| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated 22:43 - Feb 24 with 2295 views | unstableblue |
When Axel has started Ipswich results
Played - 12
Won - 1
Drawn - 6
Loss - 5
PPG - 0.75
When Axel is missing or sub (1 game - 26mins against Man City)
Played - 14
Won - 2
Drawn - 2
Loss - 10
PPG - 0.57
Not a huge difference - But I think he makes us a much better team.
Damn that washing liquid bubble obscured washing up bowl
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| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form on 22:54 - Feb 24 with 2197 views | Trequartista |
one win and six draws from 12 games is not 1 point per game. |  |
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| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form on 22:56 - Feb 24 with 2185 views | Chocorange |
4 of the losses when he played were Liverpool home and away , Man City away so games we were not likely to get much out of anyway , and Forest away when he went off injured .
Has been in our top three players this season, makes such a difference. |  | | |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form on 22:57 - Feb 24 with 2166 views | unstableblue |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form on 22:54 - Feb 24 by Trequartista |
one win and six draws from 12 games is not 1 point per game. |
Whoops - updated | |
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| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form on 23:06 - Feb 24 with 2074 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form on 22:57 - Feb 24 by unstableblue |
Whoops - updated |
So losing the statistical significance |  | | |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 23:10 - Feb 24 with 2054 views | positivity |
on points per game tuanzebe is only slightly better than the team as a whole, but on the eye test he definitely makes the team stronger for me.
if you want the best player in terms of wins per game, it's definitely cieran slicker! (if you look at the premier league ppg it's ali al-hamadi, perhaps surprisingly...) [Post edited 24 Feb 23:11]
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| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form on 23:16 - Feb 24 with 2006 views | unstableblue |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form on 23:06 - Feb 24 by reusersfreekicks |
So losing the statistical significance |
We’d be on 20 points rather than 17 - which is not a vast change
So yes | |
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| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form on 23:23 - Feb 24 with 1973 views | positivity |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form on 23:16 - Feb 24 by unstableblue |
We’d be on 20 points rather than 17 - which is not a vast change
So yes |
a team of aahs puts us on over 21! | |
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| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form on 08:35 - Feb 25 with 1581 views | NthQldITFC |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form on 23:23 - Feb 24 by positivity |
a team of aahs puts us on over 21! |
What about a team of oohs?
League One and Championship we had two seasons full of oohs and aahs, so maybe that's the way to go? |  |
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| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 08:38 - Feb 25 with 1570 views | itfcjoe |
Was having this discussion to Blue Monday Telegram this morning, so will pull some stats out into it here
Goals conceded:
AT at right back - 20 from 12 vs 34 from 14.
DOS at right back - 7 from 5
Johnson, Clarke or Godfrey - 27 from 9
8 of the goals we conceded with AT in the team were Liverpool and City away, so it's 12 from 10 otherwise. DOS' 7 from 5 includes Arsenal away and Chelsea at home.
The rest's tally includes 4 shipped against West Ham, Brentford, Newcastle, Spurs... (Though some of the goals were conceded after the starting right back had been hooked)
For me, it's the eye test as much as anything, it feels when Tuanzebe plays we are generally pretty secure at RB, with a decent balance. When O'Shea has played there we have also looked very secure there but without much going the other way so not a great balance.
When Godfrey, Johnson or Clarke has played there, it has felt like the opposition have just seen us as weak there and just gone after us time and time again as hard as they can do.
I think most agreed Johnson with 100 games for West Ham under his belt would be a good signing and was a bit of a coup to get in the summer would be better than he has been, and him Tuanzebe and Clarke going in as the 3 RBs for the season left us in a decent spot.
When it was clear that that wasn't working outside Tuanzebe we went out and signed a former England international who had just earned a big move to Atalanta which hadn't worked out, with loads of experience in PL.
So think it's fair to say we've tried to get this sorted and it just hasn't worked out as anyone would've hoped/wamted/expected
Having Ogbene and Burns out for the season has hurt because those are the 2 all rounders who get back to support the full back, without offering zero going forwards liek Johnson does at times, BJ only really an option to play that right sided role in away games, it's too blunt to see him do it at home |  |
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| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 08:42 - Feb 25 with 1523 views | Len_Brennan |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 08:38 - Feb 25 by itfcjoe |
Was having this discussion to Blue Monday Telegram this morning, so will pull some stats out into it here
Goals conceded:
AT at right back - 20 from 12 vs 34 from 14.
