| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 09:25 - Mar 27 with 2804 views | DinnernotTea |
Without having to think I can think of Man City away, Brentford away, Leicester home, Southampton home I think it was. Sure there's many more. |  |
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| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 09:38 - Mar 27 with 2741 views | Oldsmoker |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 09:25 - Mar 27 by DinnernotTea |
Without having to think I can think of Man City away, Brentford away, Leicester home, Southampton home I think it was. Sure there's many more. |
You can think without thinking??? |  |
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| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 09:38 - Mar 27 with 2752 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 09:25 - Mar 27 by DinnernotTea |
Without having to think I can think of Man City away, Brentford away, Leicester home, Southampton home I think it was. Sure there's many more. |
Brentford and Bournemouth still boil my piss.
I think the Brentford one was pivitol to our season. I would argue that our season could have branched into a completely different direction had we won that. |  |
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| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 09:51 - Mar 27 with 2679 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 09:38 - Mar 27 by Lord_Lucan |
Brentford and Bournemouth still boil my piss.
I think the Brentford one was pivitol to our season. I would argue that our season could have branched into a completely different direction had we won that. |
Brentford (A)
Bournemouth (H)
Leicester (H)
Fulham (A)
Soton (H)
Man Utd (A)
Grrrrr for varying reasons. |  |
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| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 09:52 - Mar 27 with 2676 views | CaptainAhab |
Some very dodgy keeping in there, but most of the goals just go to show how quickly you get punished in the PL | | | |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 10:55 - Mar 27 with 2506 views | DinnernotTea |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 09:38 - Mar 27 by Lord_Lucan |
Brentford and Bournemouth still boil my piss.
I think the Brentford one was pivitol to our season. I would argue that our season could have branched into a completely different direction had we won that. |
Leicester hurts the most. Home game against the bottom 6 = must win. But then he does that. Ditto Southampton's first.
It's pretty plain and simple that had a) we never signed him or b) McKenna acted in October to bring Walton back in then we would be toe to toe or better off than Wolves right now. | |
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| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 21:12 - Mar 27 with 1962 views | ITFC_Jenx |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 10:55 - Mar 27 by DinnernotTea |
Leicester hurts the most. Home game against the bottom 6 = must win. But then he does that. Ditto Southampton's first.
It's pretty plain and simple that had a) we never signed him or b) McKenna acted in October to bring Walton back in then we would be toe to toe or better off than Wolves right now. |
Sorry I'm confused. What's the issue for Leicester H? We got done as we let Leicester run at us and didn't commit a tactical foul. Southampton I agree with.
Have to disagree. It's plain and simple that we haven't got a squad that has the physicality and quality to compete in the PL and would have struggled to get the players in who wanted to play for us.
GK issues are one part of it. Walton still made errors leading to goals and you can only speculate on whether he would have made more mistakes or not.
Claiming we'd be on a par with Wolves if we didn't play Muric is reductionist and ignores terrible injuries/poor referee decisions/the struggle to evolve a team that had a double promotion.
Our struggles this season can be classified as being middle weights in a heavy weight division. To blame this season on asingle issue like Muric is not plain and simple, it's trying to explain a multifaceted situation by blaming a single unpopular individual. |  | | |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 22:05 - Mar 27 with 1835 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 21:12 - Mar 27 by ITFC_Jenx |
Sorry I'm confused. What's the issue for Leicester H? We got done as we let Leicester run at us and didn't commit a tactical foul. Southampton I agree with.
Have to disagree. It's plain and simple that we haven't got a squad that has the physicality and quality to compete in the PL and would have struggled to get the players in who wanted to play for us.
GK issues are one part of it. Walton still made errors leading to goals and you can only speculate on whether he would have made more mistakes or not.
Claiming we'd be on a par with Wolves if we didn't play Muric is reductionist and ignores terrible injuries/poor referee decisions/the struggle to evolve a team that had a double promotion.
Our struggles this season can be classified as being middle weights in a heavy weight division. To blame this season on asingle issue like Muric is not plain and simple, it's trying to explain a multifaceted situation by blaming a single unpopular individual. |
Evening Aro, good to see you fighting your corner. |  | | |
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| We concede less goals.... on 22:08 - Mar 27 with 1817 views | Bloots |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 10:55 - Mar 27 by DinnernotTea |
Leicester hurts the most. Home game against the bottom 6 = must win. But then he does that. Ditto Southampton's first.
