| Wolfenden and Burgess 15:46 - Jan 25 with 2384 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
Should be starting in my view, harshly dropped after playing better than the new signings. We don’t look as assured defensively without them. |  |
| An East Anglian Town overtaken by Londoners |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 15:47 - Jan 25 with 2353 views | pointofblue |
To put in bluntly, they couldn't be any worse. |  |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 15:51 - Jan 25 with 2297 views | Scuzzer |
IMO
Burgess better than Greeves at this moment in time.
Wolfenden is class on the ball and should be played in the centre of a three...a bit like a sweeper. |  |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 15:51 - Jan 25 with 2286 views | SaffronWaldenBlues |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 15:47 - Jan 25 by pointofblue |
To put in bluntly, they couldn't be any worse. |
Wolfenden played really well against Liverpool at home. | |
| An East Anglian Town overtaken by Londoners |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 15:53 - Jan 25 with 2261 views | Sarge |
They’re both better than the players that have been brought in to replace them. Which has sort of been a theme for this season. | | | |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 16:00 - Jan 25 with 2200 views | Nutkins_Return |
Burgess was playing in the last game which was 6-0. | |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 16:04 - Jan 25 with 2167 views | Horsham |
I know it’s hard but it’s bad enough us getting completely and utterly d!cked on without suffering these crap hot takes being pulled out of peoples arses. |  | | |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 18:38 - Jan 25 with 2035 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 15:53 - Jan 25 by Sarge |
They’re both better than the players that have been brought in to replace them. Which has sort of been a theme for this season. |
No they are not. | |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 18:39 - Jan 25 with 2019 views | pointofblue |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 18:38 - Jan 25 by Nutkins_Return |
No they are not. |
Maybe not at their ceiling, but we haven't seen enough from their replacements, particularly Greaves, to prove that. Woolfenden and Burgess have hardly let us down this season. | |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 18:40 - Jan 25 with 2002 views | Ryorry |
Accidental downvote, sorry, corrected. |  |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 18:57 - Jan 25 with 1922 views | AVJones |
The lack of consistency in selection at the back does seem an issue.
I get why Wolfie might not be seen as PL class, but he’s been dropped twice and both times when playing well, especially recently.
Burgess and Greaves seem to be playing one-in, one-out.
We’ve bought in Godfrey and then left him out after one full match.
And of course injuries to Axel have been a big factor.
A settled back line is so important. I hope next weeks team is the one he wants and he sticks with it. | | | |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 19:08 - Jan 25 with 1877 views | DavoIPB |
We don't looked assure defensively with them | | | |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 19:13 - Jan 25 with 1830 views | pointofblue |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 19:08 - Jan 25 by DavoIPB |
We don't looked assure defensively with them |
We're not going to look defensively secure whoever we play whilst the midfiled is so easy to play through. But Woolfenden is so key to us playing out of the back, and has looked decent in defence, whilst Burgess has been strong for the most part.
As said, all this could be down to expectation. After splashing out millions of pounds of centre backs, we should expect them to be a marked improvement. As of yet... | |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:29 - Jan 25 with 1696 views | Horsham |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 19:13 - Jan 25 by pointofblue |
We're not going to look defensively secure whoever we play whilst the midfiled is so easy to play through. But Woolfenden is so key to us playing out of the back, and has looked decent in defence, whilst Burgess has been strong for the most part.
As said, all this could be down to expectation. After splashing out millions of pounds of centre backs, we should expect them to be a marked improvement. As of yet... |
O’Shea v Wolfy. Sorry O’Shea’s miles ahead and I actually love Wolfy.
Greaves v Burgess. Burgess has probably done better than could reasonably be expected and it’s closer.
So I guess you’re half right in my opinion but I don’t think realistically anyone could be sure Burgess would do as well as he has. Even so I make Greaves the better player (just my opinion of course) | | | |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:34 - Jan 25 with 1669 views | pointofblue |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:29 - Jan 25 by Horsham |
O’Shea v Wolfy. Sorry O’Shea’s miles ahead and I actually love Wolfy.
Greaves v Burgess. Burgess has probably done better than could reasonably be expected and it’s closer.
So I guess you’re half right in my opinion but I don’t think realistically anyone could be sure Burgess would do as well as he has. Even so I make Greaves the better player (just my opinion of course) |
I downvoted but actually shouldn't have done. I don't think O'Shea is the standard of upgrade required for this level though, in a back four, is more suited to this level than Woolfenden. However, if we're playing a three I feel we need Woolfenden in the middle to help with distribution, with O'Shea on the right. I don't think he's suited to the central role. | |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:43 - Jan 25 with 1635 views | Horsham |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:34 - Jan 25 by pointofblue |
I downvoted but actually shouldn't have done. I don't think O'Shea is the standard of upgrade required for this level though, in a back four, is more suited to this level than Woolfenden. However, if we're playing a three I feel we need Woolfenden in the middle to help with distribution, with O'Shea on the right. I don't think he's suited to the central role. |
Not a problem. To be honest virtually every player in our squad stil has to prove they of the standard required at this level so that’s not unique to O’Shea. I’m just quite a bit more comfortable with his defensive work than Woolfie’s. | | | |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:46 - Jan 25 with 1617 views | BlueOura |
We don't look assured with them either frankly. Wolfy was poor against Brighton and was looking ragged against Jao Pedro in the second half, Burgess just started against City and well, we didnt exactly look solid did we. |  | | |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:49 - Jan 25 with 1594 views | pointofblue |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:43 - Jan 25 by Horsham |
Not a problem. To be honest virtually every player in our squad stil has to prove they of the standard required at this level so that’s not unique to O’Shea. I’m just quite a bit more comfortable with his defensive work than Woolfie’s. |
I think that is a slight concern when it comes to O'Shea as he's had a full year in the Premier League already. I assume the idea was for him to bring that experience to the forth, but I'm not sure if that's really showing. That's an issue when it comes to Johnson and Phillips too. | |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:57 - Jan 25 with 1518 views | BloomBlue |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:29 - Jan 25 by Horsham |
O’Shea v Wolfy. Sorry O’Shea’s miles ahead and I actually love Wolfy.
