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Be Careful who your friends are by Oldsmoker24 Mar 21:07 You couldn't make this up.
The planning for the recent bombing of the Houtis in Yemen by the USA was given to a journalist as it happened.
Jeffrey Goldberg, editor of the Atlantic Magazine was included in a Group Text discussion by top Trump Officials - Hegseth, Miller, Vance. Waltz etc.
It was a mistake to do so and Goldberg thought it was a spoof or a trap by an organization that was trying to embarass the Atlantic.
It wasn't and he realised it was real when the bombs started dropping.
The incompetence of the Trump administration is now beyond a joke.
There are many videos covering it - Times Radio but this is a good one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jDOoIO93Q
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So who is using the Signal app? on 22:04 - Mar 24 with 1756 views
So who is using the Signal app? on 22:04 - Mar 24 by Oldsmoker
Cheers for the shout out. OMG someone actually reads my posts
Kudos where it is due my friend! I'm glad you found my post
Do you have a signal account?
In all seriousness though using any publicly available app whether e2e or no to discuss such sensitive government topics is ludicrous. Even aside from "accidentally" adding someone into a group chat....
So who is using the Signal app? on 23:26 - Mar 24 by WicklowBlue
Kudos where it is due my friend! I'm glad you found my post
Do you have a signal account?
In all seriousness though using any publicly available app whether e2e or no to discuss such sensitive government topics is ludicrous. Even aside from "accidentally" adding someone into a group chat....
I must confess I’d never heard of Signal App. Signal was the name of a Nazi publication in WW2 oddly.
I’m guessing it works like any other messaging system. Quite how this mess up with the new US masters of the universe could occur is utterly beyond me. It’s beyond amateur. It’s down right dangerous, but I see they and trump have done a snow job on it.
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So who is using the Signal app? on 11:50 - Mar 26 with 1256 views
So who is using the Signal app? on 12:55 - Mar 26 by Ryorry
What's the latest from the Oval Office?
Here are the plans, Ryorry - I'm guessing you're more or less top brass and have full clearance, if not never mind, we can always blame you for setting up your TWTD account all those years ago just to trap us:
So who is using the Signal app? on 12:57 - Mar 26 by NthQldITFC
Here are the plans, Ryorry - I'm guessing you're more or less top brass and have full clearance, if not never mind, we can always blame you for setting up your TWTD account all those years ago just to trap us:
So who is using the Signal app? on 12:57 - Mar 26 by NthQldITFC
Here are the plans, Ryorry - I'm guessing you're more or less top brass and have full clearance, if not never mind, we can always blame you for setting up your TWTD account all those years ago just to trap us:
So who is using the Signal app? on 12:57 - Mar 26 by NthQldITFC
Here are the plans, Ryorry - I'm guessing you're more or less top brass and have full clearance, if not never mind, we can always blame you for setting up your TWTD account all those years ago just to trap us:
I can’t see the Atlantic article without signing up, but from Guardian’s article attached I’m guessing there’s more to it than dishing out the abuse towards their despised enemies U.K. and Europe. I notice that the people asking questions yesterday said that if the info wasn’t sensitive, let’s have a transcript in the public domain now.
As a good Authoritarian possibly single party state going forward, my guess is that beyond the snow jobs, down playing and lies, they’ll do everything they can to get outlets who or not ‘on message’ shut down.
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So who is using the Signal app? on 13:34 - Mar 26 with 1114 views
So who is using the Signal app? on 13:13 - Mar 26 by Churchman
I can’t see the Atlantic article without signing up, but from Guardian’s article attached I’m guessing there’s more to it than dishing out the abuse towards their despised enemies U.K. and Europe. I notice that the people asking questions yesterday said that if the info wasn’t sensitive, let’s have a transcript in the public domain now.
As a good Authoritarian possibly single party state going forward, my guess is that beyond the snow jobs, down playing and lies, they’ll do everything they can to get outlets who or not ‘on message’ shut down.