DOS at right back - 7 from 5
Johnson, Clarke or Godfrey - 27 from 9
8 of the goals we conceded with AT in the team were Liverpool and City away, so it's 12 from 10 otherwise. DOS' 7 from 5 includes Arsenal away and Chelsea at home.
The rest's tally includes 4 shipped against West Ham, Brentford, Newcastle, Spurs... (Though some of the goals were conceded after the starting right back had been hooked)
For me, it's the eye test as much as anything, it feels when Tuanzebe plays we are generally pretty secure at RB, with a decent balance. When O'Shea has played there we have also looked very secure there but without much going the other way so not a great balance.
When Godfrey, Johnson or Clarke has played there, it has felt like the opposition have just seen us as weak there and just gone after us time and time again as hard as they can do.
I think most agreed Johnson with 100 games for West Ham under his belt would be a good signing and was a bit of a coup to get in the summer would be better than he has been, and him Tuanzebe and Clarke going in as the 3 RBs for the season left us in a decent spot.
When it was clear that that wasn't working outside Tuanzebe we went out and signed a former England international who had just earned a big move to Atalanta which hadn't worked out, with loads of experience in PL.
So think it's fair to say we've tried to get this sorted and it just hasn't worked out as anyone would've hoped/wamted/expected
Having Ogbene and Burns out for the season has hurt because those are the 2 all rounders who get back to support the full back, without offering zero going forwards liek Johnson does at times, BJ only really an option to play that right sided role in away games, it's too blunt to see him do it at home |
Perfectly summed up. | | | |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 09:10 - Feb 25 with 1416 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 08:38 - Feb 25 by itfcjoe |
Was having this discussion to Blue Monday Telegram this morning, so will pull some stats out into it here
Goals conceded:
AT at right back - 20 from 12 vs 34 from 14.
DOS at right back - 7 from 5
Johnson, Clarke or Godfrey - 27 from 9
8 of the goals we conceded with AT in the team were Liverpool and City away, so it's 12 from 10 otherwise. DOS' 7 from 5 includes Arsenal away and Chelsea at home.
The rest's tally includes 4 shipped against West Ham, Brentford, Newcastle, Spurs... (Though some of the goals were conceded after the starting right back had been hooked)
For me, it's the eye test as much as anything, it feels when Tuanzebe plays we are generally pretty secure at RB, with a decent balance. When O'Shea has played there we have also looked very secure there but without much going the other way so not a great balance.
When Godfrey, Johnson or Clarke has played there, it has felt like the opposition have just seen us as weak there and just gone after us time and time again as hard as they can do.
I think most agreed Johnson with 100 games for West Ham under his belt would be a good signing and was a bit of a coup to get in the summer would be better than he has been, and him Tuanzebe and Clarke going in as the 3 RBs for the season left us in a decent spot.
When it was clear that that wasn't working outside Tuanzebe we went out and signed a former England international who had just earned a big move to Atalanta which hadn't worked out, with loads of experience in PL.
So think it's fair to say we've tried to get this sorted and it just hasn't worked out as anyone would've hoped/wamted/expected
Having Ogbene and Burns out for the season has hurt because those are the 2 all rounders who get back to support the full back, without offering zero going forwards liek Johnson does at times, BJ only really an option to play that right sided role in away games, it's too blunt to see him do it at home |
Is it simply that Johnson and Godfrey are more wingbacks than fullbacks, but when Oshea or Axel play there, they are basically fullbacks..
We basically needed a Donacien who again was a cb/fullback,
I know Godfrey has in the past been a CB, but many historical fan thoughts were that he wasn't that great as a defender but provided lots of opportunities and support going forwards
I think both Johnson and Godfrey would have worked against Spurs in a back 5, but just simply not as a back 4.
So although we've brought players in, I don't think it's a case that we've tried to sort the right side out, we've not covered it correctly. |  |
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| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 09:13 - Feb 25 with 1400 views | NthQldITFC |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 08:38 - Feb 25 by itfcjoe |
Was having this discussion to Blue Monday Telegram this morning, so will pull some stats out into it here
Goals conceded:
AT at right back - 20 from 12 vs 34 from 14.
DOS at right back - 7 from 5
Johnson, Clarke or Godfrey - 27 from 9
8 of the goals we conceded with AT in the team were Liverpool and City away, so it's 12 from 10 otherwise. DOS' 7 from 5 includes Arsenal away and Chelsea at home.
The rest's tally includes 4 shipped against West Ham, Brentford, Newcastle, Spurs... (Though some of the goals were conceded after the starting right back had been hooked)
For me, it's the eye test as much as anything, it feels when Tuanzebe plays we are generally pretty secure at RB, with a decent balance. When O'Shea has played there we have also looked very secure there but without much going the other way so not a great balance.
