| Is it time for George Hirst? 13:47 - Feb 23 with 3813 views | Garv |
It's unlikely to result in a huge change in fortunes but it might make us a better attacking unit and help us create better chances instead of relying on Delap trying to do (almost) everything on his own, and aside from anything else he probably deserves it.
We've persisted with Delap - why wouldn't we have done? But it's not brought us results. Hirst has done admirably whenever he's had the opportunity, which hasn't been very often, partly due to fitness. |  |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 15:43 - Feb 23 with 825 views | pointofblue |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 15:27 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
But no one is asking hirst to have the same power and pace. Which btw is slightly wrong on the pace anyway he's somehow rapid this season.
But hirst knows how to work with those around him. Even KM spoke of delap and how he has to understand how to play with different players...
I just find it off if you're gonna develop youngsters all over the pitch and that sometimes includes some bench time. Do the same with delap.
It doesn't mean delaps done wrong. Not all. It's not saying he's poor not even close. Its just he's on his own development path and I'm surprised we've relied so heavily on someone so young this season.
You mentioned that first 3 minutes. Completely agree.
But what did we get after that? Alot of freekicks the other way. Some simple passes ignored whilst he tried to take on 3 spurs players with a roundabout turn on the ball and he lost it..
I honestly can't say I noticed delap outside those opening moments other than being a battering ram. And that's why I would like to see hirst to see if it changes anything. [Post edited 23 Feb 15:35]
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We didn't have a choice for half of the season - Hirst was injured and Al Hamidi not quite at the required level. Considering how Delap tore in to them at Portman Road, he should play against Manchester United on Wednesday, but the cup game may offer a chance to see what Hirst can do against Premier League opposition. |  |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:18 - Feb 23 with 793 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 15:43 - Feb 23 by pointofblue |
We didn't have a choice for half of the season - Hirst was injured and Al Hamidi not quite at the required level. Considering how Delap tore in to them at Portman Road, he should play against Manchester United on Wednesday, but the cup game may offer a chance to see what Hirst can do against Premier League opposition. |
Yeah totally appreciate hirst wasn't an option at one point. Be he's been available for a fair number of league games now. |  |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:25 - Feb 23 with 793 views | Herbivore |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 15:05 - Feb 23 by Illinoisblue |
THEY ARE PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALLERS. PLAYING 90 MINUTES KINDA COMES WITH THE JOB. |
The amount of work our forward players have to get through, they can only play at that intensity for 70-80 minutes. Hirst has had injury problems and Delap is young and playing his first season at this level. I'd rather not experiment with flogging them both into the ground for 90+ minutes every single week, I suspect it wouldn't end well. |  |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:29 - Feb 23 with 776 views | pointofblue |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:18 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Yeah totally appreciate hirst wasn't an option at one point. Be he's been available for a fair number of league games now. |
Though hasn't really made an impact so far. Maybe he would from the start, and having Delap as a fresh battering ram at 60, might benefit us in some games. | |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:32 - Feb 23 with 761 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:29 - Feb 23 by pointofblue |
Though hasn't really made an impact so far. Maybe he would from the start, and having Delap as a fresh battering ram at 60, might benefit us in some games. |
Yeah that's exactly my thoughts. I don't really see hirst as a finisher .. that's exactly the moment you want someone coming on who is a battering ram.
When you've got 60 minutes of transitional play time to utilise imo that ideal to utilise the striker who can really help with those transitions. | |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:40 - Feb 23 with 739 views | pointofblue |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:32 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Yeah that's exactly my thoughts. I don't really see hirst as a finisher .. that's exactly the moment you want someone coming on who is a battering ram.
