as you like, they don’t engage in it. Everyone else is a liar and everything is a conspiracy, cutting off your nose to spite some phantom face is always the way. Brexit showed that, Trump has shown that. |  | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:25 - Nov 6 with 1111 views | Europablue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 07:35 - Nov 6 by Churchman |
I don’t think Harris did too much wrong. She’s everything Trump isn’t which is a good thing. But there’s a problem. She’s a woman and in many parts of America that bars her from the top job. It’s a strange country, almost backwards in some areas, with its attitudes.
The US is countries within countries really and because of fairly common language I think we at times fail to appreciate just how foreign it is. It is also very insular from their news to many people’s daily lives.
I appreciate my perception is very limited and subjective, having seen relatively little of such a huge country on my travels. I’d appreciate the views of those who know it properly. |
You are right about America being very different to the UK.
I am not convinced that America would not vote for a women. If they just tried to put up a charismatic, popular and competent woman with a vision for America which isn't change by keeping continuity, then there might be a chance for a woman to win. People said that America would never vote for a black man, but it just has to be the right person.
In the UK we seem to be totally ignorant of many basic things and just focus on Trump as a hate figure. It makes a lot of sense why many people dislike him and would not vote for him, but the reaction to him is just unhinged and not based in reality.
The media bias against Trump is incredible, the way they fact check him, but don't ever scrutinize his opponents is like a football team having the referee on their side.
The Democrats have crossed a lot of lines that they shouldn't believing that the ends justify the means. Their stated intention was to pin something on Trump, and they concocted a spurious charge in a partisan jurisdiction to secure the moniker of "convicted felon". Look into that charge, it is against all precedents to build that up to a felony. I have no doubt that you could pin charges on almost all former presidents if there was a will and the statute of limitations was not over. In normal society you would expect each of Trump, Biden, and both Clintons to be in jail, but it is so incredibly toxic to go after the opposition to pin them on criminal charges.
It is important to respect the balances in the system and not to undermine precedents like having 9 justices on the supreme court. Biden was talking about packing the court. Trump did not pack the court, he was just fortunate with the timing.
You are absolutely right about Americans being generally very insular. From their perspective why are they sending so much money to Ukraine? There is a lot of poverty even in America.
I have a lot of concerns about
The only thing you have to understand about the US is that the system is set up to constrain the powers of each branch and the executive (the President) cannot change the Constitution. Trump has a strong mandate for 4 years, but there are not going to be any amendments to the Constitution until there is a consensus in society on a particular issue.
The positive and negative effect the US President can have is with foreign policy, and generally domestic policy is all about setting the direction of travel and maybe having a cultural legacy that keeps the country moving in your direction. Most laws are reversible, some like allowing gay marriage are basically impossible to reverse. All executive orders can be reversed.
Trump has set a conciliatory tone in his speech, let's hope that continues and he really wants to be President for all people.
Let's hope that he has a good plan for Ukraine and that he can end the war in a way that protects Europe and Ukraine from further Russian aggression. | | | |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:25 - Nov 6 with 1109 views | Zapers |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 07:35 - Nov 6 by DinDjarin |
Anyone who thought Harris had any chance of winning obviously was not paying attention.
At no point was she close and the polls and news networks are all as crooked as Joe.
300+ was always happening.
As was the house and the senate. [Post edited 6 Nov 2024 7:36]
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I have a friend here in Bangkok, his wife was covering the election in Washington for one of the biggest news outlets. She is the senior in Asia. Over 10 days ago she told her husband that Trump would walk it. Not because she necessarily wanted him, it was just too obvious to her that this would be the outcome. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:26 - Nov 6 with 1098 views | Europablue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 07:31 - Nov 6 by iamatractorboy |
Oh I agree. I'm just feeling utterly deflated this morning at the state of the human race. Hyperbolic I know but things like this get to me. He is just such a disgusting individual. |
Just wait and see, it won't be as bad as you think it will be. You will never have to go through another Trump election campaign and the worst it brings out in all of his opponents.
Take comfort in knowing that you have no influence and you never had any influence on the outcome and focus on your family and community where you can make a positive impact. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:30 - Nov 6 with 1078 views | iamatractorboy |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:26 - Nov 6 by Europablue |
Just wait and see, it won't be as bad as you think it will be. You will never have to go through another Trump election campaign and the worst it brings out in all of his opponents.
