| New search for MH370 12:02 - Dec 20 with 2421 views | The_Romford_Blue |
BBC still claiming it’s one of ‘aviations great mysteries’ is ridiculous though.
Anyone with any studying into this knows the pilot did it deliberately.
The evidence is overwhelming and then when you add in that 3 hours after it went off radar it went round Penang for some reason - the captains birthplace - and it’s pretty clear. Even 6 weeks before the flight the captain himself on his home simulator took a flight from Kuala Lumpur and took the exact same bizarre flight path the wrong way affectively towards the Indian Ocean. That being the place where the plane will have run out of fuel and finally gone down 7 hours after going off radar. |  |
| |  |
| New search for MH370 on 12:04 - Dec 20 with 2386 views | _clive_baker_ |
More chance of locating Sitters trainers than MH370 |  | | |
| New search for MH370 on 12:07 - Dec 20 with 2362 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Also the fact that confirmed parts of it washed up from the Indian Ocean, it seems fairly certain as to the plane’s fate. People love a good conspiracy though. |  | | |
| New search for MH370 on 13:32 - Dec 20 with 2036 views | bsw72 |
In this modern age of electronic tracking it is incredibly rare to lose a passenger aircraft, passengers and crew without being able to identify where and why. I think that classes as a mystery, especially considering that since 1919 only 447 commercial aircraft are listed as missing, of which MAH370 is the most significant.
It's not a mystery that the plane crashed but everything else, including where and why, is still not known.
You're statement of "evidence is overwhelming" only relates to flight route. You are correct that the transponder turned off (about 1:20am) but the flight was only tracked on military radar for a further 40 minutes. After that, any comms and tracking is based on satellite datalink handshake, picked up by an upgraded ground station in Perth. Rest of your statement is supposition.
Around 7 of these handshake messages were picked up approx hourly between 2:25am and 8:19am. The most interesting thing about this is the final handshake was initiated by the Aircraft and not the Ground Station, which actually occurs after a power up on the plane.
There is a chance it was murder suicide, but also a chance of hijack gone wrong, or catastrphic component failure impacting navigation, leaving the plane flying until it ran out of fuel (around the time of the final Aircraft initiated handshake).
As to your point about the "same bizarre" flight path - it was not the same fflight path, it had some shared data points but the simulation route is a similar route to flight MH150 when it is diverted over the Southern Indian Ocean. The date of the simulated flight was Feb 2nd 2014, and the captain Zaharie Shah, captained MH150 to Jeddah on Feb 4, 2014. It is now believed that the simulation data was just pilot flying a new route on a simulator days before doing so, including options for weather diverted flights, supported by the ATSB and others.
The sad truth is that we will probably never truly know what happened aboard the MH370, even if they find the wreckage.
Just awful for the families and friends of the missing. |  | | |
| New search for MH370 on 13:36 - Dec 20 with 2000 views | HampBlue |
Without knowing as much as others on this, is there any chance it could of been shot down (un-intentionally of course). Then covered up? e.g. China mistaking it for something else?
Surely that's a more realistic conspiracy compared to some (Hijacked and taken to a military island / cyber terrorism/ Russian Hijacking)
I guess Pilot suicide is the most obvious explanation though. [Post edited 20 Dec 2024 13:38]
| | | |
| New search for MH370 on 14:14 - Dec 20 with 1880 views | Kievthegreat |
| New search for MH370 on 13:36 - Dec 20 by HampBlue |
Without knowing as much as others on this, is there any chance it could of been shot down (un-intentionally of course). Then covered up? e.g. China mistaking it for something else?
Surely that's a more realistic conspiracy compared to some (Hijacked and taken to a military island / cyber terrorism/ Russian Hijacking)
I guess Pilot suicide is the most obvious explanation though. [Post edited 20 Dec 2024 13:38]
|
We know the planes kept flying for hours after leaving radar. To be shot down they'd have needed to turn off radio and transponders for hours, only to get shot down over a completely isolated part of the Indian ocean. Doesn't really make much sense.
It's overwhelmingly likely that the aircraft went down on the Indian ocean bases on confirmed wreckage. However the reason why probably can never be confirmed unless we find the black box. Pilot suicide is plausible and probably the most likely, but it's odd to do it so drawn out and not just fly into a mountain. I mean the other crew would have hours to try and prevent it.
Thing is, we have an approx. Where and an approx. when, but we have no why and no definitive how. |  | | |
| New search for MH370 on 14:18 - Dec 20 with 1862 views | Guthrum |
| New search for MH370 on 13:32 - Dec 20 by bsw72 |
In this modern age of electronic tracking it is incredibly rare to lose a passenger aircraft, passengers and crew without being able to identify where and why. I think that classes as a mystery, especially considering that since 1919 only 447 commercial aircraft are listed as missing, of which MAH370 is the most significant.
It's not a mystery that the plane crashed but everything else, including where and why, is still not known.
You're statement of "evidence is overwhelming" only relates to flight route. You are correct that the transponder turned off (about 1:20am) but the flight was only tracked on military radar for a further 40 minutes. After that, any comms and tracking is based on satellite datalink handshake, picked up by an upgraded ground station in Perth. Rest of your statement is supposition.
