| The Presser - hmmmmm 14:23 - Jan 10 with 3372 views | NeverSayDie |
Raises eyebrows eh.
No Philogene update, but misses deadline for game which nobody would have wanted (unless he is injured) Szmodics now confirmed out along with Hutch for "weeks", so definitely still need another player for that role, leaves me with hope that we are still in for Doak. Hirsty back Sunday is a win, but how long does he stay fit, still desperately need another 9.
Blimey O'Reilly, that's 2 more out, 1 sort of back (Hirst, sub) 1 deffo in (Godfrey) and 1 Philogene (status unclear) so are we in better, or worse shape than when the window opened? [Post edited 10 Jan 14:23]
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| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:27 - Jan 10 with 3199 views | Kieran_Knows |
"so are we in better, or worse shape than when the window opened?"
Not forgetting we still have over 3 weeks before the window closes. |  |
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| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:29 - Jan 10 with 3104 views | Zx1988 |
Who had 10th January for the first transfer-window-related blub? |  |
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| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:30 - Jan 10 with 3091 views | JammyDodgerrr |
Post doesn't really match your username. |  |
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| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:33 - Jan 10 with 2994 views | ipswichtillidie |
More questions from the presser than questions answered.. |  |
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| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:34 - Jan 10 with 2953 views | Nutkins_Return |
Which are the 2 for "2 more out"? Szmodics is only new one isn't he?
And Hirst back so that's a break even in my book. | |
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| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:36 - Jan 10 with 2893 views | NeverSayDie |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:27 - Jan 10 by Kieran_Knows |
"so are we in better, or worse shape than when the window opened?"
Not forgetting we still have over 3 weeks before the window closes. |
By which time we will have already played another 4 league games, time is of the essence here, games don't stop for the window and now we have injuries to Szmodics and Hutchinson to contend with. This transfer window defines whether we are relegated, or stay up, it's simple as that really. | | | |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:39 - Jan 10 with 2821 views | NeverSayDie |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:34 - Jan 10 by Nutkins_Return |
Which are the 2 for "2 more out"? Szmodics is only new one isn't he?
And Hirst back so that's a break even in my book. |
Looking at dates covering transfer window, which includes Hutch injury. | | | |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:48 - Jan 10 with 2659 views | Kieran_Knows |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:36 - Jan 10 by NeverSayDie |
By which time we will have already played another 4 league games, time is of the essence here, games don't stop for the window and now we have injuries to Szmodics and Hutchinson to contend with. This transfer window defines whether we are relegated, or stay up, it's simple as that really. |
What are you expecting? We went in to the window without Szmodics or Hutchinson injured and it's only been in the last week that they have.
We're closing in on Philogene, and trying very hard to get Doak. Literally what more could they be doing, 10 days in to the window? | |
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| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:53 - Jan 10 with 2490 views | Zx1988 |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:48 - Jan 10 by Kieran_Knows |
What are you expecting? We went in to the window without Szmodics or Hutchinson injured and it's only been in the last week that they have.
We're closing in on Philogene, and trying very hard to get Doak. Literally what more could they be doing, 10 days in to the window? |
Should have had them both through the door by 9am on January 1st, and should also have moved on to signing Haaland by now. | |
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| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:57 - Jan 10 with 2441 views | NeverSayDie |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:48 - Jan 10 by Kieran_Knows |
What are you expecting? We went in to the window without Szmodics or Hutchinson injured and it's only been in the last week that they have.
We're closing in on Philogene, and trying very hard to get Doak. Literally what more could they be doing, 10 days in to the window? |
Injuries happen, nobody's fault, but it makes it even more important that we have a successful window with deals done swiftly, easier said than done. However, as Ashton has pointed out many times over last couple of years, work on the next window starts straight after the previous one has finished, several of the current targets are clearly people we've already had dealings with last window, so we aren't starting from scratch on these and hopefully we'll see more transfers confirmed very soon. Realistically, I think we are going to have to get the cheque book out and be way less concerned with "fair value" than previous seasons. | | | |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 15:08 - Jan 10 with 2313 views | Rozz |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:39 - Jan 10 by NeverSayDie |
Looking at dates covering transfer window, which includes Hutch injury. |
I don't think directly comparing new short term injuries vs signings inbound is a good way to measure success in a transfer window. Injuries will weaken any team and can happen at any time.
Hopefully Philogene gets over the line for our next league game. I'm very optimistic that with his style/profile we're basically going to have another Omari type option, which will take some load off the young man. |  | | |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 15:20 - Jan 10 with 2112 views | NeverSayDie |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 15:08 - Jan 10 by Rozz |
I don't think directly comparing new short term injuries vs signings inbound is a good way to measure success in a transfer window. Injuries will weaken any team and can happen at any time.
