| Letby. 17:54 - Dec 16 with 3915 views | Mercian |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv3jlzme90o
I am not saying she is innocent but the longer this case goes on the more I think she could be a scape-goat for terrible management and procedures at the hospital she worked at. If the main prosecution witness has changed his mind over three of the deaths then the others must be in doubt. This would not be the first time this happened. Far from it. In another current case(s) not so serious in terms of crimes but just as serious in terms of the outcome hundreds of postal workers were convicted because of terrible management, procedures and cover ups. [Post edited 16 Dec 2024 17:55]
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| Letby. on 00:27 - Dec 17 with 969 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Letby. on 21:27 - Dec 16 by redrickstuhaart |
Except for the fact there will have been experts on both sides, questions put to them by both sides etc etc. Evidence is rarely perfect. Its the totality that matters. |
Actually, the availability of experts prepared to support a defence legal team is scant. They are all afraid of losing their careers and good standing in the medical community. But there are a growing number of experts who are questioning the safety of the conviction, after the trial.
The fact that this is not going away should at least prompt questions, and rightly so, as to a) whether the conviction is sound; and b) whether woeful inadequacies in the NHS need to be addressed.
Take the awful case of Sara Shariff. Social services should rightly be investigated for failure to see/act upon multiple red flags. Shouldn't the hospital in question rightly face serious questions on why so many babies died?
Root and branch review needed here, for sure.
We may never know for sure if Letby is a killer, but I really feel for the parents of those babies right now. It must dredge up all of the grief again, and that's not fair, but if this is a miscarriage of justice, then Letby's lawyers shouldn't be silent.
Horrible situation, really [Post edited 17 Dec 2024 2:59]
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| Letby. on 01:05 - Dec 17 with 932 views | MattinLondon |
| Letby. on 21:38 - Dec 16 by Mercian |
So juries cannot be wrong and miscarriages of justice cannot happen? We hear about a good number on reputable TV news and these are just the cases worthy of national coverage. We are unlikely to hear about miscarriages concerning more minor offences. [Post edited 16 Dec 2024 21:39]
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How on earth are lay people who serve on juries meant to interpret such complex information? Especially in long drawn-out cases such as this. |  | | |
| Letby. on 02:52 - Dec 17 with 903 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Letby. on 01:05 - Dec 17 by MattinLondon |
How on earth are lay people who serve on juries meant to interpret such complex information? Especially in long drawn-out cases such as this. |
Agreed that evidence presented in these cases is so complex. I'd be absolutely mortified if I had to serve on a jury on a case like this.
The news reports have said that the jury who served on the Sara Shariff murder case have been given a 10 year exemption from further jury service due to the harrowing nature of the case.
I've never been called for jury service, but it is a heavy responsibility and I'm sure it has a very heavy emotional toll in cases like this [Post edited 17 Dec 2024 2:54]
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| Letby. on 12:14 - Dec 17 with 793 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Letby. on 00:27 - Dec 17 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Actually, the availability of experts prepared to support a defence legal team is scant. They are all afraid of losing their careers and good standing in the medical community. But there are a growing number of experts who are questioning the safety of the conviction, after the trial.
The fact that this is not going away should at least prompt questions, and rightly so, as to a) whether the conviction is sound; and b) whether woeful inadequacies in the NHS need to be addressed.
Take the awful case of Sara Shariff. Social services should rightly be investigated for failure to see/act upon multiple red flags. Shouldn't the hospital in question rightly face serious questions on why so many babies died?
Root and branch review needed here, for sure.
We may never know for sure if Letby is a killer, but I really feel for the parents of those babies right now. It must dredge up all of the grief again, and that's not fair, but if this is a miscarriage of justice, then Letby's lawyers shouldn't be silent.
Horrible situation, really [Post edited 17 Dec 2024 2:59]
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No idea where you getbthe idea that defence ecperts are sparse or reluctant from. They are the same people who give evidence on the other side in other cases.
Notably the prosecution expert disagrees with the claims being made about changing his mind... unfounded and innaccurate, he says. But the internet will doubtless know better. |  | | |
| Letby. on 12:25 - Dec 17 with 765 views | Ryorry |
| Letby. on 12:14 - Dec 17 by redrickstuhaart |
No idea where you getbthe idea that defence ecperts are sparse or reluctant from. They are the same people who give evidence on the other side in other cases.
Notably the prosecution expert disagrees with the claims being made about changing his mind... unfounded and innaccurate, he says. But the internet will doubtless know better. |
You really are extremely poorly informed on this topic.
