| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent 07:26 - Feb 27 with 3263 views | noggin |
Yes it's a huge amount of money, when you see it written down in isolation. However, the sad reality is, it's not nearly enough to buy a squad of players capable of competing in the PL in 2025. That was the task facing the club at the start of the season. This season, and last, are clear proof that a PL ready squad costs much more.
We can criticise individual performances and KM's tactics, but using the 140 million as a stick to beat the club with, is failing to put it into context. The money in the PL is obscene and sadly 140 million is peanuts. |  |
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| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 12:43 - Feb 27 with 753 views | baxterbasics |
It's not much really when you start with a base of zero Premier League players and need to build almost from scratch. To think £140M should see us chasing mid-table is very optimistic. |  |
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| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 13:21 - Feb 27 with 703 views | WeirdFishes |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 12:37 - Feb 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Childish comments deserve childish digs.
Saying "it’s conceivable we could have spent the money differently and had more points" is the sort of view a child might have (if perhaps not in those words).
It's just a nothing phrase, barely even worthy of discussion. Literally every team in every league in the world could say "it’s conceivable we could have spent the money differently and had more points." Equally "we could have spent the money differently and had less points" works just as well.
It's basically hindsight extraordinaire. |
Luckily in this scenario we have the benefit of hindsight.
If we were sat up in 12th place we’d all say we spent the money well.
As it stands, we’re heading down, I’m allowed to say we could have spent it better.
Of course it’s a simple point, somethings are simple. |  |
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| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 14:14 - Feb 27 with 676 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 13:21 - Feb 27 by WeirdFishes |
Luckily in this scenario we have the benefit of hindsight.
If we were sat up in 12th place we’d all say we spent the money well.
As it stands, we’re heading down, I’m allowed to say we could have spent it better.
Of course it’s a simple point, somethings are simple. |
Hindsight is not a good tool to make an argument with.
From ChatGPT;
Hindsight is often considered a poor argument tool because it relies on the knowledge of outcomes that were not available at the time decisions were made. When using hindsight, you're evaluating a situation after the fact, with full knowledge of how things turned out. This can lead to biased or unfair assessments, as it's easy to criticize decisions when you already know the results.
Here are a few reasons why hindsight is not a good argument tool:
Unfair judgment: It ignores the uncertainty and the limited information available at the time the decision was made. People can only make choices based on what they know at the moment, not based on future outcomes.
Misses the context: Hindsight often overlooks the complexity or challenges of the situation. When you know the result, you might forget the difficulties or risks that were involved when the decision was made.
Confirmation bias: Hindsight can make you more likely to spot patterns or explanations that fit the outcome, even if those patterns weren’t actually there before. It reinforces the tendency to interpret events in a way that aligns with the current knowledge.
Learning and growth: Using hindsight to criticize past actions can discourage people from taking risks or making decisions in the future. It can create a culture where individuals are afraid to act, knowing they’ll be judged based on results they couldn’t foresee.
Overconfidence in predictions: When hindsight is used to argue a point, it can lead people to believe that outcomes were obvious or easy to predict, even though they may not have been. This creates an illusion of perfect foresight, leading to overconfidence in making future predictions.
In debates or arguments, it’s more effective to evaluate decisions based on the information and context available at the time rather than judging them with the benefit of knowing how things turned out. |  |
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| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 14:16 - Feb 27 with 668 views | WeirdFishes |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 14:14 - Feb 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Hindsight is not a good tool to make an argument with.
From ChatGPT;
Hindsight is often considered a poor argument tool because it relies on the knowledge of outcomes that were not available at the time decisions were made. When using hindsight, you're evaluating a situation after the fact, with full knowledge of how things turned out. This can lead to biased or unfair assessments, as it's easy to criticize decisions when you already know the results.
Here are a few reasons why hindsight is not a good argument tool:
Unfair judgment: It ignores the uncertainty and the limited information available at the time the decision was made. People can only make choices based on what they know at the moment, not based on future outcomes.
