| VAR last night 11:08 - Dec 31 with 5028 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Watched the match replay this morning. How many angles did the VAR officials want to look at for the offside decision?
At one point they even looked at a shot from the other end of the ground, how can you possibly see offside from there? it was as though they were deliberately trying to conjure an 8ft long left leg for Wolfie so they could give the goal.
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| VAR last night on 15:00 - Dec 31 with 1146 views | tonybied |
| VAR last night on 14:52 - Dec 31 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Do you think that our VAR cameras (installed by The Premier League) have been installed in such a way that they can't find a 'suitable angle' to draw a line?
Christ, that means we'll never get any marginal decisions right at Portman Road. Someone ought to ring someone. |
Why is everyone jumping on SuffolkPunchFC? Someone asked why a line had not been drawn, and he has offered an explanation. He's not stating that our VAR cameras are not up to standard, just that in this situation, a drawn line would not make the decision any clearer. It's only unclear due to the number of bodies in the way, not allowing a clear line of sight, not due to poor equipment. |  | | |
| VAR last night on 15:04 - Dec 31 with 1126 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| VAR last night on 14:52 - Dec 31 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Do you think that our VAR cameras (installed by The Premier League) have been installed in such a way that they can't find a 'suitable angle' to draw a line?
Christ, that means we'll never get any marginal decisions right at Portman Road. Someone ought to ring someone. |
Many angles were shown, none gave a clear view. Wherever you place the cameras, and whatever angles they are placed to capture, it's a dynamic situations and player positioning may occasionally lead to a situation where there is no clear view.
It's nothing to do with 'what I think', but physics. Maybe offer some critical arguments to support your view that there can never be a situation where the view is obscured resulting in drawing a line not being able to add anything to the analysis. |  | | |
| VAR last night on 15:09 - Dec 31 with 1105 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| VAR last night on 15:00 - Dec 31 by tonybied |
Why is everyone jumping on SuffolkPunchFC? Someone asked why a line had not been drawn, and he has offered an explanation. He's not stating that our VAR cameras are not up to standard, just that in this situation, a drawn line would not make the decision any clearer. It's only unclear due to the number of bodies in the way, not allowing a clear line of sight, not due to poor equipment. |
Thank you tonybied - it's only really Cheltenham_Blue that's being dogmatic about this to be fair.
I'm all for a reasoned debate, but dogma and sensational comments really contribute nothing.
"Sorry mate, I didn't realise that you wrote that for ESPN."
"Christ, that means we'll never get any marginal decisions right at Portman Road. Someone ought to ring someone."
These add nothing to a sensible discussion ... | | | |
| VAR last night (n/t) on 15:12 - Dec 31 with 1090 views | Wickets |
| VAR last night on 13:48 - Dec 31 by PhilTWTD |
Looked off in real time and took one glance at the still image to confirm that was the case. |
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| VAR last night on 16:00 - Dec 31 with 1053 views | EastTownBlue |
| VAR last night on 12:33 - Dec 31 by longtimefan |
One question I have is do we have good enough VAR cameras? The quality of some of images looks poor and I’ve yet to see any lines drawn for any of the offside decisions taken by VAR. is our current implementation lacking something from a technological perspective? |
From watching the 30 minutes hightlights on Sky last night, they seem to have been flickering between different carmera angles as if to find an appropriate view to draw the lines. | | | |
| VAR last night on 16:28 - Dec 31 with 1028 views | Battersea_Blue |
| VAR last night on 12:33 - Dec 31 by longtimefan |
One question I have is do we have good enough VAR cameras? The quality of some of images looks poor and I’ve yet to see any lines drawn for any of the offside decisions taken by VAR. is our current implementation lacking something from a technological perspective? |
“Our” cameras just give St George’s the videos, it’s their technology that interprets/investigates using all the various camera angles and they put in the “lines”, where/when necessary.
The footage doesn’t necessarily need to be perfect quality, as long as feet and body positions are investigative using straight, parallel (to the goal line, penalty box) lines (not the cut of the grass as that could be slightly “off”).
