| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming 08:54 - Jan 10 with 6911 views | Mullet |
Always wary of misinformation on there now. However, the silence on this from the usual suspects shows a lot about what they really care about.
If anyone happened to catch the journalist on the News Agents podcast who covered the original trials and exposé, he was incredibly compelling in his account of the initial difficulties covering grooming gangs.
The recent move by the opposition to ruin the latest bill to protect children is incredibly shameful. I wonder if it is to distract for the problems in their own community? |  |
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 14:40 - Jan 11 with 1336 views | lowhouseblue |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 14:21 - Jan 11 by Mullet |
I wasn’t making a point about austerity as a policy specifically, but that is self evident with the hindsight we also have. Care homes, sexual offences, domestic violence etc have always been underrepresented in the law, spending and headlines.
Those who were happy to benefit from governments creating greater social inequality for decades, can’t then be quite so righteous asking where all the professionals and funding was to prevent this. After all, this is a very niche criminal phenomenon within a minority of a minority etc.
The lack of vitriol towards SYL and his ilk for their own sins, or the Epstein island scandal from the other side of the pond shows that there is a selective and racial bias from the swell of support Reform et al are enjoying. There is a clear age and ethnic bias to that support base too. Denying it is making your position incredibly problematic.
Whether it’s condescending or not, it’s ironic given the complaints about “cultural sensitivity” being banded about. We have a massive issue with trying to other paedophiles and victims in this country, rather than looking at the crimes and offending themselves. Pretending they’re not like us so much belong to other groups, is part of why we are in the mess we are.
Farage will always drive support his way, he’ll say anything and take money from anywhere to fund his lifestyle. What you’re suggesting is appeasement of that by not offending those too lazy to do any thinking. Unfortunately, if they refuse to educate themselves a little or understand the issue just indulging them only strengthens the grifters. |
yes there is alas lots of sexual offending and domestic violence etc. what makes this issue stand out is that public authorities systematically failed to act and as a result thousands of vulnerable kids were abused. it is a scandalous failing by the state - and a failing that impacted on disadvantaged and vulnerable communities. calling for an enquiry to establish why that failure occurred and where responsibility lies is not "appeasement". on the contrary, not being prepared to ask those questions suggests a fear of what may be discovered - it smacks of cover up. sometimes you have to take things out of current political point scoring - what farage or racist bigots may claim mustn't make us afraid of holding public authorities to account and exposing public institutions to scrutiny.
and in all seriousness if people on the left refer to those who are concerned by this scandal as "too lazy to do any thinking" and "they refuse to educate themselves a little or understand the issue" then they will only have themselves to blame when prime minister farage takes office. |  |
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 15:05 - Jan 11 with 1294 views | Mullet |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 14:40 - Jan 11 by lowhouseblue |
yes there is alas lots of sexual offending and domestic violence etc. what makes this issue stand out is that public authorities systematically failed to act and as a result thousands of vulnerable kids were abused. it is a scandalous failing by the state - and a failing that impacted on disadvantaged and vulnerable communities. calling for an enquiry to establish why that failure occurred and where responsibility lies is not "appeasement". on the contrary, not being prepared to ask those questions suggests a fear of what may be discovered - it smacks of cover up. sometimes you have to take things out of current political point scoring - what farage or racist bigots may claim mustn't make us afraid of holding public authorities to account and exposing public institutions to scrutiny.
and in all seriousness if people on the left refer to those who are concerned by this scandal as "too lazy to do any thinking" and "they refuse to educate themselves a little or understand the issue" then they will only have themselves to blame when prime minister farage takes office. |
But there have been numerous inquiries, changes to policy and practice. What exactly is it you want to achieve other than trying to be “on the right side”? Salve some sort of guilt?
The information has been out there for a very long time, the timescale and tone of what you’re saying doesn’t suggest that justice is at the forefront of what you want either. The only person who seems to be entrenched in point scoring is you - this doesn’t condemn the current government given it was Starmer who is credited for making it possible to prosecute more people.
I’m not seeing anything here from you that isn’t a polishing up of the Reform attack line frankly. The victims don’t want this by and large, it seems that dragging them back into the debate has gotten lost. That’s where your Hillsborough justification falls down too.