From my post on p2 of linked thread -
“Another paediatrician on docu explained how her life & career were wrecked by giving evidence 'against the flow' in a different court case. Seeing that, other experts are now incredbly reluctant to come forward - in fact most won't, as I discovered for myself back in the mid-90s, when the anaesthetist who saved my life (diagnosed long-term CO poisoning) refused to go to into court as expert witness against British Gas, for the above reason.
It's a problem that's worse in the UK more than almost anywhere else in the world apparently.” |  |
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| Letby. on 12:45 - Dec 17 with 721 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Letby. on 12:25 - Dec 17 by Ryorry |
You really are extremely poorly informed on this topic.
From my post on p2 of linked thread -
“Another paediatrician on docu explained how her life & career were wrecked by giving evidence 'against the flow' in a different court case. Seeing that, other experts are now incredbly reluctant to come forward - in fact most won't, as I discovered for myself back in the mid-90s, when the anaesthetist who saved my life (diagnosed long-term CO poisoning) refused to go to into court as expert witness against British Gas, for the above reason.
It's a problem that's worse in the UK more than almost anywhere else in the world apparently.” |
On the contrary. | | | |
| Letby. on 13:01 - Dec 17 with 697 views | JakeITFC |
| Letby. on 00:27 - Dec 17 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Actually, the availability of experts prepared to support a defence legal team is scant. They are all afraid of losing their careers and good standing in the medical community. But there are a growing number of experts who are questioning the safety of the conviction, after the trial.
The fact that this is not going away should at least prompt questions, and rightly so, as to a) whether the conviction is sound; and b) whether woeful inadequacies in the NHS need to be addressed.
Take the awful case of Sara Shariff. Social services should rightly be investigated for failure to see/act upon multiple red flags. Shouldn't the hospital in question rightly face serious questions on why so many babies died?
Root and branch review needed here, for sure.
We may never know for sure if Letby is a killer, but I really feel for the parents of those babies right now. It must dredge up all of the grief again, and that's not fair, but if this is a miscarriage of justice, then Letby's lawyers shouldn't be silent.
Horrible situation, really [Post edited 17 Dec 2024 2:59]
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I don't think it is an impossible scenario that Letby was potentially responsible for some deaths (either maliciously or otherwise) and that the general malpractice of the ward contributed to others (which have subsequently been pinned to her).
The statistical data presented in the original case was flawed, and increasingly the medical stuff seems to be up for debate too. All in all a quite horrible circumstance all round - really feel for the parents of the children involved for their lack of closure. |  | | |
| Letby. on 14:12 - Dec 17 with 643 views | LeoMuff |
| Letby. on 12:14 - Dec 17 by redrickstuhaart |
No idea where you getbthe idea that defence ecperts are sparse or reluctant from. They are the same people who give evidence on the other side in other cases.
Notably the prosecution expert disagrees with the claims being made about changing his mind... unfounded and innaccurate, he says. But the internet will doubtless know better. |
To be fair you could see why very few expert would take up the defence in this. |  |
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| Letby. on 14:58 - Dec 17 with 608 views | positivity |
| Letby. on 02:52 - Dec 17 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Agreed that evidence presented in these cases is so complex. I'd be absolutely mortified if I had to serve on a jury on a case like this.
The news reports have said that the jury who served on the Sara Shariff murder case have been given a 10 year exemption from further jury service due to the harrowing nature of the case.
I've never been called for jury service, but it is a heavy responsibility and I'm sure it has a very heavy emotional toll in cases like this [Post edited 17 Dec 2024 2:54]
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i've done it recently and it's a very, very high bar that the prosecution have to get over to prove someone guilty. | |
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| Letby. on 16:09 - Dec 17 with 550 views | PhilTWTD |
| Letby. on 12:14 - Dec 17 by redrickstuhaart |
No idea where you getbthe idea that defence ecperts are sparse or reluctant from. They are the same people who give evidence on the other side in other cases.
Notably the prosecution expert disagrees with the claims being made about changing his mind... unfounded and innaccurate, he says. But the internet will doubtless know better. |
Not sure why you're trying to perpetuate the idea this is an Internet conspiracy when it's a long way from that. Obviously some dispute about whether Dr Dewi Evans's revised reports constitute changing his mind, although from what the defence barrister said yesterday he now has a different opinion on what he believes was the cause of death was in some cases.
Either way, there's clearly significant concern that the medical evidence as well as the statistical evidence which was presented was not accurate. Thought this was particularly concerning from yesterday:
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| Letby. on 17:26 - Dec 17 with 501 views | Ryorry |
You obviously hadn't even looked at links, or info on other thread, just gone with the presumptions you'd already made.
There's a huge amount of evidence from a variety of medical experts & lawyers out there that hasn't come from the internet. | |
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