| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby 20:44 - Apr 6 with 4219 views | itfc1108 |
talking about overcoaching almost being a disease in the game, making games very dull and players being afraid to do things off the cuff. Almost no passion anymore in the premier league and everything micro managed and analysed.
I remember someone yesterday on here saying that about us and McKenna yesterday.
Do people think that some managers today, would actually criticise players for doing something that wasn't planned, even if it resulted in a goal? |  | | |  |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 08:55 - Apr 7 with 712 views | MattinLondon |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 08:43 - Apr 7 by muccletonjoe |
.. and you still go ? Before premier league I can remember many outstanding games at portman road which you couldn't take your eyes off. Maybe the nearest example in recent years was v southampton last season. |
Of course I still go.
In some parallel universe where we’re actually having a good season very few on here will be thinking that the PL is robotic or boring. When we’re winning matches, everything appears to be rosy. A bit like when the sun is out.
For every Southampton there’s an awful lot more under Keane and Mick which almost bored me to sleep. |  | | |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 10:32 - Apr 7 with 650 views | BlueOura |
I think he makes a fair point and we have certainly become a little like that ( robotic ) at times under KM.
Take the wolves game for example, at 2-1 down I am screaming at the TV for us to take a risk, throw more men forward, maybe even go long and, god forbid, put a few balls into the box. I'd rather lose 3-1 by taking a risk than just meakly sticking to a plan that is clearly not working.
We were 2-1 down in a must win game and yet we take our best player off and barely lay a glove on them in the last 15 minutes. Why not have Delap and Hirst on at the same time and actually try and give wolves something different to think about for 15 minutes? Very disappointing, and has happened a number of times this season.
The counter argument of course is that KM's consistent approach to coaching is what got us the 2 promotions in the first place so we can't just dismiss this, I just think that as a newly promoted team in the EPL, you need to adapt at times and be prepared to move on from plan A when it clearly isn't working, which we don't appear to do. [Post edited 7 Apr 10:43]
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| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 11:05 - Apr 7 with 616 views | muccletonjoe |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 08:55 - Apr 7 by MattinLondon |
Of course I still go.
In some parallel universe where we’re actually having a good season very few on here will be thinking that the PL is robotic or boring. When we’re winning matches, everything appears to be rosy. A bit like when the sun is out.
For every Southampton there’s an awful lot more under Keane and Mick which almost bored me to sleep. |
The further you go back the better the football and the more level in ability each team was. In the 70s under BR we were one of the top 5 teams in the country, so if you remember those days, of course things seemed vastly more exciting when we hardly ever lost at home. These days , the level field has disappeared, and with it alot of the excitement. |  | | |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 12:05 - Apr 7 with 560 views | BlueBadger |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 08:33 - Apr 7 by sjg |
Seems a bit ironic to post something like this on a forum full of nobodies. If the former pro pundits have no right to criticise then I think we are wasting our time |
I'm not getting paid to spout my ludicrous hot takes to my fellow idiots. And neither are my ludicrous hot takes being treated like they actually matter. |  |
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| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 12:07 - Apr 7 with 554 views | BlueBadger |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 08:17 - Apr 7 by MattinLondon |
Sorry, but that’s a ridiculous take. Football management and punditry are totally different.
Punditry is all about personal opinions and commentary, often without actually being directly involved in the outcome. Coaching/ Management involves a lot more direct responsibility such as leadership, tactics and decision making.
Totally different skill set. |
Thank you for reminding me that Famous Roy was very good at pressers. | |
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| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 12:55 - Apr 7 with 490 views | itfc48 |
It is getting more like American Football. See how McKenna recaps the Delap goal v Bournemouth...
“It was a goal that was really well rehearsed but we rolled short on a goal-kick to Dara O'Shea with a pattern movement to Sam Morsy, with a pattern connection to Nathan Broadhead, with a pattern connection back to Jens Cajuste because we knew we had the two-v-one on their number 10 when they were pressing in their diamond shape.
“We knew whenever we connected back to Jens Cajuste that Liam would be one-v-one in the left channel because Julio Enciso would have dragged the right-back inside.
“So, we knew that we'd go into the space to Liam Delap in the channel and then Conor [Townsend] would arrive with an overlap, and we knew that our number 10 and our winger would run to the first line, so we'd go for a second line cross. | | | |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 15:37 - Apr 7 with 408 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 07:56 - Apr 7 by BlueBadger |
This is why punditry(outside of a notable few) is such a farcical job. People like Neville, Shearer Famous Roy and now, Rooney criticising the tactics of managers with infinitely more ability than themselves. |
But with that theory forums like this shouldn't exist? We all criticise players, managers, referees etc yet they have got theirselves into roles we can only dream of - not through luck but talent and hard work.
Punditry is about opinions, even the top managers have different ideas about how the game should be played. | | | |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 16:00 - Apr 7 with 404 views | mellowblue |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 20:51 - Apr 6 by J2BLUE |
Yes. Guardiola wants to score perfect goals. He doesn't like making subs as he thinks his plan should work and there should be no need. That kind of mindset is just pathetic.
Russell Martin and Enzo Maresca obsessed with possession and controlling the game. Maresca has gradually ground all of the attacking intent out of Chelsea.
For some it seems pure football is controlling the ball even if it goes nowhere. It's incredibly dull.
City could score lots of goals in most games but they pass it around the edge of the box looking for that perfect chance.
Didzy said it best. The Prem is full of robots. |
You are right, look at Cole Palmer, he has regressed. | | | |
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| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 16:03 - Apr 7 with 402 views | StNeotsBlue |
My mate's brother played at Southampton at the same time as Le Tissier. In today's game he would be slated as his "heat map" would be awful but even if he had been prepared to track back endlessly, he wouldn't, successive managers didn't want him to as that wasn't going to get the best out of him.
In a similar vein, at QPR there was a Moroccan lad (I forget his name)who would get a b@llocking from Warnick if he strayed into his own own half as he was a liability there but fantastic on the front foot. |  | | |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 18:09 - Apr 7 with 336 views | Radlett_blue |
| Listening to Gary Neville after the Manchester derby on 16:03 - Apr 7 by StNeotsBlue |
My mate's brother played at Southampton at the same time as Le Tissier. In today's game he would be slated as his "heat map" would be awful but even if he had been prepared to track back endlessly, he wouldn't, successive managers didn't want him to as that wasn't going to get the best out of him.
In a similar vein, at QPR there was a Moroccan lad (I forget his name)who would get a b@llocking from Warnick if he strayed into his own own half as he was a liability there but fantastic on the front foot. |
Adel Taarabt. A hugely talented player but a bit of a manager's nightmare. |  |
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