| Offside somehow. 21:28 - Nov 29 with 2149 views | SitfcB |
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| Offside somehow. on 21:34 - Nov 29 with 2049 views | DanTheMan |
I'd be livid if that was us. |  |
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| Offside somehow. on 21:35 - Nov 29 with 2039 views | SitfcB |
| Offside somehow. on 21:34 - Nov 29 by DanTheMan |
I'd be livid if that was us. |
It really looked like Archer was off initially anyway! Don’t like those lines. [Post edited 29 Nov 21:38]
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| Offside somehow. on 21:35 - Nov 29 with 2031 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Thankfully from Armstrong attempting to play the ball (which he clearly did).
I thought Archer looked off too but they somehow found a line to show he wasn't! Unlucky for the Saints in the end. |  |
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| Offside somehow. on 21:35 - Nov 29 with 2030 views | gainsboroughblue |
Even so, your original post stands. Brighton have been utter turd this half. [Post edited 29 Nov 21:35]
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| Offside somehow. on 21:38 - Nov 29 with 1925 views | bsw72 |
| Offside somehow. on 21:35 - Nov 29 by SitfcB |
It really looked like Archer was off initially anyway! Don’t like those lines. [Post edited 29 Nov 21:38]
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Those lines just looked wrong. That took over 5 minutes to sort out, utterly farcical. |  | | |
| Offside somehow. on 21:41 - Nov 29 with 1867 views | BloomBlue |
It was so clear and obvious, it took 5 minutes to make a decision.
Shocking incorrect decision.
If that was Man City it's a goal. |  | | |
| Offside somehow. on 21:44 - Nov 29 with 1821 views | EastTownBlue |
| Offside somehow. on 21:38 - Nov 29 by bsw72 |
Those lines just looked wrong. That took over 5 minutes to sort out, utterly farcical. |
I presume their problem was that the ball was hidden. But yes, it took far too long to arrive at that decision. |  | | |
| Interesting VAR scenario and decision on 21:44 - Nov 29 with 1817 views | unstableblue |
I could see how both teams would feel aggrieved if it had gone against them.
Armstrong is offside and moves to flick the ball, but makes no contact, interestingly the keeper doesn’t adjust his body at all to that moment, and so the offside player hasn’t impacted the situation.
But by letter of the law, it’s offside. Good for us I suppose. |  |
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| Offside somehow. on 21:44 - Nov 29 with 1817 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Offside somehow. on 21:41 - Nov 29 by BloomBlue |
It was so clear and obvious, it took 5 minutes to make a decision.
Shocking incorrect decision.
If that was Man City it's a goal. |
The original linesman's call was offside.
Armstrong was clearly off and tried to play the ball (which is ultimately why it was offside).
Archer looked off but VAR took a very long time to establish that he wasn't ... only to then check and show that Armstrong had attempted to play the ball anyway.
The only real issue is with the amount of time VAR took with drawing the lines (which then seemed in an odd place). | |
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| Interesting VAR scenario and decision on 21:48 - Nov 29 with 1776 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Interesting VAR scenario and decision on 21:44 - Nov 29 by unstableblue |
I could see how both teams would feel aggrieved if it had gone against them.
Armstrong is offside and moves to flick the ball, but makes no contact, interestingly the keeper doesn’t adjust his body at all to that moment, and so the offside player hasn’t impacted the situation.
But by letter of the law, it’s offside. Good for us I suppose. |
The keeper reacting is irrelevant.
If an offside player attempts to play the ball (or obstructs the keeper's view) he is offisde. Armstrong clearly did the former. The keeper is then irrelevant. | |
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| Interesting VAR scenario and decision on 21:52 - Nov 29 with 1715 views | BloomBlue |
| Interesting VAR scenario and decision on 21:48 - Nov 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The keeper reacting is irrelevant.