Take comfort in knowing that you have no influence and you never had any influence on the outcome and focus on your family and community where you can make a positive impact. |
I appreciate what you say in your second part there, thanks.
I just so sorry and worried for a large number of people in the US and beyond. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:32 - Nov 6 with 1056 views | Ryorry |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:22 - Nov 6 by Sarge |
I don’t know what you’ve seen over the last 4/8 years that makes you think people voting for Trump can be reasoned with in any way whatsoever. It’s called wilful ignorance, you can listen, try to understand and debate as much as you like, they don’t engage in it. Everyone else is a liar and everything is a conspiracy, cutting off your nose to spite some phantom face is always the way. Brexit showed that, Trump has shown that. |
C4'scoverage last night was excellent, including former PM of Australia as guest.
The concensus was that
1. The US economy did relatively well over the past 4 years, but the Dems a) didn't get that message across well enough and b) were undermined in every which way by the republicans campaign of lies & disinformation.
2. Harris should have at least offered some pushback comment at Netanyahu & his excesses.
The programme was also notable for Michael Gove actually showing some sense! | |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:32 - Nov 6 with 1056 views | DJR |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:22 - Nov 6 by Sarge |
I don’t know what you’ve seen over the last 4/8 years that makes you think people voting for Trump can be reasoned with in any way whatsoever. It’s called wilful ignorance, you can listen, try to understand and debate as much as you like, they don’t engage in it. Everyone else is a liar and everything is a conspiracy, cutting off your nose to spite some phantom face is always the way. Brexit showed that, Trump has shown that. |
I think that is over-simplistic.
I have two cousins in the States who will have voted for Trump, and they are both well educated.
I remember speaking to one of them back in 2017, and he explained to me that, being a Republican, it was very difficult for him to vote anything else, despite his reservations. And my other cousin's Christmas card last year criticised the state of the country under Biden.
It must also not be forgotten that the living standards of many in the States have barely risen since the 70s, meaning there are an awful lot of people who think the current system doesn't work for them, something that Trump clearly taps into.
And at the end of the day, "it's the economy, stupid" that appears to have won the day, with a huge dollop of concerns about immigration thrown in. [Post edited 6 Nov 2024 8:39]
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:36 - Nov 6 with 1031 views | giant_stow |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:26 - Nov 6 by Europablue |
Just wait and see, it won't be as bad as you think it will be. You will never have to go through another Trump election campaign and the worst it brings out in all of his opponents.
Take comfort in knowing that you have no influence and you never had any influence on the outcome and focus on your family and community where you can make a positive impact. |
Actually, some wise words at the end there. |  |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:37 - Nov 6 with 1025 views | DJR |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:32 - Nov 6 by Ryorry |
C4'scoverage last night was excellent, including former PM of Australia as guest.
The concensus was that
1. The US economy did relatively well over the past 4 years, but the Dems a) didn't get that message across well enough and b) were undermined in every which way by the republicans campaign of lies & disinformation.
2. Harris should have at least offered some pushback comment at Netanyahu & his excesses.
The programme was also notable for Michael Gove actually showing some sense! |
The US economy may have done well, but a lot of that will be down to multi-billion tech companies and the like, very little of whose wealth will trickle down to places like Ohio. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:39 - Nov 6 with 1005 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:21 - Nov 6 by DJR |
Agreed. They ought to have started the process at least year ago, with a full range of candidates.
Had they done so, I don't think they would have ended up with Harris (who seems far too wooden) and the candidate would have been able to develop polices and distance themselves from the Biden regime. |
Only The Rock could have saved us! |  |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:48 - Nov 6 with 947 views | DJR |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:32 - Nov 6 by Ryorry |
C4'scoverage last night was excellent, including former PM of Australia as guest.
The concensus was that
1. The US economy did relatively well over the past 4 years, but the Dems a) didn't get that message across well enough and b) were undermined in every which way by the republicans campaign of lies & disinformation.
2. Harris should have at least offered some pushback comment at Netanyahu & his excesses.
The programme was also notable for Michael Gove actually showing some sense! |
Whilst it wouldn't have made any difference, Arab Americans not voting for Harris ought to have been careful for what they wished for.