Misses the context: Hindsight often overlooks the complexity or challenges of the situation. When you know the result, you might forget the difficulties or risks that were involved when the decision was made.
Confirmation bias: Hindsight can make you more likely to spot patterns or explanations that fit the outcome, even if those patterns weren’t actually there before. It reinforces the tendency to interpret events in a way that aligns with the current knowledge.
Learning and growth: Using hindsight to criticize past actions can discourage people from taking risks or making decisions in the future. It can create a culture where individuals are afraid to act, knowing they’ll be judged based on results they couldn’t foresee.
Overconfidence in predictions: When hindsight is used to argue a point, it can lead people to believe that outcomes were obvious or easy to predict, even though they may not have been. This creates an illusion of perfect foresight, leading to overconfidence in making future predictions.
In debates or arguments, it’s more effective to evaluate decisions based on the information and context available at the time rather than judging them with the benefit of knowing how things turned out. |
Using Chat GPT to make your point isn’t a great look either.
Enjoy your day, maybe take a walk outside, try not to let my opinion bother you too much. | |
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| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 14:17 - Feb 27 with 665 views | itfcsuth |
Gross spend is £150m (just shy) for the year, the reality in my mind is that was enough to build a squad to finish 17th in the PL.
The group from the Championship was a special group, it had built the dynamics of the perfect balance between culture, cohesion and talent. That group reached 96 points at it's first attempt (6 ahead of Leeds, 10 ahead of Southampton) - it was a special group.
For me what is disappointing is that we didn't need more very good Championship players, we had them in house (and in my opinion between as a collective than what we have bought in).
We needed real PL upgrades, and £150m can get you that, but we simply were not good enough in the transfer market at identifying and then spending well & wise to do so. [Post edited 27 Feb 14:29]
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| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 14:24 - Feb 27 with 626 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 14:16 - Feb 27 by WeirdFishes |
Using Chat GPT to make your point isn’t a great look either.
Enjoy your day, maybe take a walk outside, try not to let my opinion bother you too much. |
It was just quicker and easier, and I don't know where my crayons are.
Your reply is nae but a swerve.
Your opinion doesn't bother me, I'm just explaining why it's wrong. | |
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| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 14:28 - Feb 27 with 602 views | WeirdFishes |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 14:24 - Feb 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It was just quicker and easier, and I don't know where my crayons are.
Your reply is nae but a swerve.
Your opinion doesn't bother me, I'm just explaining why it's wrong. |
I think it is, but that’s just my opinion. Like I said, enjoy your day. | |
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| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 14:30 - Feb 27 with 591 views | tractorboy1978 |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 14:17 - Feb 27 by itfcsuth |
Gross spend is £150m (just shy) for the year, the reality in my mind is that was enough to build a squad to finish 17th in the PL.
The group from the Championship was a special group, it had built the dynamics of the perfect balance between culture, cohesion and talent. That group reached 96 points at it's first attempt (6 ahead of Leeds, 10 ahead of Southampton) - it was a special group.
For me what is disappointing is that we didn't need more very good Championship players, we had them in house (and in my opinion between as a collective than what we have bought in).