Given much of what you’re arguing comes from the perspective of a man who was happy to cover up such crimes in his midst, it seems odd to believe you’re sitting outside of the likes of SYL et al. The positives should be about awareness and protecting kids now and in the future. Those who were let down and had their lives ruined aren’t going to benefit from a repetition of existing reports - putting those in place is a better use of resources.
Support and help for the victims is what we should be looking into the past for. If you simply want people sacked from various roles, that’s not helped much by the scope of a national inquiry is it? | |
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 15:26 - Jan 11 with 1263 views | lowhouseblue |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 15:05 - Jan 11 by Mullet |
But there have been numerous inquiries, changes to policy and practice. What exactly is it you want to achieve other than trying to be “on the right side”? Salve some sort of guilt?
The information has been out there for a very long time, the timescale and tone of what you’re saying doesn’t suggest that justice is at the forefront of what you want either. The only person who seems to be entrenched in point scoring is you - this doesn’t condemn the current government given it was Starmer who is credited for making it possible to prosecute more people.
I’m not seeing anything here from you that isn’t a polishing up of the Reform attack line frankly. The victims don’t want this by and large, it seems that dragging them back into the debate has gotten lost. That’s where your Hillsborough justification falls down too.
Given much of what you’re arguing comes from the perspective of a man who was happy to cover up such crimes in his midst, it seems odd to believe you’re sitting outside of the likes of SYL et al. The positives should be about awareness and protecting kids now and in the future. Those who were let down and had their lives ruined aren’t going to benefit from a repetition of existing reports - putting those in place is a better use of resources.
Support and help for the victims is what we should be looking into the past for. If you simply want people sacked from various roles, that’s not helped much by the scope of a national inquiry is it? |
i'm certainly not condemning the current government - nothing that happened was down to them. equally i haven't seen anything at all to suggest that starmer as dpp on this issue acted other than admirably. what we need an enquiry to do is (i) determine responsibility and hold people and institutions to account - to the best of my knowledge following a scandal in which thousands of vulnerable kids were abused, not one person has resigned or faced disciplinary procedures, no public authorities have even apologised; and (ii) publicly recognise the suffering of the victims and their communities. the calls for an enquiry are from those communities, including many of the victims, but also from a much wider section of the population who have lost trust in the public authorities and believe that those authorities are just covering their own backs.
syl and reform are a red herring here - and refusing an enquiry because it's been them calling for one is ridiculous.
we are facing a political crisis of trust in the uk and i am genuinely afraid that we're drifting towards farage as pm. we need to start listening to communities who believe that they have been let down by the state and who think they are ignored by people in power. this is one example where there is genuine widespread concern. far better to get it all out in the open rather than leave it to fester and for communities to feel ignored and belittled yet again. | |
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 15:36 - Jan 11 with 1245 views | Mullet |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 15:26 - Jan 11 by lowhouseblue |
i'm certainly not condemning the current government - nothing that happened was down to them. equally i haven't seen anything at all to suggest that starmer as dpp on this issue acted other than admirably. what we need an enquiry to do is (i) determine responsibility and hold people and institutions to account - to the best of my knowledge following a scandal in which thousands of vulnerable kids were abused, not one person has resigned or faced disciplinary procedures, no public authorities have even apologised; and (ii) publicly recognise the suffering of the victims and their communities. the calls for an enquiry are from those communities, including many of the victims, but also from a much wider section of the population who have lost trust in the public authorities and believe that those authorities are just covering their own backs.
syl and reform are a red herring here - and refusing an enquiry because it's been them calling for one is ridiculous.
we are facing a political crisis of trust in the uk and i am genuinely afraid that we're drifting towards farage as pm. we need to start listening to communities who believe that they have been let down by the state and who think they are ignored by people in power. this is one example where there is genuine widespread concern. far better to get it all out in the open rather than leave it to fester and for communities to feel ignored and belittled yet again. |
Would it not be more beneficial to give Labour a chance to enact the findings the Tories didn’t then? Is that your position in the simplest of terms? | |
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 15:55 - Jan 11 with 1201 views | DJR |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 15:26 - Jan 11 by lowhouseblue |
i'm certainly not condemning the current government - nothing that happened was down to them. equally i haven't seen anything at all to suggest that starmer as dpp on this issue acted other than admirably. what we need an enquiry to do is (i) determine responsibility and hold people and institutions to account - to the best of my knowledge following a scandal in which thousands of vulnerable kids were abused, not one person has resigned or faced disciplinary procedures, no public authorities have even apologised; and (ii) publicly recognise the suffering of the victims and their communities. the calls for an enquiry are from those communities, including many of the victims, but also from a much wider section of the population who have lost trust in the public authorities and believe that those authorities are just covering their own backs.