Hopefully Philogene gets over the line for our next league game. I'm very optimistic that with his style/profile we're basically going to have another Omari type option, which will take some load off the young man. |
I probably didn’t word it very well, I’m not trying to measure the success of the window vs injuries, just using the injuries as a means to highlight that it’s even more critical than it already was, that this window is a success. We were very light on bodies anyway, so this is a real kick in the knackers tbh. In other windows, when we have missed a target or two, it hasn’t been crucial, but that’s not the case here, our survival IMO rests on this window, 20 games have proved as much.
I agree that Philogene is a good addition (though £22 million is now quoted as the figure, as opposed to the widely reported, I wonder if this has caused the hold up? Maybe another side matched our offer and we had to up the figure? Highly speculative, but you never know) and he will take some pressure off Omari and given the Szmodics situation, I now suspect that we will go hard for Doak if there’s the slightest chance they will sell him, so that’s good news. Number 9 is still the difficult one it seems, though probably the most important one we need IMO. [Post edited 10 Jan 15:22]
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| The Presser - hmmmmm on 15:29 - Jan 10 with 2013 views | dirtyboy |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:57 - Jan 10 by NeverSayDie |
Injuries happen, nobody's fault, but it makes it even more important that we have a successful window with deals done swiftly, easier said than done. However, as Ashton has pointed out many times over last couple of years, work on the next window starts straight after the previous one has finished, several of the current targets are clearly people we've already had dealings with last window, so we aren't starting from scratch on these and hopefully we'll see more transfers confirmed very soon. Realistically, I think we are going to have to get the cheque book out and be way less concerned with "fair value" than previous seasons. |
Are you suggesting for instance we de-register Szmodics and spend more on a replacement than fair value?
Every man and his dog knows values are generally higher in January for a multitude of reasons.
We're hampered by PSR and you're now saying "be way less concerned with fair value" even though we're working to the absolute maximum of those figures which is blindingly obviously by our dealings already.
Realistically, we just need to see what the club can do. We won't he held ransom and we won't do the deals if they're not right. We can't also 'just' buy replacements because of short term injuries due to squad sizes. |  | | |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 15:40 - Jan 10 with 1867 views | NeverSayDie |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 15:29 - Jan 10 by dirtyboy |
Are you suggesting for instance we de-register Szmodics and spend more on a replacement than fair value?
Every man and his dog knows values are generally higher in January for a multitude of reasons.
We're hampered by PSR and you're now saying "be way less concerned with fair value" even though we're working to the absolute maximum of those figures which is blindingly obviously by our dealings already.
Realistically, we just need to see what the club can do. We won't he held ransom and we won't do the deals if they're not right. We can't also 'just' buy replacements because of short term injuries due to squad sizes. |
We have a fair amount of room PSR wise and I’m not suggesting we flout the rules (despite several having done so previously to no obvious detriment so far) and we have assets to sell that will more than cover any issues. There’s clearly plenty of competition for the players within our financial scope and maybe we are going to have to just give what is asked to secure a signature, rather than waste time negotiating and fighting other clubs, which isn’t our style. We needed players whether Szmodics was injured, or not, so the plan is no different, it’s just more important we get deals across the line and quickly. One thing that is demonstrably true after 20 games, is that we are not quite good enough to stay up, this window is absolutely critical to avoid the drop. [Post edited 10 Jan 15:41]
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| The Presser - hmmmmm on 17:53 - Jan 10 with 1373 views | TVRBlue |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 15:40 - Jan 10 by NeverSayDie |
We have a fair amount of room PSR wise and I’m not suggesting we flout the rules (despite several having done so previously to no obvious detriment so far) and we have assets to sell that will more than cover any issues. There’s clearly plenty of competition for the players within our financial scope and maybe we are going to have to just give what is asked to secure a signature, rather than waste time negotiating and fighting other clubs, which isn’t our style. We needed players whether Szmodics was injured, or not, so the plan is no different, it’s just more important we get deals across the line and quickly. One thing that is demonstrably true after 20 games, is that we are not quite good enough to stay up, this window is absolutely critical to avoid the drop. [Post edited 10 Jan 15:41]
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"We needed players whether Szmodics was injured, or not, so the plan is no different, it’s just more important we get deals across the line and quickly."
Why do you think McKenna, Ashton, and everyone else in the player recruitment team are not trying to do things quickly? |  | | |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 18:09 - Jan 10 with 1287 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 14:48 - Jan 10 by Kieran_Knows |
What are you expecting? We went in to the window without Szmodics or Hutchinson injured and it's only been in the last week that they have.
We're closing in on Philogene, and trying very hard to get Doak. Literally what more could they be doing, 10 days in to the window? |
Offer hutch fee for doak as full and final. If rejected move onto next target. Job done |  |
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| The Presser - hmmmmm on 18:15 - Jan 10 with 1254 views | NeverSayDie |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 17:53 - Jan 10 by TVRBlue |
"We needed players whether Szmodics was injured, or not, so the plan is no different, it’s just more important we get deals across the line and quickly."