I guess the goal line and penalty box lines could be slightly “off” too, but probably a better point of reference. | | | |
| VAR last night on 18:14 - Dec 31 with 993 views | EastTownBlue |
| VAR last night on 12:33 - Dec 31 by longtimefan |
One question I have is do we have good enough VAR cameras? The quality of some of images looks poor and I’ve yet to see any lines drawn for any of the offside decisions taken by VAR. is our current implementation lacking something from a technological perspective? |
Dale Johnson has said that they were struggling to find an angle to draw the usual lines as our players feet were being obstructued, particularly with the angle we have all become familiar with. With a couple of other angles the offside wasn't quite so clear.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/43194196/the-var-review-ipswich-penalty-c | | | |
| VAR last night on 18:30 - Dec 31 with 966 views | _clive_baker_ |
| VAR last night on 13:48 - Dec 31 by PhilTWTD |
Looked off in real time and took one glance at the still image to confirm that was the case. |
I thought he'd timed his run well and was going off the reaction of Morsy and Woolf, they didn't seem to appeal for anything. With that and the fact the lino didn't give it I was sure it was going to stand. Glad it didn't though and replay shows he was certainly off. |  | | |
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| VAR last night on 18:35 - Dec 31 with 956 views | PhilTWTD |
| VAR last night on 18:30 - Dec 31 by _clive_baker_ |
I thought he'd timed his run well and was going off the reaction of Morsy and Woolf, they didn't seem to appeal for anything. With that and the fact the lino didn't give it I was sure it was going to stand. Glad it didn't though and replay shows he was certainly off. |
I was at a good angle for it and you know how you get that automatic reaction to a goal, my offside hackles were immediately up. |  | | |
| VAR last night on 18:36 - Dec 31 with 953 views | SamWhiteUK |
Some of the angles make no sense to use. You only need one to prove it definitively. |  | | |
| VAR last night on 19:11 - Dec 31 with 924 views | Radlett_blue |
| VAR last night on 18:36 - Dec 31 by SamWhiteUK |
Some of the angles make no sense to use. You only need one to prove it definitively. |
Only if it's in line with the players. I assume you are aware of parallax? Famous punter made a fortune out of betting on photo finishes as he understood parallax. |  |
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| VAR last night on 23:09 - Dec 31 with 833 views | longtimefan |
My question was prompted by the fact this was the second VAR offside where they didn’t draw lines. The first goal in the Newcastle game was a much tighter decision I thought and they also didn’t draw lines for that. Can’t think of many other VAR offsides I’ve seen at other grounds where they don’t draw the lines even for some obvious cases. | | | |
| VAR last night on 23:42 - Dec 31 with 803 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| VAR last night on 23:09 - Dec 31 by longtimefan |
My question was prompted by the fact this was the second VAR offside where they didn’t draw lines. The first goal in the Newcastle game was a much tighter decision I thought and they also didn’t draw lines for that. Can’t think of many other VAR offsides I’ve seen at other grounds where they don’t draw the lines even for some obvious cases. |
This goal? Yes, there was a line drawn.
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| VAR last night on 02:17 - Jan 1 with 755 views | melbs_itfc |
| VAR last night on 13:15 - Dec 31 by Cheltenham_Blue |
That really wasn't my point. My point was the offside goal which they took an age over, far too long in my opinion as it was clearly offside on the first viewing, without the need to resort to the multiple angles which anyone with a basic knowledge could see would never help.
Just get the lines on and be done with it. |
Perhaps a related question is why the apparent radio silence from both the Premier League and media regarding the semi automated offside technology to increase the accuracy and speed these decisions up considerably.
Before the start of the season we were first told that it would be introduced after the first international break in September then that it would now come in after the second one in October, due to some technical issue I think. Yet here we are in January the following year and still nothing. What the heck is going on - anyone know? | | | |
| VAR last night on 10:34 - Jan 1 with 641 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| VAR last night on 10:23 - Jan 1 by Nutkins_Return |
Think you are completely not appreciating how the camera angle can give a completely false view of an offside. If you showed the reverse angle of the one in your pic then he would look onside (even though he wasn't).
Also if you take your idea on the goal line an pulling it out then it's not right either. For example try this and pull it out (if your idea is right it will line up with the lines of the box). Try it. It won't line up. This is because if the camera angle.
We can all agree he was probably offside but it wasn't as easy as made out and was probably a lot close then it looks because the camera perspective tells our brains it doesn't look close.
In fact if you took your goal line and move it out it might have shown him (wrongly) onside. Genuinely try it with the picture you have shared. You can see the goal line actually point different way to the box....and would favour the striker. [Post edited 1 Jan 10:31]
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My post is not discussing whether it was onside or offside. It was answer the earlier question as to why VAR didn't draw a line for the analysis.
I also said nothing about using the goal line as a reference - that was another poster.
I think you've either completely misunderstood what I've posted about (I was showing an example camera angle illustrating why it was difficult for VAR to decide where to draw the virtual line) or you're responding to comments in another poster's reply? | | | |
| VAR last night on 11:00 - Jan 1 with 618 views | longtimefan |
| VAR last night on 23:42 - Dec 31 by SuffolkPunchFC |
This goal? Yes, there was a line drawn.
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Sorry, hadn’t seen that tweet. Don’t think it was shown in real time but that maybe wrong too! | | | |
| VAR last night on 11:18 - Jan 1 with 609 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| VAR last night on 11:00 - Jan 1 by longtimefan |
Sorry, hadn’t seen that tweet. Don’t think it was shown in real time but that maybe wrong too! |
That I can't answer - if you mean on the large screen in the ground, we can't see it where we sit in the SAR Upper (come on Ashton - time to put more big screens in  ). Same for TV coverage, I don't recall what the did/didn't show. | | | |
| VAR last night on 12:23 - Jan 1 with 585 views | BlueSpark |
The long wait, apparently due to not being able to show lines, makes it more strange it was called offside. The onfield decision was onside, so have they overturned the onfield decision without definitive proof?
I think he is offside from the replays, but if it was given and there was no VAR I wouldn't have been too annoyed over it.
I think we played great, but we just might have had a lot of luck go our way too. | | | |
| VAR last night on 13:06 - Jan 1 with 537 views | Nutkins_Return |
| VAR last night on 10:34 - Jan 1 by SuffolkPunchFC |
My post is not discussing whether it was onside or offside. It was answer the earlier question as to why VAR didn't draw a line for the analysis.
I also said nothing about using the goal line as a reference - that was another poster.
I think you've either completely misunderstood what I've posted about (I was showing an example camera angle illustrating why it was difficult for VAR to decide where to draw the virtual line) or you're responding to comments in another poster's reply? |
Yep sorry I hit reply to wrong post. I was responding to Cheltenham Blue: "That's all nonsense though. All you have to do is put in a line that is parallel to the goal line and then move it to the point of the offside."
This is not right. | |
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