| Shortsightedness 14:54 - Apr 12 with 1971 views | OldFart71 |
What's wrong with this Country. I say plenty. You only have to look at things like British Steel. In itself a misnomer as it Chinese owned. Furthermore the ludicrous situation where we will have to buy coal to keep the furnaces alight because shortsightedness has closed all the coal mines. China for instance subsidise their steel production. We on the other hand sell off our steel industry and them subsidise the buyers to keep them open. You have Milliband running around like a headless chicken closing anything down not remotely green and therefore consumers paying through the nose for energy as we don't have the capability to produce it ourselves and no Sizewell C in sight due to procrastination by consecutive governments. The Government talks of growth then does everything to prevent it. We have very little that's British owned. Most of our car production is done on behalf of foreign owners. London's house prices are such due to the sell off of real estate to anyone able to pay a couple of million for a cupboard. The situation we have is similar in many ways to what Trump is fighting for in the States. To bring production in house. Look through history and see the many trades we had which have been allowed to decline/disappear. Tragedies on a massive scale. |  | | |  |
| Shortsightedness on 15:37 - Apr 12 with 1848 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
We elect governments for a maximum of 5 years and leaders of them frequently get deposed before that term is up. Is it a surprise that their decisions are often designed to appeal to short-term popularism?
We have also had successive governments whose economic policies are right of centre so they have favoured private, free-market capitalism. Your solution appears to be so left of centre that the popular press would term it as radical communism and brand you as Stalin or similar. |  |
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| Shortsightedness on 15:45 - Apr 12 with 1833 views | Guthrum |
We do have the capability to produce vast amounts of both green and nuclear energy. The former being an area where the UK is particularly well situated (notably offshore wind). We don't really use coal for power generation any more, only specialist situations like steel blast furnaces. Plus what's left of the UK's coal reserves are not economically viable to extract.
The main reason trades disappear is because there is little or no need for them, outside of hobbies, heritage, art or desire for hand-made products. |  |
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| Shortsightedness on 15:46 - Apr 12 with 1821 views | jontysnut |
Thatchers Britain |  | | |
| Shortsightedness on 16:32 - Apr 12 with 1714 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
This kind of goes back to the other day when protectionism and onshoring of manufacturing jobs was described as right wing. In actual fact it was a huge driver of the Lexit vote, since state subsidies are largely outlawed within the EU. Many of the things you describe would not be possible in the single market. However, they are largely bad policies, which would drive inflation and let’s be honest aren’t even creating good quality jobs (steel and coal production). I do agree on the point around nuclear energy, something that’s been kicked down the road by all governments. | | | |
| Shortsightedness on 16:38 - Apr 12 with 1694 views | homer_123 |
What the US will struggle with is that they don't have the manufacturing capability or capacity.
In addition the cost of manufacturing in the US will be prohibitively expensive.
But hey ho. |  |
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| Shortsightedness on 17:49 - Apr 12 with 1575 views | BloomBlue |
China will always undercut anything that is manufactured, their overheads are so much cheaper. It's called a slave market.
Countries were warned about this happening if China were allowed into the WTO. Blair & Brown championed China joining WTO, although Blair has tried to explain, nobody thought it would happen to this level.
As I keep saying within 10 years the only car companies will be Chinese or Chinese owned. Basically every European car manufacturer is in trouble. VW will be bankrupt if their loses from 2024 continue. In Japan, Nissan is standing on the cliff edge of bankruptcy.
It's not just our manufacturing suffering, it's a vast number of countries. Trump is trying protectionism, the EU have tried the same. But consumers want the cheapest.
Yes we should save British steel and use it for public projects. But I bet the normal customer on the street isn't going to buy an RSJ from British steel, they will be buying it from China.
There was a US bod who was making the same point. The mini digger he uses on his farm came from China, cost $8,000, the same from US companies cost $20,000. As he said even 100% tariff would still mean the Chinese one is cheaper. He followed that with the only way US companies can compete in a free no tariff market is if US employees takes massive pay cuts and rightly no one is going to accept that.
Basically China is heading towards being the most powerful manufacturing country in the world because of their cheap overheads. We just have to accept that or we all ban imports and exports, isn't going to happen. |  | | |
| Shortsightedness on 17:53 - Apr 12 with 1564 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Shortsightedness on 17:49 - Apr 12 by BloomBlue |
China will always undercut anything that is manufactured, their overheads are so much cheaper. It's called a slave market.