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:49 - Nov 6 with 917 views | Europablue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 07:38 - Nov 6 by StokieBlue |
It's hard to think of a larger "Turkeys voting for Christmas" event in recent times.
- Hispanics have voted for him despite him wanting to deport large numbers of them.
- Women have voted for him despite him supporting the imposition of laws which mean they will have less body autonomy.
- Black people have voted for him despite him clearly being close to pro-white groups.
- Christians have voted for him based on his morals which don't seem to be aligned to theirs (or anyone else's at all).
- Muslims have voted for him despite him clearly being more likely to back Netanyahu on the basis of some strange protest vote because the current government hasn't supported Gaza enough.
It all seems to be based on the economy of which there is very little evidence he is any better than anyone else. During his last term he inherited a decent economy and in the private sector he has many failed ventures. Most economists think his plans to go protectionist will cost the US money rather than make it.
It's all baffling to me, the level of cognitive dissonance required to vote for Trump if your one of the demographics above is quite something. It's actually impressive that he's managed to appeal to all these groups whilst actually being pretty much against their interests.
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You are a very ignorant person. All of those people have the right to think for themselves they don't have to vote along racial lines or anything. If you want to understand why you have to open your mind a little.
Hispanics can also be legal immigrants. Legal immigrants hate illegal immigration. They went though a lot to be legitimate and don't like people skipping the line and taking away resources. Don't forget many of the countries legal immigrants come from are very conservative.
Women also give birth to babies and believe life is precious. The most fervent anti-abortion activists are women. Fact check, Trump has not supported the imposition of abortion laws. His stance has always been clear, he believes in the State's right to choose and not be dictated by the federal government
Black people voted for him because black people also care about the economy and prices and other cultural stuff too. Also pro-white is not a bad thing, are you anti-white? Most black people are pro-white or at least neutral just like normal white people like black people in general.
Christians are choosing the lesser of two evils and even if he is immoral, he still supports many issues they do, or at least believes in self-determination for States, leaving them to decide for themselves.
Muslims voting for Trump seems very strange. Trump is loved in Israel, but then again do we define Muslims by their hatred of Jews?
You are the one who needs to adjust the way you look at things. There are logical answers if you are willing to accept them. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:01 - Nov 6 with 863 views | jimmyvet |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 07:38 - Nov 6 by StokieBlue |
It's hard to think of a larger "Turkeys voting for Christmas" event in recent times.
- Hispanics have voted for him despite him wanting to deport large numbers of them.
- Women have voted for him despite him supporting the imposition of laws which mean they will have less body autonomy.
- Black people have voted for him despite him clearly being close to pro-white groups.
- Christians have voted for him based on his morals which don't seem to be aligned to theirs (or anyone else's at all).
- Muslims have voted for him despite him clearly being more likely to back Netanyahu on the basis of some strange protest vote because the current government hasn't supported Gaza enough.
It all seems to be based on the economy of which there is very little evidence he is any better than anyone else. During his last term he inherited a decent economy and in the private sector he has many failed ventures. Most economists think his plans to go protectionist will cost the US money rather than make it.
It's all baffling to me, the level of cognitive dissonance required to vote for Trump if your one of the demographics above is quite something. It's actually impressive that he's managed to appeal to all these groups whilst actually being pretty much against their interests.
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That really is one of the most arrogant, condescending posts I have ever read. You really ought to read what you have written and perhaps start again.
You clearly are totally out of touch with all the groups you believe are stupid and plebs and need to be lectured at, and you know all the answers.Imagine ever giving the vote in democracies to simple plebs who are clearly thick and stupid unlike like you who are clearly so ‘well read’. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:18 - Nov 6 with 802 views | Europablue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:04 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
I went against the polls and what my head was telling me and instead I made an emotional prediction because I wanted Trump to lose.
I’ll put my hands up and admit to calling this wrong.
But it’s an American election and I’m not going to be calling the American electorate stupid like some on here. Lessons need to be learned by the Democrats. Those calling the electorate stupid haven’t learned the lessons of Brexit, Trump’s first win, the UK in 2019 and other populariist movements around the world that are gaining traction. People in the progressive side if politics need to engage and understand why many in their natural base are voting for right wing politicians. [Post edited 6 Nov 2024 12:29]
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This is the best comment. Telling the electorate they are bad for not voting for you is not a winning ticket. These parties should be looking at why they left working class people behind by not addressing working class issues. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:23 - Nov 6 with 776 views | Europablue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:16 - Nov 6 by DJR |
The Republicans have won back control of the Senate, and will presumably control the House, given they controlled it before the election.