Around 7 of these handshake messages were picked up approx hourly between 2:25am and 8:19am. The most interesting thing about this is the final handshake was initiated by the Aircraft and not the Ground Station, which actually occurs after a power up on the plane.
There is a chance it was murder suicide, but also a chance of hijack gone wrong, or catastrphic component failure impacting navigation, leaving the plane flying until it ran out of fuel (around the time of the final Aircraft initiated handshake).
As to your point about the "same bizarre" flight path - it was not the same fflight path, it had some shared data points but the simulation route is a similar route to flight MH150 when it is diverted over the Southern Indian Ocean. The date of the simulated flight was Feb 2nd 2014, and the captain Zaharie Shah, captained MH150 to Jeddah on Feb 4, 2014. It is now believed that the simulation data was just pilot flying a new route on a simulator days before doing so, including options for weather diverted flights, supported by the ATSB and others.
The sad truth is that we will probably never truly know what happened aboard the MH370, even if they find the wreckage.
Just awful for the families and friends of the missing. |
Broadly where is pretty well understood. Follow the track of handshakes down until about where the last one occurred - which was probably triggered by the emergency electrical generators starting up once the engines had run out of fuel.
In terms of searching, that still leaves an area at minimum tens of miles square, of very deep and remote ocean over rugged seabed. Looking for a few tons of scrap in that lot, unsurprising nothing has been found yet. May well never be, simply not worth the cost.
Where the wreckage has washed up (has to be from MH370, that's the only Boeing 777 airframe unaccounted for) also strongly suggests it crashed in the southern Indian Ocean.
Why is still unknown and likely to remain that way. But the lack of communication would be unusual for hijackers if they weren't aiming to use the 'plane as a weapon. Aircraft do not start wandering around the sky on their own without control input. Somebody was flying it (or had set the autopilot) at least to the point where it started heading south. |  |
| |
| New search for MH370 on 14:18 - Dec 20 with 1863 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| New search for MH370 on 14:14 - Dec 20 by Kievthegreat |
We know the planes kept flying for hours after leaving radar. To be shot down they'd have needed to turn off radio and transponders for hours, only to get shot down over a completely isolated part of the Indian ocean. Doesn't really make much sense.
It's overwhelmingly likely that the aircraft went down on the Indian ocean bases on confirmed wreckage. However the reason why probably can never be confirmed unless we find the black box. Pilot suicide is plausible and probably the most likely, but it's odd to do it so drawn out and not just fly into a mountain. I mean the other crew would have hours to try and prevent it.
Thing is, we have an approx. Where and an approx. when, but we have no why and no definitive how. |
One explanation/theory which seems reasonably plausible to me, is that the pilot DIDNT WANT the black box to be found - hence the remote location. It was suggested that his life insurance might not pay out (to family) in the event of suicide, and thus without the black box it’s near impossible to prove. | | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| New search for MH370 on 14:20 - Dec 20 with 1858 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
A passenger plane has been missing for 10 years. I wouldn't say it's ridiculous to call that a great mystery. |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
| |
| New search for MH370 on 14:57 - Dec 20 with 1745 views | Kievthegreat |
| New search for MH370 on 14:18 - Dec 20 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
One explanation/theory which seems reasonably plausible to me, is that the pilot DIDNT WANT the black box to be found - hence the remote location. It was suggested that his life insurance might not pay out (to family) in the event of suicide, and thus without the black box it’s near impossible to prove. |
Which could nudge us towards a method/motive, I agree. However it's far from definitive which the Rommers boldly asserts
Although one thing I'd argue back is that I reckon most pilots have life insurance. Still feels far from a smoking gun. | | | |
| New search for MH370 on 16:15 - Dec 20 with 1633 views | ford6600 |
Most likely pilot suicide. Plane took on some additional fuel and oxygen but just for the crew shortly before it departed. Most likely pilot managed to get sole occupancy of cockpit long enough to lock out fellow crew members then turn off oxygen to main cabin. Even with overhead oxygen, passengers and other crew would expire after 20 minutes or so. Also made abrupt course change whilst being handed over between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace. Best time and cutting communications leads both to assume either on his way or didnt leave Malaysisn airspace. The extra crew oxygen may have enabled the pilot to stay conscious for much of the resultant flight south, the plane finally ran out of fuel and crashed. Finding the black box will be only way we can find out for sure... | | | |
| New search for MH370 on 16:36 - Dec 20 with 1562 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| New search for MH370 on 16:15 - Dec 20 by ford6600 |
Most likely pilot suicide. Plane took on some additional fuel and oxygen but just for the crew shortly before it departed. Most likely pilot managed to get sole occupancy of cockpit long enough to lock out fellow crew members then turn off oxygen to main cabin. Even with overhead oxygen, passengers and other crew would expire after 20 minutes or so. Also made abrupt course change whilst being handed over between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace. Best time and cutting communications leads both to assume either on his way or didnt leave Malaysisn airspace. The extra crew oxygen may have enabled the pilot to stay conscious for much of the resultant flight south, the plane finally ran out of fuel and crashed. Finding the black box will be only way we can find out for sure... |