Countries were warned about this happening if China were allowed into the WTO. Blair & Brown championed China joining WTO, although Blair has tried to explain, nobody thought it would happen to this level.
As I keep saying within 10 years the only car companies will be Chinese or Chinese owned. Basically every European car manufacturer is in trouble. VW will be bankrupt if their loses from 2024 continue. In Japan, Nissan is standing on the cliff edge of bankruptcy.
It's not just our manufacturing suffering, it's a vast number of countries. Trump is trying protectionism, the EU have tried the same. But consumers want the cheapest.
Yes we should save British steel and use it for public projects. But I bet the normal customer on the street isn't going to buy an RSJ from British steel, they will be buying it from China.
There was a US bod who was making the same point. The mini digger he uses on his farm came from China, cost $8,000, the same from US companies cost $20,000. As he said even 100% tariff would still mean the Chinese one is cheaper. He followed that with the only way US companies can compete in a free no tariff market is if US employees takes massive pay cuts and rightly no one is going to accept that.
Basically China is heading towards being the most powerful manufacturing country in the world because of their cheap overheads. We just have to accept that or we all ban imports and exports, isn't going to happen. |
There are issues over whether we should encourage poor working conditions by buying cheap products where dreadful human rights enable them to be produced cheaply (and usually to a low quality). There is also the issue of security too. What do we need steel for? How does it get impacted when our sources of it dry up for any number of reasons? | |
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| Shortsightedness on 18:05 - Apr 12 with 1525 views | BloomBlue |
| Shortsightedness on 17:53 - Apr 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
There are issues over whether we should encourage poor working conditions by buying cheap products where dreadful human rights enable them to be produced cheaply (and usually to a low quality). There is also the issue of security too. What do we need steel for? How does it get impacted when our sources of it dry up for any number of reasons? |
I guess the argument is if we need to build military weapons we need steel and relying on other countries that could be a security risk.
Although I would argue, aircraft, military vehicles, ships etc all require fuel and as we've not built any eletric fighter jets surely not drilling for more oil in the North Sea and relying on other countries for it, falls within the same security risk. | | | |
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| Shortsightedness on 18:11 - Apr 12 with 1507 views | Oldsmoker |
These 2 blast furnaces use iron ore.
They were to be converted to arc furnaces which use steel scrap.
We need the good stuff for our military.
Depending on another nation to supply military grade steel is daft as we might be at war with them.
We can also add secret ingredients to make very specialised steel without informing the world.
We need this steel so the same amount of CO2 is going to be added to the atmosphere regardless of where it's made. It's best to own the pollution and do it ourselves. |  |
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| Shortsightedness on 20:12 - Apr 12 with 1408 views | TheBlueGnu |
| Shortsightedness on 15:46 - Apr 12 by jontysnut |
Thatchers Britain |
Barbara Knox's Wetherfield | |
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| Shortsightedness on 20:21 - Apr 12 with 1388 views | AYACCA |
Focus on you and you family, not things outside your control. It'll help your peace of mind |  | | |
| Shortsightedness on 20:35 - Apr 12 with 1359 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Shortsightedness on 20:21 - Apr 12 by AYACCA |
Focus on you and you family, not things outside your control. It'll help your peace of mind |
That's working for you?
Well done. | |
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| Shortsightedness on 20:39 - Apr 12 with 1345 views | NthQldITFC |
| Shortsightedness on 15:46 - Apr 12 by jontysnut |
Thatchers Britain |
Given the lack of an inner apostrophe, I can only assume that you are proposing the idyll of a Britain where every single working person's vocation is putting reed-based roofs onto houses? I commend this bill to the House. |  |
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| Shortsightedness on 20:57 - Apr 12 with 1299 views | jontysnut |
| Shortsightedness on 20:39 - Apr 12 by NthQldITFC |
Given the lack of an inner apostrophe, I can only assume that you are proposing the idyll of a Britain where every single working person's vocation is putting reed-based roofs onto houses? I commend this bill to the House. |
Thanks to the lack of nourishing school milk due to the policies of Margaret Thatcher (milk snatcher), my attention must have drifted during the lesson in which we covered apostrophe's. | | | |
| Shortsightedness on 05:18 - Apr 13 with 1125 views | AYACCA |
| Shortsightedness on 20:35 - Apr 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That's working for you?
Well done. |
I moved abroad 😘 | | | |
| Shortsightedness on 08:30 - Apr 13 with 999 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Shortsightedness on 18:11 - Apr 12 by Oldsmoker |
These 2 blast furnaces use iron ore.
