| Is the death sentence appropriate here, and if so - why ? 14:07 - Apr 25 with 939 views | WeWereZombies |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz798nxx4z3o
He has taken a life but is the Old Testament Lex Talionis (an eye for an eye, a life for a life) any suitable way for a modern democracy to conduct itself ?
Edit: I don't know how to spell, or pronounce, Talionis... [Post edited 25 Apr 14:15]
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| Is the death sentence appropriate here, and if so - why ? on 14:12 - Apr 25 with 905 views | baxterbasics |
This is a debate we've had round here a few times.
I'm not an anti-death penalty hardliner, there are occasions where I consider it justified. But this is not one. I expect most here will feel the same. |  |
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| Is the death sentence appropriate here, and if so - why ? on 14:27 - Apr 25 with 862 views | Herbivore |
The death penalty is never appropriate, imo. |  |
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| Is the death sentence appropriate here, and if so - why ? on 14:58 - Apr 25 with 807 views | Trequartista |
Not in this case. |  |
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| Is the death sentence appropriate here, and if so - why ? on 15:25 - Apr 25 with 752 views | bsw72 |
I struggle with the death penalty - as in I find it very hard to hold a single position on it.
My view is that the DP can be used for the very worst of societies individuals, the darkest of lives where there is no redemption or moral compass. Those who torture, rpae and kill for fun - for crimes so heinous that the death penalty is the only appropriate response
I don't see that here - you just make him a martyr . . . |  | | |
| Is the death sentence appropriate here, and if so - why ? on 15:35 - Apr 25 with 729 views | bluelagos |
History tells us we are quite capable of wrongly convicting people with those responsible for collecting evidence quite happy to fabricate evidence when it suits them. With rhe death penalty we would then be wrongly executing innocent people in those cases of a miscarriage of justice.
So no, I don't support it in any circumstances. |  |
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| Is the death sentence appropriate here, and if so - why ? on 15:45 - Apr 25 with 705 views | WeWereZombies |
Sorry, couldn't open the link (which might be due to my slow broadband) but the intricacies of the legal system in the United States throw a slightly different light on the Federal Prosecuters approach here. They are trying to bring about the death sentence if convicted on grounds of illegal possession of firearms and crossing state lines rather than straightforward murder:
'But federal prosecutors have also separately charged Mr Mangione for using a firearm to commit murder and interstate stalking resulting in death. These charges make him eligible for the death penalty.'
As you say, it is difficult to see anything other than political influence in their approach (and if a plea bargain follows then does he who grants a reprieve also get a political benefit ?) | |
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| Is the death sentence appropriate here, and if so - why ? on 15:49 - Apr 25 with 693 views | StokieBlue |
| Is the death sentence appropriate here, and if so - why ? on 15:45 - Apr 25 by WeWereZombies |
Sorry, couldn't open the link (which might be due to my slow broadband) but the intricacies of the legal system in the United States throw a slightly different light on the Federal Prosecuters approach here. They are trying to bring about the death sentence if convicted on grounds of illegal possession of firearms and crossing state lines rather than straightforward murder:
'But federal prosecutors have also separately charged Mr Mangione for using a firearm to commit murder and interstate stalking resulting in death. These charges make him eligible for the death penalty.'
As you say, it is difficult to see anything other than political influence in their approach (and if a plea bargain follows then does he who grants a reprieve also get a political benefit ?) |
As you say, the situations aren't identical but illegal possession of a firearm and crossing state lines to stalk don't seem worse to me than the racially driven murder of 23 people in a Walmart.
Since you can't open it, here are the first few paragraphs:
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The gunman who killed 23 people in a racist attack at an El Paso Walmart in 2019 in one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history has been offered a plea deal to avoid the death penalty, a Texas prosecutor said Tuesday.
The announcement by El Paso County District Attorney James Montoya is a significant turn in the criminal case of Patrick Crusius, 26, who was already sentenced to 90 consecutive life sentences after pleading guilty in 2023 to federal hate crime charges.
Neither of them should be up for the death penalty as it shouldn't exist but the disconnect between the two cases is quite stark I think.
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| Is the death sentence appropriate here, and if so - why ? on 16:47 - Apr 25 with 617 views | MattinLondon |
I have a few principles set in stone - one of them is that the death penalty should never be reinstated. And another being that prisoners should be safe in prison no matter what crime they might well have committed. |  | | |
| Is the death sentence appropriate here, and if so - why ? on 09:23 - Apr 26 with 356 views | Churchman |
I understand how emotive this topic is. I get ‘eye for an eye’, that some of this bits of dirt don’t have the right to breath the air. Why should society support filth that take a life? Why should somebody take away a person’s potential and give the victims’ relations a life sentence? I get the dubious claim of deterrence and revenge. As god is my judge, if a bit of scum harmed somebody close to me, I’d deal with it.
But to completely contradict that as a policy I could never support the death penalty. If I was an MP, I couldn’t vote for it. Aside from everything else, including the potential for bumping off an innocent person, it just feels wrong and somehow barbaric to me, even if a Huntley, Brady or Manchester bomber totally deserve it.
I would the make their upkeep very basic and self funding. They work for their daily bread, heating and facilities. If for some reason they cannot pay, then their relations will have to step up. If they cannot, minimum subsistence.
Crude? Yes. Cruel? Possibly but for those beyond redemption like the above, that doesn’t apply.
There’s plenty of contradiction and not too much logic in my views, but they are how I feel. When all is said and done and however these animals are managed, I cannot support the death penalty. |  | | |
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