When you've got 60 minutes of transitional play time to utilise imo that ideal to utilise the striker who can really help with those transitions. |
It's why I didn't understand yesterday's line up. Philogene and Clarke great options from the bench, due to the pace they provide. Hutchinson also has that, though has shown more substance from the start. My argument would be bringing on JP and JC on at the hour mark would help them make more of an impact than from the start, and perhaps help them bed in in a similar way to how we handled Hutchinson last year. | |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:42 - Feb 23 with 726 views | Illinoisblue |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:25 - Feb 23 by Herbivore |
The amount of work our forward players have to get through, they can only play at that intensity for 70-80 minutes. Hirst has had injury problems and Delap is young and playing his first season at this level. I'd rather not experiment with flogging them both into the ground for 90+ minutes every single week, I suspect it wouldn't end well. |
I cannot and will not fathom how we’ve normalized footballers not being able to play a full game. They play on perfect pitches, have specialized trainers, eat perfectly balanced meals and are generally in better condition than footballers have ever been in history …. And we’re supposed to accept they’re not capable of playing a whole game. As if footballers have never pressed or worked hard before. |  |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:43 - Feb 23 with 714 views | Herbivore |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:42 - Feb 23 by Illinoisblue |
I cannot and will not fathom how we’ve normalized footballers not being able to play a full game. They play on perfect pitches, have specialized trainers, eat perfectly balanced meals and are generally in better condition than footballers have ever been in history …. And we’re supposed to accept they’re not capable of playing a whole game. As if footballers have never pressed or worked hard before. |
Okay, mate. | |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:44 - Feb 23 with 707 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:40 - Feb 23 by pointofblue |
It's why I didn't understand yesterday's line up. Philogene and Clarke great options from the bench, due to the pace they provide. Hutchinson also has that, though has shown more substance from the start. My argument would be bringing on JP and JC on at the hour mark would help them make more of an impact than from the start, and perhaps help them bed in in a similar way to how we handled Hutchinson last year. |
I mean look at this
Hirst plays that ball allll day long. But no delap turns inside and looses the ball
How many times this season have we seen delap ignore davis. There was a reason davis was able to assist so much last season. But he needs the ball.
But yeah the finisher lineup yesterday was a bit unbalanced. | |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:50 - Feb 23 with 690 views | Illinoisblue |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:43 - Feb 23 by Herbivore |
Okay, mate. |
Anyway, I’m off to shout at the clouds. | |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:52 - Feb 23 with 679 views | Smoresy |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:44 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
I mean look at this
Hirst plays that ball allll day long. But no delap turns inside and looses the ball
How many times this season have we seen delap ignore davis. There was a reason davis was able to assist so much last season. But he needs the ball.
But yeah the finisher lineup yesterday was a bit unbalanced. |
Delap turns inside, advances the ball maybe 10 yards further and takes a shot, which is successfully dampened by a defender. I can't remember if the end result was a corner or routine save. | | | |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 17:34 - Feb 23 with 654 views | IThinkItsChaplin |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:44 - Feb 23 by FrimleyBlue |
I mean look at this
Hirst plays that ball allll day long. But no delap turns inside and looses the ball
How many times this season have we seen delap ignore davis. There was a reason davis was able to assist so much last season. But he needs the ball.
But yeah the finisher lineup yesterday was a bit unbalanced. |
I think it is a bit of a theme that our front players don't pass enough and just try to score themselves, particularly Delap, Enciso and Philogene, while Hutchinson and Broadhead sometimes overestimate their ability to skill the opposition. If we had Hirst and Chaplin up front they would link play better. Delap has far more potential than Hirst but wouldn't necessarily bring far better results. Personally I think Hirst for 60 minutes when shape is more important then Delap for 30 when we just have to go for it and hope for the best could work (Enciso and Philogene to come on at the same time), as Delap would be particularly effective against tired defenders. Weird to say when Delap is clearly our best player but I think it is worth a try.
Palmer
Tuanzebe
O'Shea
Burgess
Davis
Phillips
Cajuste
Hutchinson
Chaplin
Broadhead
Hirst
With Delap, Philogene, Szmodics, Clarke (Enciso when fit) and Morsy to come on, or Woolfenden instead of one of those attackers if we need to hold what we've got.