Why do you think McKenna, Ashton, and everyone else in the player recruitment team are not trying to do things quickly? |
As I referred to earlier, conversations take much longer when you’re negotiating and putting bids in below asking prices. I think at this stage, given how critical it is that we sign players and the fact that a number of other teams around us appear to be competing for the same pool of players, I think we might need to put aside the “fair value” bids for once and just pay the money and get players on board, if we don’t, we’re going down, no guarantee we stay up with new blood, but the odds at least swing further towards it. | | | |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 18:53 - Jan 10 with 1148 views | TVRBlue |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 18:15 - Jan 10 by NeverSayDie |
As I referred to earlier, conversations take much longer when you’re negotiating and putting bids in below asking prices. I think at this stage, given how critical it is that we sign players and the fact that a number of other teams around us appear to be competing for the same pool of players, I think we might need to put aside the “fair value” bids for once and just pay the money and get players on board, if we don’t, we’re going down, no guarantee we stay up with new blood, but the odds at least swing further towards it. |
Thanks for your reasoned reply.
With regards asking prices we can't be held to ransom by the selling club trying to sell a player for more money than we, and other interested clubs, think they're worth. To my knowledge we haven't done this since Gamechanger/Ashton/McKenna came in to the club and we've managed two consecutive promotions with the players we have been happy with, fee wise.
If a player has a number of teams interested in him, and all the teams are prepared to pay the asking fee, then it is down to the players agent, and the clubs trying to sign the player, to agree a deal that is favourable for everyone, including for us trying to sell Ipswich and McKenna's style of football to the player we want, and I think this is what we (ITFC) are trying to do....probably with a number of players at the same time.
Furthermore, sometimes the selling team may not allow the deal to "get signed off" until they have landed the replacement player they want. It is sometimes issues created by other parties that takes the ability for any team, ITFC or otherwise, to not get incoming transfers completed as quickly as they, and us as supporters, would like.
I absolutely agree that if McKenna is able to strengthen and augment his playing squad during this transfer window (exactly as he has in previous transfer windows) it's likely we'll stand a better chance of staying up, but I wouldn't say we're definitely going down just yet, specially as we've already brought Godfrey and, subject to any last minute issues, Philogene in as well.
Anyway, Uppa Towen! | | | |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 19:27 - Jan 10 with 992 views | NeverSayDie |
| The Presser - hmmmmm on 18:53 - Jan 10 by TVRBlue |
Thanks for your reasoned reply.
With regards asking prices we can't be held to ransom by the selling club trying to sell a player for more money than we, and other interested clubs, think they're worth. To my knowledge we haven't done this since Gamechanger/Ashton/McKenna came in to the club and we've managed two consecutive promotions with the players we have been happy with, fee wise.
If a player has a number of teams interested in him, and all the teams are prepared to pay the asking fee, then it is down to the players agent, and the clubs trying to sign the player, to agree a deal that is favourable for everyone, including for us trying to sell Ipswich and McKenna's style of football to the player we want, and I think this is what we (ITFC) are trying to do....probably with a number of players at the same time.
Furthermore, sometimes the selling team may not allow the deal to "get signed off" until they have landed the replacement player they want. It is sometimes issues created by other parties that takes the ability for any team, ITFC or otherwise, to not get incoming transfers completed as quickly as they, and us as supporters, would like.
I absolutely agree that if McKenna is able to strengthen and augment his playing squad during this transfer window (exactly as he has in previous transfer windows) it's likely we'll stand a better chance of staying up, but I wouldn't say we're definitely going down just yet, specially as we've already brought Godfrey and, subject to any last minute issues, Philogene in as well.
Anyway, Uppa Towen! |
“Worth” doesn’t seem like a fitting term in football 😂 I think it’s scandalous the money chucked about in the game, but don’t see it changing any time soon. I digress! At the end of the day, a player is worth whatever somebody is willing to pay for them and if other clubs are happy to pay more than us, we are the only losers. We will absolutely be held to ransom by anybody and everybody and our position, both on and off pitch dictates as much, we have money backers, we have assets and we are in the relegation zone, selling clubs have us over a barrel.
I think you are right regarding matched bids, if other clubs are prepared to pay the same, then we have to sell ourselves to the player, on that basis, you wouldn’t be putting all your eggs in one basket, multiple lines of enquiry required, play the percentages.
In terms of “sign off” I don’t think we get held up by a club in that scenario, if they have a player for sale, in many cases it’s because they are surplus to requirements, or they need to sell to fund a purchase, either way they’d be keen to get things finalised fairly quickly. The hold ups occur, IMO, when you have a couple of clubs making bids; as you then wait for the seller to put their negotiating plan in place to extract more wedge and pit the buyers against each other; the agent then has several clubs to talk personal terms with etc, it becomes protracted; committing to an asking price gets things over the line more quickly and safely. These new “buy back” and “matching right” contracts are a bloody nightmare now too, as we’ve seen with Philogene, he’s cost us £4 million+ more than we’d agreed a few months ago (if whatever is holding this up ever gets resolved).
As per the username, what ive seen in the first 20 games has given me great confidence we can stay up, but that belief was predicated on having a good January window, it’s Black and White for me, the season hinges on the recruitment team IMO. | | | |
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