If an offside player attempts to play the ball (or obstructs the keeper's view) he is offisde. Armstrong clearly did the former. The keeper is then irrelevant. |
Weren't City awarded a goal earlier this season when a player stood in front of the GK in an offside position? | | | |
| Offside somehow. on 21:55 - Nov 29 with 1677 views | bsw72 |
| Offside somehow. on 21:44 - Nov 29 by EastTownBlue |
I presume their problem was that the ball was hidden. But yes, it took far too long to arrive at that decision. |
It would take relatively simple code to draw the lines programmatically, yet they still insist on human intervention. The 2nd human element is adding nothing and actually introduces an increased chance of error. The FA’s implementation of VAR is appalling. | | | |
| Offside somehow. on 23:36 - Nov 29 with 1359 views | SWBlue22 |
That's not offside at all as much as I wanted saints to lose tonight that goal should have stood. | | | |
| Offside somehow. on 23:52 - Nov 29 with 1313 views | kizaitfc |
I seem to be in the minority that agrees it was offside.
Armstrong is offside tries to play the ball and because he is there the goalkeeper has to stand his ground as he doesn't know whether Armstrong or Archer are going to play the ball.
Take Armstrong away from that play and the keeper can close down Archer and has a better chance of saving the shot.
You could argue he still would not save it but that doesn't mean Armstrong hasn't affected play | |
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| Offside somehow. on 06:10 - Nov 30 with 1097 views | RIPbobby |
I would guess that they were most debating if it was a 'clear and obvious' error. Looking at what they were doing shows me they could not be certain of when the ball was kicked and where the kickers foot was. I think if they could see that then it would have been offside, but they could not see that so I don't see it as clear and obvious. It's a good guess to say he was offside, but not clear and obvious.
Clear and obvious is the new version of the word intent in the latest version of the rules. |  | | |
| Offside somehow. on 06:42 - Nov 30 with 1056 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Offside somehow. on 21:44 - Nov 29 by EastTownBlue |
I presume their problem was that the ball was hidden. But yes, it took far too long to arrive at that decision. |
But that's why they have 300 cameras...... |  |
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| Offside somehow. on 07:04 - Nov 30 with 1014 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Offside somehow. on 23:52 - Nov 29 by kizaitfc |
I seem to be in the minority that agrees it was offside.
Armstrong is offside tries to play the ball and because he is there the goalkeeper has to stand his ground as he doesn't know whether Armstrong or Archer are going to play the ball.
Take Armstrong away from that play and the keeper can close down Archer and has a better chance of saving the shot.
You could argue he still would not save it but that doesn't mean Armstrong hasn't affected play |
That’s how it was seen by the officials. I can understand it, but it’s obviously arguable. We can’t have 4-5 minutes for a decision though. That’s ridiculous. It obviously wasn’t a clear and obvious error (it wasn’t deemed an error at ll in the end) - farcical implementation of something that in theory could help the game.
Still, it gave Martin a chance to make it all about him again. |  |
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| Offside somehow. on 07:35 - Nov 30 with 948 views | cressi |
Watching the European games this week they use a automated VAR seems to work so much better none of this hanging about 5 minutes plus maybe the way forward. | | | |
| Offside somehow. on 08:57 - Nov 30 with 760 views | Wickets |
| Offside somehow. on 21:35 - Nov 29 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Thankfully from Armstrong attempting to play the ball (which he clearly did).
I thought Archer looked off too but they somehow found a line to show he wasn't! Unlucky for the Saints in the end. |
That was what I thought and he clearly did try to play the ball but the official explanation was that he was effecting the keepers view . |  | | |
| Offside somehow. on 10:01 - Nov 30 with 640 views | kizaitfc |
| Offside somehow. on 07:04 - Nov 30 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s how it was seen by the officials. I can understand it, but it’s obviously arguable. We can’t have 4-5 minutes for a decision though. That’s ridiculous. It obviously wasn’t a clear and obvious error (it wasn’t deemed an error at ll in the end) - farcical implementation of something that in theory could help the game.
Still, it gave Martin a chance to make it all about him again. |
Agree with the timing of it.
I suspect the clear and obvious and referees call doesn't apply to offsides.
If the referee and linesman thinks they are both onside then it is a clear and obvious error because Armstrong is a good yard offside. | |
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| Offside somehow. on 10:27 - Nov 30 with 588 views | Basuco |
| Offside somehow. on 07:35 - Nov 30 by cressi |
Watching the European games this week they use a automated VAR seems to work so much better none of this hanging about 5 minutes plus maybe the way forward. |
Someone told me that Nike have refused to put the chip in the match ball that is required for automated VAR offside, not sure if that is true or an excuse for the PL not to use it as it is very accurate and very quick. |  | | |
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