They were to be converted to arc furnaces which use steel scrap.
We need the good stuff for our military.
Depending on another nation to supply military grade steel is daft as we might be at war with them.
We can also add secret ingredients to make very specialised steel without informing the world.
We need this steel so the same amount of CO2 is going to be added to the atmosphere regardless of where it's made. It's best to own the pollution and do it ourselves. |
We should probably knock up a couple of arc furnaces too. |  |
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| Shortsightedness on 09:41 - Apr 13 with 904 views | Meadowlark |
Sizewell C will be the biggest waste of time and money ever! We'll be paying for it for our lifetimes and there are far cheaper and cleaner alternatives. French company, Azerbaijany Uranium, so not in any way home grown energy either.
The number of long term jobs will be minimal based upon the cost. We should be investing in renewable energy sources, which are currently being switched off as they are generating energy that is too cheap! Ludicrous situation. |  | | |
| Shortsightedness on 09:47 - Apr 13 with 886 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Shortsightedness on 09:41 - Apr 13 by Meadowlark |
Sizewell C will be the biggest waste of time and money ever! We'll be paying for it for our lifetimes and there are far cheaper and cleaner alternatives. French company, Azerbaijany Uranium, so not in any way home grown energy either.
The number of long term jobs will be minimal based upon the cost. We should be investing in renewable energy sources, which are currently being switched off as they are generating energy that is too cheap! Ludicrous situation. |
If the wholesale energy price is charged at the most expensive source (eg. Natural gas), why would they switch off the renewables- surely it would just make them more profitable as the margin would be higher? | | | |
| Shortsightedness on 11:44 - Apr 13 with 773 views | OldFart71 |
| Shortsightedness on 20:21 - Apr 12 by AYACCA |
Focus on you and you family, not things outside your control. It'll help your peace of mind |
I feel the trouble is if all individuals just concentrate on their families and bury their heads in the sand as to what goes on in their Country you end up with Governments doing exactly what they like regardless of whether in the interests of their people. I am aware I cannot change the World and that maybe for my peace of mind and health I'd be better off just shutting up and getting on with the number of years I have left on earth. Sadly I can't help being annoyed at how our Country is run and that applies to whatever colour the Country is run under. I just hate all this meaningless talk whilst nothing is done about the UK gradually going down the drain. The Britain I grew up in no longer exists, taken over by extremists, do gooders and people who believe if you say a word about foreigners then you are considered racist. I'm no Nigel Farage fan and possibly he say's many things that people want to hear. But a lot of what he says makes sense where our whole outlook regarding our industries and how and whom we trade with needs a huge overhaul. | | | |
| Shortsightedness on 13:46 - Apr 13 with 706 views | Oldsmoker |
| Shortsightedness on 09:41 - Apr 13 by Meadowlark |
Sizewell C will be the biggest waste of time and money ever! We'll be paying for it for our lifetimes and there are far cheaper and cleaner alternatives. French company, Azerbaijany Uranium, so not in any way home grown energy either.
The number of long term jobs will be minimal based upon the cost. We should be investing in renewable energy sources, which are currently being switched off as they are generating energy that is too cheap! Ludicrous situation. |
We could have built a decent high-speed railway line with that money. | |
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| Shortsightedness on 13:50 - Apr 13 with 686 views | Oldsmoker |
| Shortsightedness on 08:30 - Apr 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
We should probably knock up a couple of arc furnaces too. |
Port Talbot in Wales has them - owned by Tata. | |
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| Shortsightedness on 15:22 - Apr 13 with 599 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Shortsightedness on 11:44 - Apr 13 by OldFart71 |
I feel the trouble is if all individuals just concentrate on their families and bury their heads in the sand as to what goes on in their Country you end up with Governments doing exactly what they like regardless of whether in the interests of their people. I am aware I cannot change the World and that maybe for my peace of mind and health I'd be better off just shutting up and getting on with the number of years I have left on earth. Sadly I can't help being annoyed at how our Country is run and that applies to whatever colour the Country is run under. I just hate all this meaningless talk whilst nothing is done about the UK gradually going down the drain. The Britain I grew up in no longer exists, taken over by extremists, do gooders and people who believe if you say a word about foreigners then you are considered racist. I'm no Nigel Farage fan and possibly he say's many things that people want to hear. But a lot of what he says makes sense where our whole outlook regarding our industries and how and whom we trade with needs a huge overhaul. |
Yes, but he has moved abroad so that he can tell you to ignore it all and focus on yourself instead. Or something like that. | |
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