It's pretty plain and simple that had a) we never signed him or b) McKenna acted in October to bring Walton back in then we would be toe to toe or better off than Wolves right now. |
....with Muric playing, and also gain more points. |  |
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| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 22:43 - Mar 27 with 1692 views | ITFC_Jenx |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 22:05 - Mar 27 by StNeotsBlue |
Evening Aro, good to see you fighting your corner. |
Funny. Look, I think Aro has made a lot of mistakes this system and he needed to get out of the firing line. Yet Palmer has a 63% save percentage (Walton 52%), which hardly suggests the GK situation has greatly improved.
The problem is that overall the team has been good enough. Yes, that includes poor individual performances but these have to be seen in the wider context. None of the promoted teams have been able to bridge the quality gap and PSR has stopped them being reckless to do that. Would Muric have made less mistakes if we had a settled CM combo that could get on the ball and take less pressure of the defence? Probably. Would it have helped if injuries meant we couldn't play a settled back 4 for much of the opening months? Probably
When the issue is an underpowered team, creating hypothetical situations like playing Walton all season and gaining 9 more points is just wild conjecture. | | | |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 01:11 - Mar 28 with 1588 views | Bluespeed225 |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 21:12 - Mar 27 by ITFC_Jenx |
Sorry I'm confused. What's the issue for Leicester H? We got done as we let Leicester run at us and didn't commit a tactical foul. Southampton I agree with.
Have to disagree. It's plain and simple that we haven't got a squad that has the physicality and quality to compete in the PL and would have struggled to get the players in who wanted to play for us.
GK issues are one part of it. Walton still made errors leading to goals and you can only speculate on whether he would have made more mistakes or not.
Claiming we'd be on a par with Wolves if we didn't play Muric is reductionist and ignores terrible injuries/poor referee decisions/the struggle to evolve a team that had a double promotion.
Our struggles this season can be classified as being middle weights in a heavy weight division. To blame this season on asingle issue like Muric is not plain and simple, it's trying to explain a multifaceted situation by blaming a single unpopular individual. |
I actually blame Morsy for that one. | | | |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 01:48 - Mar 28 with 1564 views | StNeotsBlue |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 22:43 - Mar 27 by ITFC_Jenx |
Funny. Look, I think Aro has made a lot of mistakes this system and he needed to get out of the firing line. Yet Palmer has a 63% save percentage (Walton 52%), which hardly suggests the GK situation has greatly improved.
The problem is that overall the team has been good enough. Yes, that includes poor individual performances but these have to be seen in the wider context. None of the promoted teams have been able to bridge the quality gap and PSR has stopped them being reckless to do that. Would Muric have made less mistakes if we had a settled CM combo that could get on the ball and take less pressure of the defence? Probably. Would it have helped if injuries meant we couldn't play a settled back 4 for much of the opening months? Probably
When the issue is an underpowered team, creating hypothetical situations like playing Walton all season and gaining 9 more points is just wild conjecture. |
Obviously I was being facetious but defence in general not just goalkeeping has been an issue. Are the defensive players signed a notable improvement, I'm not sure.
We've lacked a plan b this season teams have cut us off down the left too often and then made merry in the space behind. | | | |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 07:59 - Mar 28 with 1382 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 01:48 - Mar 28 by StNeotsBlue |
Obviously I was being facetious but defence in general not just goalkeeping has been an issue. Are the defensive players signed a notable improvement, I'm not sure.
We've lacked a plan b this season teams have cut us off down the left too often and then made merry in the space behind. |
My thoughts exactly. Davis ineffective going forward at this level and that leaves us so vulnerable down that side.
Concerning that we all see it but KMK has continued playing this way. | | | |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 08:29 - Mar 28 with 1320 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 09:38 - Mar 27 by Lord_Lucan |
Brentford and Bournemouth still boil my piss.
I think the Brentford one was pivitol to our season. I would argue that our season could have branched into a completely different direction had we won that. |
He made 3 excellent saves to keep us in that game. Such a shame all the good is undone. Edit: Brentford [Post edited 28 Mar 8:30]
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| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 11:36 - Mar 28 with 1158 views | DinnernotTea |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 21:12 - Mar 27 by ITFC_Jenx |
Sorry I'm confused. What's the issue for Leicester H? We got done as we let Leicester run at us and didn't commit a tactical foul. Southampton I agree with.