My last free article apparently, so here's a few snippets for you -
"We (ie Atlantic) believe that people should see the texts in order to reach their own conclusions. There is a clear public interest in disclosing the sort of information that Trump advisers included in nonsecure communications channels, especially because senior administration figures are attempting to downplay the significance of the messages that were shared.
Experts have repeatedly told us that use of a Signal chat for such sensitive discussions poses a threat to national security. As a case in point, Goldberg received information on the attacks two hours before the scheduled start of the bombing of Houthi positions. If this information—particularly the exact times American aircraft were taking off for Yemen—had fallen into the wrong hands in that crucial two-hour period, American pilots and other American personnel could have been exposed to even greater danger than they ordinarily would face. The Trump administration is arguing that the military information contained in these texts was not classified—as it typically would be—although the president has not explained how he reached this conclusion.
A CIA spokesperson asked us to withhold the name of John Ratcliffe’s chief of staff, which Ratcliffe had shared in the Signal chain, because CIA intelligence officers are traditionally not publicly identified. Ratcliffe had testified earlier yesterday that the officer is not undercover and said it was “completely appropriate” to share their name in the Signal conversation. We will continue to withhold the name of the officer. Otherwise, the messages are unredacted.
At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”
The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:
“1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)” “1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)” Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi “Target Terrorist,” was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.
The Hegseth text then continued:
“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)” “1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)” “1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.” “MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)” “We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security. “Godspeed to our Warriors.” Shortly after, Vice President J. D. Vance texted the group, “I will say a prayer for victory.”
At 1:48 p.m., Waltz sent the following text, containing real-time intelligence about conditions at an attack site, apparently in Sanaa: “VP. Building collapsed. Had multiple positive ID. Pete, Kurilla, the IC, amazing job.” Waltz was referring here to Hegseth; General Michael E. Kurilla, the commander of Central Command; and the intelligence community, or IC. The reference to “multiple positive ID” suggests that U.S. intelligence had ascertained the identities of the Houthi target, or targets, using either human or technical assets.
Six minutes later, the vice president, apparently confused by Waltz’s message, wrote, “What?”
At 2 p.m., Waltz responded: “Typing too fast. The first target – their top missile guy – we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend’s building and it’s now collapsed.”
Vance responded a minute later: “Excellent.” Thirty-five minutes after that, Ratcliffe, the CIA director, wrote, “A good start,” which Waltz followed with a text containing a fist emoji, an American-flag emoji, and a fire emoji. The Houthi-run Yemeni health ministry reported that at least 53 people were killed in the strikes, a number that has not been independently verified.
Later that afternoon, Hegseth posted: “CENTCOM was/is on point.” Notably, he then told the group that attacks would be continuing. “Great job all. More strikes ongoing for hours tonight, and will provide full initial report tomorrow. But on time, on target, and good readouts so far.”
So who is using the Signal app? on 13:34 - Mar 26 by Ryorry
My last free article apparently, so here's a few snippets for you -
"We (ie Atlantic) believe that people should see the texts in order to reach their own conclusions. There is a clear public interest in disclosing the sort of information that Trump advisers included in nonsecure communications channels, especially because senior administration figures are attempting to downplay the significance of the messages that were shared.
Experts have repeatedly told us that use of a Signal chat for such sensitive discussions poses a threat to national security. As a case in point, Goldberg received information on the attacks two hours before the scheduled start of the bombing of Houthi positions. If this information—particularly the exact times American aircraft were taking off for Yemen—had fallen into the wrong hands in that crucial two-hour period, American pilots and other American personnel could have been exposed to even greater danger than they ordinarily would face. The Trump administration is arguing that the military information contained in these texts was not classified—as it typically would be—although the president has not explained how he reached this conclusion.
A CIA spokesperson asked us to withhold the name of John Ratcliffe’s chief of staff, which Ratcliffe had shared in the Signal chain, because CIA intelligence officers are traditionally not publicly identified. Ratcliffe had testified earlier yesterday that the officer is not undercover and said it was “completely appropriate” to share their name in the Signal conversation. We will continue to withhold the name of the officer. Otherwise, the messages are unredacted.