We needed real PL upgrades, and £150m can get you that, but we simply were not good enough in the transfer market at identifying and then spending well & wise to do so. [Post edited 27 Feb 14:29]
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We didn't have very good Championship players. We had a lot of players that had punched well above their weight individually to finish 2nd last season. Last season was built on cohesion and the collective rather than having a raft of top end Championship players. What we've done is recruited in a manner which means we will have a genuinely top level Championship squad next season. |  | | |
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| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 14:38 - Feb 27 with 552 views | Broadbent23 |
The Premier League financial rules have this league almost a closed shop. A £400m squad would survive, but a promoted side cannot achieve this without breaking the rules. The manager has had to achieved success from different countries to adapt to the international assortment of players playing in the PL. Since our great years of the 70s and 80s top flight football has changed from recreation sport to scientific conundrum. An offside is dictated by a knee. In the future we could have robots as refs. Whatever way this season ends our club will be in a healthier condition without Marcus Evans at the helm. | | | |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 15:38 - Feb 27 with 499 views | itfcsuth |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 14:30 - Feb 27 by tractorboy1978 |
We didn't have very good Championship players. We had a lot of players that had punched well above their weight individually to finish 2nd last season. Last season was built on cohesion and the collective rather than having a raft of top end Championship players. What we've done is recruited in a manner which means we will have a genuinely top level Championship squad next season. |
Such a silly a comment to suggest we didn't have very good Championship players - after literally watching them perform at such a high level in the Championship. | | | |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 15:45 - Feb 27 with 483 views | tractorboy1978 |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 15:38 - Feb 27 by itfcsuth |
Such a silly a comment to suggest we didn't have very good Championship players - after literally watching them perform at such a high level in the Championship. |
Other than Davis (and Omari who was on loan) none of them would have been wanted by Prem teams this summer. And most of them would be nowhere near as good or effective in other Championship teams. We caught a lightening in a bottle season managed by a phenomenal manager and with huge momentum. It's the sort of squad Luton got promoted with and are now really struggling with this season. | | | |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 16:15 - Feb 27 with 433 views | itfcsuth |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 15:45 - Feb 27 by tractorboy1978 |
Other than Davis (and Omari who was on loan) none of them would have been wanted by Prem teams this summer. And most of them would be nowhere near as good or effective in other Championship teams. We caught a lightening in a bottle season managed by a phenomenal manager and with huge momentum. It's the sort of squad Luton got promoted with and are now really struggling with this season. |
Of course they wouldn't have made a move, but that isn't uncommon, it's is only commonly 1 or 2 from a single team that moves up to the PL from the Championship if we hadn't have been promoted.
But we were promoted, with 96 points, against 3 heavy relegated sides, plus other big hitters in the league.
You don't do that if you aren't special. | | | |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 16:21 - Feb 27 with 402 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 08:58 - Feb 27 by WeirdFishes |
They’re just examples, I get wages come into play.
I’m just suggesting that it’s conceivable we could have spent the money differently and had more points. |
Armchair fantasy football is very easy isn't it. | | | |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 16:28 - Feb 27 with 376 views | dirtyboy |
| People keep banging on about the 140 million quid spent on 16:15 - Feb 27 by itfcsuth |
Of course they wouldn't have made a move, but that isn't uncommon, it's is only commonly 1 or 2 from a single team that moves up to the PL from the Championship if we hadn't have been promoted.
But we were promoted, with 96 points, against 3 heavy relegated sides, plus other big hitters in the league.
You don't do that if you aren't special. |
They were special, but we also didn't really outplay Leeds, Leicester or Southampton last year. We had a little luck along the way (although this group did make their own luck) and just about got it over the line.
The single thing that has stood out for me this season is that the PL is a different beast.
There's good reason some players in the teams we're playing are worth £30, 40, 50m....because they're good. Really good.
We're talking the very best footballers in the entire world.
When you see those players against players who'd done an admirable job the past two seasons, it's as clear as night and day that they're simply just better.
Even Delap, he's been good, but still got a long way to go and was £15m
Hutchinson, unreal last season, now looks ordinary.
Leif, best LB in the league. Yep. Ordinary.
Jack Clarke, unplayable last season...now...ordinary.
Now i'm not for one second suggesting those players won't get better, because I do believe they'll contonue to improve, but we're coming up against amazing athletes week in and week out. It's a gap too far too soon.
As mentioned, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Would we be any worse off had we stuck with the same team? Maybe, maybe not....you can bet your left testicle though the fanbase would be up in arms for 'not being ambitious'.
The club literally can't win.
They've had a go though. None of us were complaining when the signings were coming in.
Hindsight....wouldn't have signed Muric, might be 6 points better off alone on that.
Ogbene might have made a difference.
OR
Could have signed Broja Cat.
It's futile. We are where we are, squad does now look a little disheartened and I feel sorry for them. Not over till it's over, but last night did take the wind out of my sails and i'm pretty optimistic, so I can understand those half glass empty fellas being all over the criticism today. |  | | |
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