Along with Trump, this will give the Republicans carte blanche to do what they want, including the appointment of Justices to the Supreme Court. [Post edited 6 Nov 2024 8:17]
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There will be no appointments of justices to the Supreme Court, that would make him illegitimate in my eyes. It was what Biden was threatening to do and another big reason why he wasn't fit to be President.
It would be a real power move by Trump to table an amendment to the Constitution to fix the number of justices of the Supreme court to 9. It would also be very presidential and calm the nation down. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:26 - Nov 6 with 761 views | DJR |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:23 - Nov 6 by Europablue |
There will be no appointments of justices to the Supreme Court, that would make him illegitimate in my eyes. It was what Biden was threatening to do and another big reason why he wasn't fit to be President.
It would be a real power move by Trump to table an amendment to the Constitution to fix the number of justices of the Supreme court to 9. It would also be very presidential and calm the nation down. |
I based what I said on an article in today's Guardian.
"The results so far puts the Republican party in pole position in the confirmation process for senior officials appointed by the new incoming administration, and for potential new justices to the US supreme court if and when vacancies open up.
At least two veteran conservative justices, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, are expected to retire in the next few years, while speculation has surrounded the health and intentions of a third, Sonia Sotomayor, one of the court’s three liberal justices." | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:28 - Nov 6 with 748 views | Europablue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:22 - Nov 6 by Sarge |
I don’t know what you’ve seen over the last 4/8 years that makes you think people voting for Trump can be reasoned with in any way whatsoever. It’s called wilful ignorance, you can listen, try to understand and debate as much as you like, they don’t engage in it. Everyone else is a liar and everything is a conspiracy, cutting off your nose to spite some phantom face is always the way. Brexit showed that, Trump has shown that. |
I don't know what world you have been living in and who you interact with, but the vast majority of people are not wedded to a particular party, they just choose the candidate they think is best. If you are a conservative person you would expect to have a bias towards conservative candidates.
If it were Tulsi Gabbard up against Trump she would have performed much better than Harris. Harris only had appeal on her side, you need a candidate who appeals to the swing states. | | | |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:32 - Nov 6 with 723 views | lowhouseblue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:04 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue |
I went against the polls and what my head was telling me and instead I made an emotional prediction because I wanted Trump to lose.
I’ll put my hands up and admit to calling this wrong.
But it’s an American election and I’m not going to be calling the American electorate stupid like some on here. Lessons need to be learned by the Democrats. Those calling the electorate stupid haven’t learned the lessons of Brexit, Trump’s first win, the UK in 2019 and other populariist movements around the world that are gaining traction. People in the progressive side if politics need to engage and understand why many in their natural base are voting for right wing politicians. [Post edited 6 Nov 2024 12:29]
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if you don't engage with the priorities of the people that you need to vote for you, you lose. but there's also something deeper than that. the post war political progressive / liberal consensus was a social contract - everyone signed up to it because the gains form growth were shared. that has broken down and the blue collar working class have missed out on prosperity for 2 generations. failing to recognise that, and the democrats (or even labour) just focusing on the elite / middle / graduate class (on the assumption that there are enough of them to cobble together a majority), has brought us to where we are. we haven't given the deplorables / the garbage / the 'farage voting racists' enough for them to support the status quo - both economically and culturally. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 09:33 - Nov 6 with 709 views | Europablue |
| US Election - TWTD Chat Room - Tuesday from 22:00ish on 08:30 - Nov 6 by iamatractorboy |
I appreciate what you say in your second part there, thanks.
I just so sorry and worried for a large number of people in the US and beyond. |
I personally think a Trump presidency will ultimately better than a Harris victory would have been. I really think a dangerous line was crossed when the Democrats set out to prosecute Trump for whatever they could get him for. I'm not totally confident in Trump's character, but I think because of his ego, he will want to be seen as the bigger man who helps to heal the country.
Because Trump won, I hope that I am right, but like I said last night, if Harris would have won I would have been very happy to be proven wrong. In the end we all just want the best for everyone. | | | |
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