At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”
The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:
“1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)” “1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)” Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi “Target Terrorist,” was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.
The Hegseth text then continued:
“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)” “1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)” “1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.” “MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)” “We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security. “Godspeed to our Warriors.” Shortly after, Vice President J. D. Vance texted the group, “I will say a prayer for victory.”
At 1:48 p.m., Waltz sent the following text, containing real-time intelligence about conditions at an attack site, apparently in Sanaa: “VP. Building collapsed. Had multiple positive ID. Pete, Kurilla, the IC, amazing job.” Waltz was referring here to Hegseth; General Michael E. Kurilla, the commander of Central Command; and the intelligence community, or IC. The reference to “multiple positive ID” suggests that U.S. intelligence had ascertained the identities of the Houthi target, or targets, using either human or technical assets.
Six minutes later, the vice president, apparently confused by Waltz’s message, wrote, “What?”
At 2 p.m., Waltz responded: “Typing too fast. The first target – their top missile guy – we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend’s building and it’s now collapsed.”
Vance responded a minute later: “Excellent.” Thirty-five minutes after that, Ratcliffe, the CIA director, wrote, “A good start,” which Waltz followed with a text containing a fist emoji, an American-flag emoji, and a fire emoji. The Houthi-run Yemeni health ministry reported that at least 53 people were killed in the strikes, a number that has not been independently verified.
Later that afternoon, Hegseth posted: “CENTCOM was/is on point.” Notably, he then told the group that attacks would be continuing. “Great job all. More strikes ongoing for hours tonight, and will provide full initial report tomorrow. But on time, on target, and good readouts so far.”
Thank you for posting this Ryorry. Appreciated.
That Trump’s henchmen (and him) are trying to wheedle out of what looks to me like an amateur night f up is beyond belief. I’m glad the Atlantic have backed their reporter and published it.
The Chinese Russians and just about everyone else had essentially a ringside seat then. Good thing for the aircrews that the Houthis had nothing with which to strike back.
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So who is using the Signal app? on 17:50 - Mar 26 with 1029 views
So who is using the Signal app? on 13:55 - Mar 26 by Churchman
Thank you for posting this Ryorry. Appreciated.
That Trump’s henchmen (and him) are trying to wheedle out of what looks to me like an amateur night f up is beyond belief. I’m glad the Atlantic have backed their reporter and published it.
The Chinese Russians and just about everyone else had essentially a ringside seat then. Good thing for the aircrews that the Houthis had nothing with which to strike back.
Jeffrey Goldberg and The Atlantic are playing a blinder with this; announce the leak, get those involved to deny the severity of it, and then drip feed more of the leaked info to call out their lies.
Most world leaders would be all over those responsible for a leak of this nature, but I think the main question Trump will be asking is why they were using the Signal app for messaging and not the one owned by one of his 3 amigo billionaire buddies, Zuckerberg.
So who is using the Signal app? on 07:14 - Mar 27 by BlueBoots
Jeffrey Goldberg and The Atlantic are playing a blinder with this; announce the leak, get those involved to deny the severity of it, and then drip feed more of the leaked info to call out their lies.
Most world leaders would be all over those responsible for a leak of this nature, but I think the main question Trump will be asking is why they were using the Signal app for messaging and not the one owned by one of his 3 amigo billionaire buddies, Zuckerberg.
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Jeffrey Goldberg withheld the classified stuff originally. The Trump Administration are really dumb. Round 1. The White House denied there was any classified material involved. That was to counter accusations of revealing classified information. Round 2 That was a dumb move 'cos they effectively declassified it. Atlantic/Goldberg have a green light to release the declassified classified information. Round 3 WH say mission successful so no harm done and no sackings required. Let's move on. Round 4 Witkoff was in the Signal group and he was in Moscow talking to Putin at the time. Did he take his phone with him? Was it switched on? Is the FBI collecting all phones to determine whether there's any malware on them? Apparently not - so this story is going to hang around for a while longer.
Don't believe a word I say. I'm only kidding. Or am I?
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