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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. 22:58 - Mar 14 with 11507 views

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/14/blockers-checkers-bats-and-chai

'Starmer’s language has been praised by the rightwing Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA), a thinktank that was closely associated with Liz Truss.

Tom Clougherty, the executive director of the IEA, said: “Increasingly, the government is getting its rhetoric right. But its actions haven’t quite caught up. The British state is overloaded and that hurts both public services and the private sector. Changing structures might help, but ultimately government just needs to stop doing some things altogether.”

Starmer’s shift to using more robust language has increased in his eight months as prime minister. He said he would “build, baby, build” to meet his pledge on more housing, channelling Trump’s mantra of “drill, baby, drill”.'

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 18:18 - Mar 16 with 1753 views

BanksterDebtSlave

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 17:19 - Mar 16 by gtsb1966
Funny you should say that. Meeting an old work mate I haven't seen since 2017 on the 12th of April. Guess what his skin colour is....

Well hopefully you will not assume that all black people are the same as him in the same way you seem to have judged all PIP recipients based on someone you 'know!'

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 18:26 - Mar 16 with 1749 views

BanksterDebtSlave

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 16:51 - Mar 16 by The_Flashing_Smile

You answered several other posts in the thread after mine so the "I was busy" defence doesn't wash.

I also didn't say you were up in arms about the farmers thing, it was just an example of a thing some people thought was big.

"pandering to right wing narratives" is just another soundbite, which is what you're all about. I'm not remotely right wing and don't see what this government is doing that is supposedly right wing. I see them trying to balance the books after being handed a pile of dung on a plate.

Maybe click on my profile and look at when I posted on this thread and get back to me Dollers. Also regarding Labour being right wing perhaps give Ryorry's contribution a read. Neo Conservatism was rebranded neo Liberalism but it's still the same thing and all 3 of our main parties are fully on board.

	"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 18:37 - Mar 16 with 1719 views

gtsb1966

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 18:18 - Mar 16 by BanksterDebtSlave
Well hopefully you will not assume that all black people are the same as him in the same way you seem to have judged all PIP recipients based on someone you 'know!'

Some people I know. Get it right.

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 20:04 - Mar 16 with 1664 views

BanksterDebtSlave

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 18:37 - Mar 16 by gtsb1966
Some people I know. Get it right.

Oh ok it's just that it was "so many" originally. Get it right.

	"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 20:06 - Mar 16 with 1653 views

BanksterDebtSlave

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 11:19 - Mar 16 by J2BLUE
My point is, you want it to match what you believe but is that the position of the country as a whole? I don't think it is.

What is "it" and what do I believe?

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 20:45 - Mar 16 with 1620 views

The_Flashing_Smile

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 18:26 - Mar 16 by BanksterDebtSlave
Maybe click on my profile and look at when I posted on this thread and get back to me Dollers. Also regarding Labour being right wing perhaps give Ryorry's contribution a read. Neo Conservatism was rebranded neo Liberalism but it's still the same thing and all 3 of our main parties are fully on board.

I don't need to click on your profile, it's all there on page 1. You replied to 4 other posts, after I posted mine, yesterday morning.

Trust the process. Trust Phil.

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 21:22 - Mar 16 with 1580 views

BanksterDebtSlave

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 20:45 - Mar 16 by The_Flashing_Smile
I don't need to click on your profile, it's all there on page 1. You replied to 4 other posts, after I posted mine, yesterday morning.

Yeah I had a busy 20 minutes there didn’t I. Obviously your post required lots more research due to it's made up figures and to be honest none of the stuff you referred to felt particularly significant....well apart from the made up school stuff that is.

	"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 21:40 - Mar 16 with 1565 views

gtsb1966

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 20:04 - Mar 16 by BanksterDebtSlave
Oh ok it's just that it was "so many" originally. Get it right.

2 are White and one is black. All milking the system.

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 08:56 - Mar 17 with 1408 views

The_Flashing_Smile

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 21:22 - Mar 16 by BanksterDebtSlave
Yeah I had a busy 20 minutes there didn’t I. Obviously your post required lots more research due to it's made up figures and to be honest none of the stuff you referred to felt particularly significant....well apart from the made up school stuff that is.

When will you ever stop wriggling?!?