However, it is also possible that in a match that is going badly, knowing Delap could get one back effectively alone might be motivating for the rest of the team to fight harder. Certainly I would always start him against a top team. But maybe that motivation could still come knowing he will come off the bench. | | | |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 17:39 - Feb 23 with 645 views | pointofblue |
I get the argument. It's just difficult for me, considering how much he's given us this season, to now say Delap is the problem and needs to be dropped to the bench. Is that the case or are we stretching for a solution to the predicament we find ourselves in? | |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 17:45 - Feb 23 with 623 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 17:39 - Feb 23 by pointofblue |
I get the argument. It's just difficult for me, considering how much he's given us this season, to now say Delap is the problem and needs to be dropped to the bench. Is that the case or are we stretching for a solution to the predicament we find ourselves in? |
I think considering we've played various forwards. A couple of different defensive formations and played players in different versions of the 10s etc. Then it's absolutely worth trying something different uptop.
What's the worse that can happen. We continue not to win yet delap could come on score a goal keep his reputation going but the end result for the club is the same.
Or keep going with what's not working for results and get to the end of the season and wonder what if. | |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 22:31 - Feb 23 with 526 views | Garv |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 17:39 - Feb 23 by pointofblue |
I get the argument. It's just difficult for me, considering how much he's given us this season, to now say Delap is the problem and needs to be dropped to the bench. Is that the case or are we stretching for a solution to the predicament we find ourselves in? |
Don't think anyone is saying he is the problem, just that we could use him a different way, and for me George Hirst deserves a start or two.
Doesn't have to be for every remaining game by the way. | |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 22:39 - Feb 23 with 505 views | Garv |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:42 - Feb 23 by Illinoisblue |
I cannot and will not fathom how we’ve normalized footballers not being able to play a full game. They play on perfect pitches, have specialized trainers, eat perfectly balanced meals and are generally in better condition than footballers have ever been in history …. And we’re supposed to accept they’re not capable of playing a whole game. As if footballers have never pressed or worked hard before. |
Well they probably haven't ever pressed or worked as hard as they do now, on average. | |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 23:08 - Feb 23 with 481 views | Trequartista |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 16:42 - Feb 23 by Illinoisblue |
I cannot and will not fathom how we’ve normalized footballers not being able to play a full game. They play on perfect pitches, have specialized trainers, eat perfectly balanced meals and are generally in better condition than footballers have ever been in history …. And we’re supposed to accept they’re not capable of playing a whole game. As if footballers have never pressed or worked hard before. |
It's a balance really isn't? For example, if you literally run non-stop you probably won't make it to half time unless you're Mo Farah. So we ask forwards to do enough running so they're pretty much done on 75/80 minutes. They can play 90, just relatively cream-crackered for the last 10. |  |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 23:21 - Feb 23 with 454 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
I am a huge George Hirst fan. I can't wait to watch more of him next season.
The idea that we might become a better team without our best player, the guy who has almost singlehandedly dragged us to our points tally and will likely get and England call up this year is a crazy one imo.
If you wanted to play Hirst up top and Delap wide I can see that. Although leaves you thin on the bench. Anyone suggesting we should have a go without Delap on the pitch I think is just a bit bizarre. |  |
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| Is it time for George Hirst? on 23:53 - Feb 23 with 435 views | BlueForYou |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 22:39 - Feb 23 by Garv |
Well they probably haven't ever pressed or worked as hard as they do now, on average. |
Would it not make it so much easier for them to play together as a two? If not Delap & Hirst, try Szmodics up there or Chaplin. We simply have to try something different. Without goals we are down so why not? |  | | |
| Is it time for George Hirst? on 00:05 - Feb 24 with 428 views | Vaughan8 |
So we drop our (pretty much) only goal scorer?
I like Hirst, but Delap is another level up. Unless tactically it suits Hirst more, then definitely not.
Yes we might need to change something but taking Delap out is a last option/resort surely? | | | |
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