syl and reform are a red herring here - and refusing an enquiry because it's been them calling for one is ridiculous.
we are facing a political crisis of trust in the uk and i am genuinely afraid that we're drifting towards farage as pm. we need to start listening to communities who believe that they have been let down by the state and who think they are ignored by people in power. this is one example where there is genuine widespread concern. far better to get it all out in the open rather than leave it to fester and for communities to feel ignored and belittled yet again. |
Out of interest, did you feel so strongly about the need for an inquiry, and were you even calling for one, before Elon Musk made this an issue?
I certainly don't recall any posts from you on the subject in recent months. [Post edited 11 Jan 15:59]
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 16:03 - Jan 11 with 1179 views | lowhouseblue |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 15:36 - Jan 11 by Mullet |
Would it not be more beneficial to give Labour a chance to enact the findings the Tories didn’t then? Is that your position in the simplest of terms? |
they should get on and enact them. and at the same time they should hold a national enquiry to make transparent where it all went wrong. they are not mutually exclusive. did you know that, according to margaret oliver the original police whistle blower, the organised networks section of the jay inquiry took evidence in person from a total of one victims? | |
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 16:18 - Jan 11 with 1152 views | lowhouseblue |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 15:55 - Jan 11 by DJR |
Out of interest, did you feel so strongly about the need for an inquiry, and were you even calling for one, before Elon Musk made this an issue?
I certainly don't recall any posts from you on the subject in recent months. [Post edited 11 Jan 15:59]
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thankfully for everyone i don't post a comprehensive record of everything i might think. my inclination, all else given, is to try to think differently from musk, but just opposing musk can't be an end in itself. | |
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 16:20 - Jan 11 with 1144 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 16:03 - Jan 11 by lowhouseblue |
they should get on and enact them. and at the same time they should hold a national enquiry to make transparent where it all went wrong. they are not mutually exclusive. did you know that, according to margaret oliver the original police whistle blower, the organised networks section of the jay inquiry took evidence in person from a total of one victims? |
Evidence in person from one perhaps but thousands of voices heard
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/victims-and-survivors/truth-project |  |
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 16:24 - Jan 11 with 1126 views | lowhouseblue |
that's across the whole very wide inquiry - not just the organised networks stream. seriously, one victim giving evidence in person? | |
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 16:27 - Jan 11 with 1116 views | DJR |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 16:18 - Jan 11 by lowhouseblue |
thankfully for everyone i don't post a comprehensive record of everything i might think. my inclination, all else given, is to try to think differently from musk, but just opposing musk can't be an end in itself. |
I may have mentioned this before, but I do tend to find the way you post (with no capitals and not much in the way of paragraphing) a bit off-putting. It also makes me less inclined to read what you say which I don't find is the case with other posters.
This is not meant as criticism but rather friendly advice. Of course, maybe it's an age thing but you have to bear in mind that a lot of us on here are no spring chickens. [Post edited 11 Jan 16:30]
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 16:40 - Jan 11 with 1081 views | GlasgowBlue |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 15:55 - Jan 11 by DJR |
Out of interest, did you feel so strongly about the need for an inquiry, and were you even calling for one, before Elon Musk made this an issue?
I certainly don't recall any posts from you on the subject in recent months. [Post edited 11 Jan 15:59]
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Lowhouse, myself, Lucan (if I remember correctly) and others I’ve forgotten have been raising this issue for many years on here. So no. Nothing to do with Reform, musk, TR or any other bandwagon jumpers. What lies at the heart of the matter it’s the state and it’s apparatus failing these kids. Sadly I’ve stayed away from this since these w@nkers have jumped on board.
It’s odd that people who showed concern for the state failing the Postmasters, Hillsborough, Blood scandal et aren’t having these accusations thrown at them.