First you claimed you spent the morning in the garden.
Then I pointed out you answered several other posts in the thread after mine.
You replied, "Maybe look at when I posted on this thread and get back to me."
I did: "It's all there on page 1, you replied to 4 other posts"
And now you're admitting you did reply to other posts but that mine "required lots more research"!

This is all a bit embarrassing isn't it?

As I've said, there's no point debating with you. You don't want a debate, you want to just post your daily cut and paste that knocks Labour because you're still butt-hurt over Corbyn being ousted. You either ignore facts or belittle them (I predicted you'd do one or the other and you actually did both) then you lie about not being able to reply despite replying to others... and finally when caught bang-to-rights the excuse shifts to, "Well I needed more research".

Utterly, utterly embarrassing.

Trust the process. Trust Phil.

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 09:04 - Mar 17 with 1365 views

BanksterDebtSlave

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 08:56 - Mar 17 by The_Flashing_Smile

I'll leave you to your assumptions and presumptions Dolly. You will find me stood in a corner somewhere hanging my head in shame and flushed with embarrassment. Now, excuse me I have more gardening to do.

Enjoy Tory-lite.

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 09:04 - Mar 17 with 1365 views

J2BLUE

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 08:56 - Mar 17 by The_Flashing_Smile

There's no point trying to engage.

He's ignored the point I made and asked what he believes. A tactic he uses when he can't answer the question.

I'm out.

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 09:14 - Mar 17 with 1345 views

The_Flashing_Smile

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 09:04 - Mar 17 by BanksterDebtSlave
I'll leave you to your assumptions and presumptions Dolly. You will find me stood in a corner somewhere hanging my head in shame and flushed with embarrassment. Now, excuse me I have more gardening to do. Enjoy Tory-lite.

Trust the process. Trust Phil.

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 12:36 - Mar 17 with 1220 views

SuperKieranMcKenna

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 18:26 - Mar 16 by BanksterDebtSlave
Maybe click on my profile and look at when I posted on this thread and get back to me Dollers. Also regarding Labour being right wing perhaps give Ryorry's contribution a read. Neo Conservatism was rebranded neo Liberalism but it's still the same thing and all 3 of our main parties are fully on board.

Anyone mildly to the right of Lenin is called a ‘neo-liberal’ by the social media talking heads. If he’s a free marketeer he’s doing a terrible job of it:-

- Spooked the markets with additional borrowing rather than pursuing cuts.
- Bringing rail operators back into state ownership.
- Put additional taxes on business (NI)

None of which are remotely in the interests of the private sector.

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 13:01 - Mar 17 with 1178 views

BanksterDebtSlave

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 09:04 - Mar 17 by J2BLUE
There's no point trying to engage. He's ignored the point I made and asked what he believes. A tactic he uses when he can't answer the question. I'm out.

Some one you have way too much spare time. What point have you made and what did you want to know?

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 13:05 - Mar 17 with 1165 views

BanksterDebtSlave

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 09:14 - Mar 17 by The_Flashing_Smile

#behind.
I still see nothing in your list to convince me to cheer Labour on. Sorry about that Dollers

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 13:29 - Mar 17 with 1137 views

The_Flashing_Smile

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 13:05 - Mar 17 by BanksterDebtSlave
#behind. I still see nothing in your list to convince me to cheer Labour on. Sorry about that Dollers

No, I'm sure you don't. And I'm sure you never will whilst the left aren't running the show. That's why, as J2 says, there's no point debating with you. You ask for evidence, I give you a list, and you say, "yeah, but not that list". Rinse and repeat.

Trust the process. Trust Phil.

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 17:27 - Mar 17 with 998 views

dickie

Like it did when I voted for them - the lesser of two evils.

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 17:51 - Mar 17 with 983 views

Mullet

I was really disappointed with Wes Streetings comments on mental health and people being over diagnosed etc.

The right wing press and far right social media channels who have constantly attacked Labour were gifted something there. I didn’t expect Atlee 2.0 but it’s saddened me just how careful Starmer and Labour have been to try not to enrage the Heil and other such rags. Streeting was quite impressive in the run up to the election, but he could have said the same thing in a totally different framing. Talked about fixing things not punching down.

It goes to show how politically ignorant the general population or just how tired they are after the Tory destruction. I get just blaming them won’t go over well if there’s nothing else to add, but the government seem to really struggle with communication- it sometimes feels they’re giving uni lectures to a reception class.