Greaves v Burgess. Burgess has probably done better than could reasonably be expected and it’s closer.
So I guess you’re half right in my opinion but I don’t think realistically anyone could be sure Burgess would do as well as he has. Even so I make Greaves the better player (just my opinion of course) |
O'Shea miles ahead? That first goal he ran towards the Liverpool player and threw himself at him like a kid in an under 10s team, made it so easy for the Liverpool player.
To be fair to Greaves, and I have been critical of him, I thought he was our best defender today. |  | | |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 21:02 - Jan 25 with 1498 views | Horsham |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:49 - Jan 25 by pointofblue |
I think that is a slight concern when it comes to O'Shea as he's had a full year in the Premier League already. I assume the idea was for him to bring that experience to the forth, but I'm not sure if that's really showing. That's an issue when it comes to Johnson and Phillips too. |
Look I think it’s a fair reflection of a club in 18th place. The players we have here haven’t proved they are good enough but there is still time. We had our arses handed to us in the last 2 games and I think we’ve been disappointing….but more collectively than individually. The main thing for me is that hopefully the lads can play with some confidence next week because that is the big one. | | | |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 21:05 - Jan 25 with 1472 views | Horsham |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:57 - Jan 25 by BloomBlue |
O'Shea miles ahead? That first goal he ran towards the Liverpool player and threw himself at him like a kid in an under 10s team, made it so easy for the Liverpool player.
To be fair to Greaves, and I have been critical of him, I thought he was our best defender today. |
He defended like a 9 year old? | | | |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 21:11 - Jan 25 with 1436 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 20:34 - Jan 25 by pointofblue |
I downvoted but actually shouldn't have done. I don't think O'Shea is the standard of upgrade required for this level though, in a back four, is more suited to this level than Woolfenden. However, if we're playing a three I feel we need Woolfenden in the middle to help with distribution, with O'Shea on the right. I don't think he's suited to the central role. |
I think O'Shea is the best defender we have had in years. Since last time we were in the Prem at the very least. Greaves has potential to be absolutely class as well.
FFS if we were playing Burgess and Woolf in their place let alone with them we would be absolutely smashed in this division. Premier league pace and incredibly agile, mobile skillful players would run riot in certain games.
Both are very good defenders and I think are doing a good job this season. But both absolutely demand pace alongside them. Woolf in particular can work in a 3 well.
BUT we are so unbelievably nostalgic about them we forget just how big a step in level this is. | |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 22:49 - Jan 25 with 1205 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 16:00 - Jan 25 by Nutkins_Return |
Burgess was playing in the last game which was 6-0. |
Yep and none of the goals came down his side |  | | |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 23:15 - Jan 25 with 1121 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 22:49 - Jan 25 by reusersfreekicks |
Yep and none of the goals came down his side |
His side? He was stood right next to Foden and failed to react for their 3rd I think it was. Listen I'm not having a pop at Burgess because I think he's a good defender. I just disagree with the rhetoric that putting Woolf and Burgess in would have a positive impact. O'shea and Greaves are superior players. They do have to build a partnership which will only get better but we need our best players in this league no question. We've just played the best two teams in this country who have been clearing up for years. | |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 23:21 - Jan 25 with 1111 views | pointofblue |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 23:15 - Jan 25 by Nutkins_Return |
His side? He was stood right next to Foden and failed to react for their 3rd I think it was. Listen I'm not having a pop at Burgess because I think he's a good defender. I just disagree with the rhetoric that putting Woolf and Burgess in would have a positive impact. O'shea and Greaves are superior players. They do have to build a partnership which will only get better but we need our best players in this league no question. We've just played the best two teams in this country who have been clearing up for years. |
I think the biggest issue is the chopping and changing at the back because of injury. We've had a reasonably settled back line over the past couple of series. I'm hoping McKenna's selection today was with one eye on Southampton/the rest of the season, particularly with the back five, even though I feel gutted for Woolfenden and Burgess after the work they put in to get here, and across this season so far. | |
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| Wolfenden and Burgess on 11:08 - Jan 26 with 866 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Wolfenden and Burgess on 23:21 - Jan 25 by pointofblue |
I think the biggest issue is the chopping and changing at the back because of injury. We've had a reasonably settled back line over the past couple of series. I'm hoping McKenna's selection today was with one eye on Southampton/the rest of the season, particularly with the back five, even though I feel gutted for Woolfenden and Burgess after the work they put in to get here, and across this season so far. |
Was always going to be sad to need to upgrade on players who achieved so much for us. But it's just required. | |
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