And the reason for this is the ethnicity of the perpetrators. The same thinking from authorities that lead to thousands of children being abused who could have been saved. Sarah Champion even lost a shadow cabinet position for raising this a few years back .It’s pretty sickening tbh. [Post edited 11 Jan 17:09]
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| This thread perfectly sums up.... on 17:01 - Jan 11 with 1031 views | Bloots |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 16:40 - Jan 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Lowhouse, myself, Lucan (if I remember correctly) and others I’ve forgotten have been raising this issue for many years on here. So no. Nothing to do with Reform, musk, TR or any other bandwagon jumpers. What lies at the heart of the matter it’s the state and it’s apparatus failing these kids. Sadly I’ve stayed away from this since these w@nkers have jumped on board.
It’s odd that people who showed concern for the state failing the Postmasters, Hillsborough, Blood scandal et aren’t having these accusations thrown at them.
And the reason for this is the ethnicity of the perpetrators. The same thinking from authorities that lead to thousands of children being abused who could have been saved. Sarah Champion even lost a shadow cabinet position for raising this a few years back .It’s pretty sickening tbh. [Post edited 11 Jan 17:09]
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....everything that is wrong about our society from a political perspective.
Some people on here are more concerned about who is performing these sick acts rather than the fact the acts are happening.
It's always about point scoring against whoever you see as your political opponent.
Frankly it's disgusting behaviour and I thought better of some people on this thread, I was obviously wrong. |  |
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 17:47 - Jan 11 with 973 views | DJR |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 16:40 - Jan 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Lowhouse, myself, Lucan (if I remember correctly) and others I’ve forgotten have been raising this issue for many years on here. So no. Nothing to do with Reform, musk, TR or any other bandwagon jumpers. What lies at the heart of the matter it’s the state and it’s apparatus failing these kids. Sadly I’ve stayed away from this since these w@nkers have jumped on board.
It’s odd that people who showed concern for the state failing the Postmasters, Hillsborough, Blood scandal et aren’t having these accusations thrown at them.
And the reason for this is the ethnicity of the perpetrators. The same thinking from authorities that lead to thousands of children being abused who could have been saved. Sarah Champion even lost a shadow cabinet position for raising this a few years back .It’s pretty sickening tbh. [Post edited 11 Jan 17:09]
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That must have been before my time because I don't recall a thread on the issue in the two or three years I've been on the forum.
As it is, I condemn unreservedly what has gone on (including the inaction), but at the same time have grave misgivings about the motives and influence of Musk. [Post edited 11 Jan 17:54]
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 18:01 - Jan 11 with 930 views | Mullet |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 16:40 - Jan 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Lowhouse, myself, Lucan (if I remember correctly) and others I’ve forgotten have been raising this issue for many years on here. So no. Nothing to do with Reform, musk, TR or any other bandwagon jumpers. What lies at the heart of the matter it’s the state and it’s apparatus failing these kids. Sadly I’ve stayed away from this since these w@nkers have jumped on board.
It’s odd that people who showed concern for the state failing the Postmasters, Hillsborough, Blood scandal et aren’t having these accusations thrown at them.
And the reason for this is the ethnicity of the perpetrators. The same thinking from authorities that lead to thousands of children being abused who could have been saved. Sarah Champion even lost a shadow cabinet position for raising this a few years back .It’s pretty sickening tbh. [Post edited 11 Jan 17:09]
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The problem with those comparisons is that justice hadn’t been seen to be done in terms of prison time etc. likewise they hadn’t been reignited under so much misinformation to further newer agenda.
That seems to be the key point here.
All of those examples had campaigns of clear aims and the bad actors from individuals to companies, in their sights The failure of the police, councils and social services have been discussed, recognised and progress has been made. If the argument is that not enough has been made, that’s a very different argument and far wider than simply Asian grooming gangs.
It’s more akin to how the stereotypes around terrorism are more powerful than the reality, as far public opinion goes. Having listened to Andrew Norfolk I can’t help but feel he’s a sort reluctant hero we need to be amplified- above politicians and social media agitators etc | |
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 18:23 - Jan 11 with 883 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 14:02 - Jan 11 by lowhouseblue |
you can do both. the final hillsborough enquiry followed previous investigations and came after all the relevant safety improvements had long been implemented. no one can argue that identifying those responsible wasn't still needed. |
Hillsborough is a pretty poor analogy. Remind me how many convictions the meticulous evidence gathering, by Professor Phil Scraton, led to?