When Godfrey, Johnson or Clarke has played there, it has felt like the opposition have just seen us as weak there and just gone after us time and time again as hard as they can do.
I think most agreed Johnson with 100 games for West Ham under his belt would be a good signing and was a bit of a coup to get in the summer would be better than he has been, and him Tuanzebe and Clarke going in as the 3 RBs for the season left us in a decent spot.
When it was clear that that wasn't working outside Tuanzebe we went out and signed a former England international who had just earned a big move to Atalanta which hadn't worked out, with loads of experience in PL.
So think it's fair to say we've tried to get this sorted and it just hasn't worked out as anyone would've hoped/wamted/expected
Having Ogbene and Burns out for the season has hurt because those are the 2 all rounders who get back to support the full back, without offering zero going forwards liek Johnson does at times, BJ only really an option to play that right sided role in away games, it's too blunt to see him do it at home |
That really does fit the eye test as you say. I think I've seen enough of Johnson to feel that (much like Clarke) his positioning, concentration and reaction times let him down a little. Godfrey looks like he's trying a bit too hard to be on the front foot and intercepting rather than jockeying and tracking and closing angles. All three look low on confidence which greatly exacerbates the problem.
If Axel is out I think the only sensible option now is O'Shea at RB with the excellent option of Woolfenden in the middle. Does anyone else think that Woolfy has gained a little pace this season? He's certainly more of a leader in there now too, more vocal and switched on organising others. If we go down, he will be absolutely excellent in the Championship but at the same time I'd hate to lose O'Shea who has been my POTS with Delap. | |
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| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 09:18 - Feb 25 with 1352 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 09:13 - Feb 25 by NthQldITFC |
That really does fit the eye test as you say. I think I've seen enough of Johnson to feel that (much like Clarke) his positioning, concentration and reaction times let him down a little. Godfrey looks like he's trying a bit too hard to be on the front foot and intercepting rather than jockeying and tracking and closing angles. All three look low on confidence which greatly exacerbates the problem.
If Axel is out I think the only sensible option now is O'Shea at RB with the excellent option of Woolfenden in the middle. Does anyone else think that Woolfy has gained a little pace this season? He's certainly more of a leader in there now too, more vocal and switched on organising others. If we go down, he will be absolutely excellent in the Championship but at the same time I'd hate to lose O'Shea who has been my POTS with Delap. |
If we went with a 3 5 2 perhaps we could utilise the talents of both oshea. Wolfenden and greaves. Have more midfielders to help win that battle and two up top. Even if it was more of a 3 5 1 1 with a roaming forward behind the striker. Something along those lines.
We can then utilise the wingbacks as wingbacks too.
The only issue then is we then have about 5 inverted 10s on the bench. | |
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| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 09:28 - Feb 25 with 1305 views | NthQldITFC |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 09:18 - Feb 25 by FrimleyBlue |
If we went with a 3 5 2 perhaps we could utilise the talents of both oshea. Wolfenden and greaves. Have more midfielders to help win that battle and two up top. Even if it was more of a 3 5 1 1 with a roaming forward behind the striker. Something along those lines.
We can then utilise the wingbacks as wingbacks too.
The only issue then is we then have about 5 inverted 10s on the bench. |
I do like that as a base for us, but only really IF Tuanzebe is unavailable because as you say it impacts things too much up front and removes space for Davis to operate in/from.
Perhaps a tweak on that is (what we have done a little at times recently with O'Shea particularly) to play three nominal centre backs, but allow one to operate as a third midfielder when trying to break up an attack. | |
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| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 13:50 - Feb 25 with 1028 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Tuanzebe inclusion Town form - updated on 09:28 - Feb 25 by NthQldITFC |
I do like that as a base for us, but only really IF Tuanzebe is unavailable because as you say it impacts things too much up front and removes space for Davis to operate in/from.
Perhaps a tweak on that is (what we have done a little at times recently with O'Shea particularly) to play three nominal centre backs, but allow one to operate as a third midfielder when trying to break up an attack. |
Yeah im quite suprised we haven't really tried it
off the ball its easy to go into a 5-4-1, on the ball you've got a lovely bank of 5 across that middle so if you do lose the ball higher up, it's not so easy for the opponents to bypass our midfield on the way back towards us, plus if they do go long down the flanks because our wingbacks have left space, we've always got a covering CB option and a midfielder to shuffle. | |
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