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 18:15 - Mar 17 with 930 views

DJR

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 17:51 - Mar 17 by Mullet

I can't say I've ever liked Streeting, and he's not even a mental health professional.

As it is, what he is saying does not even represent the consensus view in the country.

This from the Guardian.

According to polling by YouGov, almost four out of 10 people (37%) seem agree with Streeting that getting a diagnosis is too easy. But 32% say getting a diagnosis is too hard, and 14% say the balance is about right – meaning at last 46% don’t agree with Streeting.

(Streeting talked about there being “overdiagnosis” of mental health conditions, whereas YouGov asked about it being “too easy” to get a diagnosis; the terms have different connotations, although roughly they imply the same thing.)

The polling also found considerable differences between demographic groups on this issue.

Women are more likely to say getting a diagnosis is too hard, not too easy – while men are more likely to say the opposite.

The under-50s are more likely to say getting a diagnosis is too hard, not too easy – while the over-50s are more likely to say the opposite.

People from London and Scotland are more likely to say getting a diagnosis is too hard, not too easy – while people from the rest of Britain are more likely to say the opposite.

And Labour and Lib Dem supporters are more likely to say getting a diagnosis is too hard, not too easy – while Conservative and Reform UK supporters are more likely to say the opposite.

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 18:24 - Mar 17 with 904 views

Dubtractor

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 17:51 - Mar 17 by Mullet

Agree with all of that. There has been too much throwing red meat to the mail for my liking. If a tory health minister had said what Streeting did about mental health, a lot in thus thread would jump to condemn them. Likewise if the tories were throwing around this number of proposed cuts to public service and welfare spending.

It's by no means all bad, and I've seen plenty to be encouraged by, but the jury is out just for now.

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 19:32 - Mar 17 with 829 views

J2BLUE

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 18:24 - Mar 17 by Dubtractor

Completely agree.

I have been impressed with Starmer's handling of Ukraine but domestically there is plenty to question.

I think they are limited in what they can do. Partly because of the Tories cutting national insurance and partly because of their daft pre-election promises. 20-30 less MPs and much more room to change things would have been a good compromise.

Perhaps at the next local elections they should add a question on whether they should raise national insurance back with 1p going to the NHS and 1p going to defence. That way they could hopefully get permission from the people and no one would be able to say they broke their manifesto (except the Tories, but any real damage would be mitigated).

If they laid it out honestly saying things were worse than we thought, your taxes would allow us to do this and this then people might go for it.

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 20:29 - Mar 17 with 750 views

flykickingbybgunn

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 19:32 - Mar 17 by J2BLUE

I agree that Starmer is coming out very well on the international stage. Good for him.
However I believe this discussion has ignored the elephant in the room.
( No not that elephant).

I mean that this government was elected with the support of only 21% of the available electorate. Reform is currently romping away with the popular vote. The upcoming by-election is going to show what the people in a "safe" Labour want.

Starmer is aware of his vulnerabilty and is trying to win back those voters. And that means to some extent adopting some "reform" type policies.
It's the voters see. In the end they have the final say.

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 20:50 - Mar 17 with 706 views

DJR

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/17/keir-starmer-to-unveil-drastic-d

I have it on good authority that when the disability benefit cuts are announced tomorrow the lectern that Liz Kendal uses will have the slogan

"You're just another burden on the welfare state."

Morgan McSweeney had wanted "Starve the vulnerable" but was overruled.

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 21:24 - Mar 17 with 650 views

Swansea_Blue

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 17:51 - Mar 17 by Mullet

I wouldn’t trust him to deliver my milk. I really don’t like his principles (lack of) and his general demeanour. That’s not political either; purely based on how he operates.

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All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 21:28 - Mar 17 with 635 views

GiveusanI

All you Labour voters, how's it feel so far. on 08:00 - Mar 15 by DJR

I am still a Labour party man but am no longer a Labour party member because the Labour party isn't the Labour party anymore.

The fact is that the Labour government is doing things that many would absolutely condemn the Tories for.

And there are alternatives given the changed World situation. Indeed, Germany is going down this route.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/15/economists-urge-rachel-reeves-t

PPE at Oxford has a lot to answer for because they all end up thinking the same, and that thinking has led to little in the way of real growth since the great recession.

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