Or how the Promoters of the match, the FA, are still allowed to promote large scale public events today, in spite of their huge failing in choosing a ground without adequate safety certification in which a large scale public safety incident had previously occurred?
Or Sheffield Council?
Or West Yorkshire Police?
Or how Sir Bernard Ingham has kept his knighthood?
Yeah, Public Inquiries are always the answer, but rarely the solution. Solutions required political will, determination and funding. |  | | |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 18:42 - Jan 11 with 848 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
An important Twitter thread. It would have exponentially more value if each case had a credible link to the news source.
Important to note, for context, that TWTD had a moment of collective shame when we (and I include myself here) all took the pish out of the skinhead in the "Muslamic Ray Guns" video, years before the grooming gangs were exposed, and didn't stop to think about the reality that many girls and women from his community were facing.
Nobody listened to them, or him.
Maybe if they had been believed we wouldn't see the likes of Tommy Robinson/Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (and now Elon Musk) exploiting years of resentment and hurt for their own ends.
And discussion of failings of Social Work Departments and the CPS can't be divorced from the realities of funding, and consequently declining morale and poor retention rates of experienced staff.
Gangs (and individuals) of Asian-heritage men have systematically raped women and children in the UK.
Networks (interesting how the language used is different, isn't it?) and individuals of White British heritage have systematically raped women and children in the UK.
We all need to give enough of a sh1t to push for the changes needed in Social Work and the Criminal Justice System, and properly fund them through our taxes, to do everything possible to prevent all forms of sexual exploitation and abuse.
For balance, let's also not forget that Billionaires and the Royal Family also number alleged sexual offenders amongst themselves, and the survivors of abuse at their hands often find it incredibly difficult to achieve justice. | | | |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 07:06 - Jan 12 with 723 views | noggin |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 18:42 - Jan 11 by ArnoldMoorhen |
An important Twitter thread. It would have exponentially more value if each case had a credible link to the news source.
Important to note, for context, that TWTD had a moment of collective shame when we (and I include myself here) all took the pish out of the skinhead in the "Muslamic Ray Guns" video, years before the grooming gangs were exposed, and didn't stop to think about the reality that many girls and women from his community were facing.
Nobody listened to them, or him.
Maybe if they had been believed we wouldn't see the likes of Tommy Robinson/Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (and now Elon Musk) exploiting years of resentment and hurt for their own ends.
And discussion of failings of Social Work Departments and the CPS can't be divorced from the realities of funding, and consequently declining morale and poor retention rates of experienced staff.
Gangs (and individuals) of Asian-heritage men have systematically raped women and children in the UK.
Networks (interesting how the language used is different, isn't it?) and individuals of White British heritage have systematically raped women and children in the UK.
We all need to give enough of a sh1t to push for the changes needed in Social Work and the Criminal Justice System, and properly fund them through our taxes, to do everything possible to prevent all forms of sexual exploitation and abuse.
For balance, let's also not forget that Billionaires and the Royal Family also number alleged sexual offenders amongst themselves, and the survivors of abuse at their hands often find it incredibly difficult to achieve justice. |
"For balance, let's also not forget that Billionaires and the Royal Family also number alleged sexual offenders amongst themselves, and the survivors of abuse at their hands often find it incredibly difficult to achieve justice."
Not forgetting church leaders, tv personalities and politicians. All of which were also covered up for years to protect the abusers and their institutions. |  |
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| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 10:21 - Jan 12 with 582 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 09:02 - Jan 11 by GlasgowBlue |
When several German women were sexually abused on New Years Eve by Muslim gangs in Cologne a few years back, you tried to dismiss it as “a right wing conspiracy” and “nowt but a bit if bum tickling”.
These children were failed by the authorities because of the same sort of thinking as yours. You shouldn’t be anywhere a thread like this. |
That is appalling. | | | |
| This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming on 10:25 - Jan 12 with 569 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I don’t know the history of this to comment as to whether appropriate enquiries have been held. But I suspect Musk doesn’t either, and his malign influence over our politics is very troubling. | | | |
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