I can never understand why suicidal pilots want to take a couple of hundred people with them, including children. Just horrible. | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
| |
| New search for MH370 on 16:38 - Dec 20 with 1556 views | blueasfook |
| New search for MH370 on 16:15 - Dec 20 by ford6600 |
Most likely pilot suicide. Plane took on some additional fuel and oxygen but just for the crew shortly before it departed. Most likely pilot managed to get sole occupancy of cockpit long enough to lock out fellow crew members then turn off oxygen to main cabin. Even with overhead oxygen, passengers and other crew would expire after 20 minutes or so. Also made abrupt course change whilst being handed over between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace. Best time and cutting communications leads both to assume either on his way or didnt leave Malaysisn airspace. The extra crew oxygen may have enabled the pilot to stay conscious for much of the resultant flight south, the plane finally ran out of fuel and crashed. Finding the black box will be only way we can find out for sure... |
Even if the black boxes were found, they'd be too degraded by now to recover anything from. I feel for the families of those lost, they'll never get proper closure |  |
| |
| New search for MH370 on 16:42 - Dec 20 with 1535 views | ford6600 |
| New search for MH370 on 16:38 - Dec 20 by blueasfook |
Even if the black boxes were found, they'd be too degraded by now to recover anything from. I feel for the families of those lost, they'll never get proper closure |
Apparently black box could survive up to 20 years in the ocean. So may be useful if found sooner rather than later and if without too much impact damage. | | | |
| New search for MH370 on 18:42 - Dec 20 with 1421 views | LeoMuff |
| New search for MH370 on 16:15 - Dec 20 by ford6600 |
Most likely pilot suicide. Plane took on some additional fuel and oxygen but just for the crew shortly before it departed. Most likely pilot managed to get sole occupancy of cockpit long enough to lock out fellow crew members then turn off oxygen to main cabin. Even with overhead oxygen, passengers and other crew would expire after 20 minutes or so. Also made abrupt course change whilst being handed over between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace. Best time and cutting communications leads both to assume either on his way or didnt leave Malaysisn airspace. The extra crew oxygen may have enabled the pilot to stay conscious for much of the resultant flight south, the plane finally ran out of fuel and crashed. Finding the black box will be only way we can find out for sure... |
From my recollection didn’t the pilot have a home flight simulator,on which he practised flying a plane to fuel extinction over southern Indian Ocean.
Also plane tracked detouring over penang pilots home town. |  |
| |
| New search for MH370 on 23:08 - Dec 20 with 1201 views | ford6600 |
| New search for MH370 on 18:42 - Dec 20 by LeoMuff |
From my recollection didn’t the pilot have a home flight simulator,on which he practised flying a plane to fuel extinction over southern Indian Ocean.
Also plane tracked detouring over penang pilots home town. |
Yes and yes. All in all looks to be pilot suicide. Seemingly with no empathy for all the innocent people he took with him. | | | |
| New search for MH370 on 23:15 - Dec 20 with 1185 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| New search for MH370 on 14:20 - Dec 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
A passenger plane has been missing for 10 years. I wouldn't say it's ridiculous to call that a great mystery. |
Because it’s not a mystery.
Even in this thread people are suggesting it might not be pilot suicide. Listen to every documentary and expert analysis on it and there’s absolutely zero chance it was anything but pilot suicide. | |
| |
| New search for MH370 on 07:01 - Dec 21 with 1034 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| New search for MH370 on 23:15 - Dec 20 by The_Romford_Blue |
Because it’s not a mystery.
Even in this thread people are suggesting it might not be pilot suicide. Listen to every documentary and expert analysis on it and there’s absolutely zero chance it was anything but pilot suicide. |
I haven't disputed that. The mystery is where it is. Very rare for a passenger plane with hundreds of people on to disappear for 10 years (so far) in this day and age. | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
| |
| New search for MH370 on 07:30 - Dec 21 with 988 views | Benters |
On impact into the sea lots of pieces of that aircraft would have broke off,both big and small.
Shirley by now they would have found something of it,I doubt very much it’s sitting on the bottom of a ocean whole. |  |
| |
| New search for MH370 on 07:58 - Dec 21 with 951 views | LeoMuff |
| New search for MH370 on 07:30 - Dec 21 by Benters |
On impact into the sea lots of pieces of that aircraft would have broke off,both big and small.
Shirley by now they would have found something of it,I doubt very much it’s sitting on the bottom of a ocean whole. |
They have, a few pieces washed up on Reunion, and African coast which supports that it ditched in Indian Ocean. | |
| |
| New search for MH370 on 09:56 - Dec 21 with 831 views | Benters |
| New search for MH370 on 07:58 - Dec 21 by LeoMuff |
They have, a few pieces washed up on Reunion, and African coast which supports that it ditched in Indian Ocean. |
Oh yeah I didn’t see that comment. | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