Have to disagree. It's plain and simple that we haven't got a squad that has the physicality and quality to compete in the PL and would have struggled to get the players in who wanted to play for us.
GK issues are one part of it. Walton still made errors leading to goals and you can only speculate on whether he would have made more mistakes or not.
Claiming we'd be on a par with Wolves if we didn't play Muric is reductionist and ignores terrible injuries/poor referee decisions/the struggle to evolve a team that had a double promotion.
Our struggles this season can be classified as being middle weights in a heavy weight division. To blame this season on asingle issue like Muric is not plain and simple, it's trying to explain a multifaceted situation by blaming a single unpopular individual. |
I suggest you watch back every single match Muric plays in from August - December. And if you still come back thinking we wouldn't be on more points without him then fair play. | |
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| We concede less goals.... on 11:47 - Mar 28 with 1041 views | HighgateBlue |
| We concede less goals.... on 22:08 - Mar 27 by Bloots |
....with Muric playing, and also gain more points. |
Whilst this does oversimplify things, it's a totally valid point. When one man becomes the scapegoat, it's all too easy to glorify others in order to fit that narrative.
Surely it's clear that Muric is extremely commanding in the air, and makes some excellent saves. He also does drop too many clangers. The latter point is unavoidable.
However, any attempt to assert that we would be better off if we'd never signed Muric generally relies on an assertion that any other keeper would have performed the same as Muric, minus all of the errors. But in my view, Muric is far superior in the air, and makes a greater number of decent saves than our other keepers. (Well, I can't speak for Slicker, because he's never allowed a go.)
If one seeks to speculate (and it is just speculation) as to how we would have done without Muric, one needs to remove his good qualities from the equation as well as his clangers.
And the evidence we do have as to how we do without Muric, as you rightly point out, is that we've done much much worse. That may be down to a variety of factors, but it doesn't come close to justifying an argument that we'd be on a par with Wolves but for bad old Mr Muric. |  | | |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 11:47 - Mar 28 with 1040 views | TractorFrog |
I do wonder if our better form with Muric and Walton compared to Palmer is related to the fact they tried to play out of the back, and were a bit shaky, but that is better for our team than not trying at all? |  |
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| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 11:50 - Mar 28 with 1025 views | DavoIPB |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 11:36 - Mar 28 by DinnernotTea |
I suggest you watch back every single match Muric plays in from August - December. And if you still come back thinking we wouldn't be on more points without him then fair play. |
The trouble is in those games he also pulled off some great saves that our other keepers would have let in. His command of the box and generally shot stopping have been some of the best I've seen amongst all the goal keepers on the premier league. | | | |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 11:54 - Mar 28 with 1007 views | HighgateBlue |
We do all have to remember that keepers make mistakes. All keepers. Good keepers included. Good keepers in good teams included. Plainly you have a far greater opportunity for errors in a weak team that has very little possession and concedes lots of chances.
And I do think that once a keeper has made a noticeable number of clangers (and we fans can generally spot it when it gets above a level which is normal), it is then too easy to start attributing conceded goals to that same keeper out of frustration/confirmation bias/groupthink/scapegoating. I think the criticism of Muric from some quarters has been overdone, and in particular the fantasy that we'd be doing materially better if we'd started the season with our other goalkeepers.
We've had one really good season in the top flight since Sir Bobby, and that was when we had Richard Wright firing on all cylinders. A /really/ good keeper is worth so much. We rolled the dice on Muric, and it hasn't come off. But he has some fine qualities, and there is a lot else wrong with our team, in Premier League terms. I think it's no great surprise that (to put it mildly) we've not done any better since dropping Muric. | | | |
| Most SHOCKING goalkeeper errors... on 11:58 - Mar 28 with 997 views | DinnernotTea |
I find it absolutely mental how anyone can say anything other than we would have more points had we not signed him.
I'm guessing everyone is disagreeing with McKenna not playing him since 1st February? (Another mistake that led to a goal by the way).
He is a mid table/lower Championship goalkeeper. That I have no doubt. | |
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