| Trade deal with India 18:03 - May 6 with 2972 views | Coastalblue |
Surely that has to be a positive with the size of their economy, the upward trajectory they are on and the close ties between the two nations?
Hard to see too many downsides to this and we desperately need some deals to prop us up after Brexit? |  |
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| Trade deal with India on 13:51 - May 7 with 528 views | Blueschev |
| Trade deal with India on 13:15 - May 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Thanks for the offer. I'll keep it in mind but I use AM World in Soton as we deal in class 1 explosives and they always manage to find drivers other than Goldstar - and I would rather not use Goldstar. |
Were you moving them through Goldstar around 20 years ago by chance? If so it was likely me who raised the customs clearance. I always think if your happy with your service provider it's not worth rocking the boat, but let me know if you're ever stuck. |  | | |
| Trade deal with India on 14:31 - May 7 with 480 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Trade deal with India on 13:51 - May 7 by Blueschev |
Were you moving them through Goldstar around 20 years ago by chance? If so it was likely me who raised the customs clearance. I always think if your happy with your service provider it's not worth rocking the boat, but let me know if you're ever stuck. |
I think I used Goldstar from circa 2005 - 2018
I think I originally used a guy called Tony Harman and then Phil Babbs. Tony was Felixstowe but Phil worked out of Tilbury I think.
Goldstar would have done the ADR but I'm not sure if they did all the clearance, I might have been using Energy Freight as well at that time. |  |
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| Trade deal with India on 15:40 - May 7 with 413 views | Blueschev |
| Trade deal with India on 14:31 - May 7 by Lord_Lucan |
I think I used Goldstar from circa 2005 - 2018
I think I originally used a guy called Tony Harman and then Phil Babbs. Tony was Felixstowe but Phil worked out of Tilbury I think.
Goldstar would have done the ADR but I'm not sure if they did all the clearance, I might have been using Energy Freight as well at that time. |
That sounds about right, it wasn't long before I left for London. I know Tony but not the other guy. I definitely remember raising the entries for them. Small old world. | | | |
| Trade deal with India on 16:26 - May 7 with 389 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Trade deal with India on 15:40 - May 7 by Blueschev |
That sounds about right, it wasn't long before I left for London. I know Tony but not the other guy. I definitely remember raising the entries for them. Small old world. |
We were based at RAF Bentwaters then in Rendlesham so transporting from Felixstowe was easy.
Now all the class 1 comes in to Soton and our warehouses are in Staffordshire and Lincolnshire.
What with fuel surcharges, LOLO etc and the new escort fee it costs us just under £2k to get a single container to our door. | |
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| Trade deal with India on 16:50 - May 7 with 367 views | Blueschev |
| Trade deal with India on 16:26 - May 7 by Lord_Lucan |
We were based at RAF Bentwaters then in Rendlesham so transporting from Felixstowe was easy.
Now all the class 1 comes in to Soton and our warehouses are in Staffordshire and Lincolnshire.
What with fuel surcharges, LOLO etc and the new escort fee it costs us just under £2k to get a single container to our door. |
That's a big outlay, I hope the markup is decent. Haulage costs are mad these days, though they've improved from a couple of years back immediately post Covid / Brexit. | | | |
| Trade deal with India on 18:18 - May 7 with 354 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Trade deal with India on 16:50 - May 7 by Blueschev |
That's a big outlay, I hope the markup is decent. Haulage costs are mad these days, though they've improved from a couple of years back immediately post Covid / Brexit. |
Covid was crazy. Being Class 1 we were always paying a lot more shipping freight from China but it went up from $9,000 per container to $36,000 !!!!! .. and we had 7 containers in that year so the extra freight alone was $190k 
The problem we have now though is all our type of products are made in one region and the Yanks have refused to accept their orders because of the tariffs - so there is no spare warehouse space in Hunan province. Ultimately if the factories can't store product once made then they will have to stop manufacturing - so it may effect us like a domino chain. | |
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| Trade deal with India on 18:23 - May 7 with 345 views | Mullet |
Weirdly, reform types are up in arms about it. Despite being so adamant Brexit was a good thing and would allow us better access to global trade. |  |
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| Trade deal with India on 18:49 - May 7 with 327 views | Churchman |
| Trade deal with India on 18:23 - May 7 by Mullet |
Weirdly, reform types are up in arms about it. Despite being so adamant Brexit was a good thing and would allow us better access to global trade. |
I think the point is, however pathetic and meagre the deal is compared to the French, Americans, etc, it’s a start. Better than nothing which is what we had a few days ago.
What I would really like to see is a deal with Canada that for example secured fuel supplies instead of of what we buy from the US along with anything else we can replace.
The Reform oddballs? They’ll never be happy with anything. They’re just a pathetic protest group. Farage and some of his idiots advocated a clean break from Europe. ‘Proper’ Brexit. They actually have no idea what that would have looked like. I do. Idiots. |  | | |
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| Trade deal with India on 18:56 - May 7 with 313 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Trade deal with India on 18:49 - May 7 by Churchman |
I think the point is, however pathetic and meagre the deal is compared to the French, Americans, etc, it’s a start. Better than nothing which is what we had a few days ago.
What I would really like to see is a deal with Canada that for example secured fuel supplies instead of of what we buy from the US along with anything else we can replace.
The Reform oddballs? They’ll never be happy with anything. They’re just a pathetic protest group. Farage and some of his idiots advocated a clean break from Europe. ‘Proper’ Brexit. They actually have no idea what that would have looked like. I do. Idiots. |
I think the commonwealth thing is massively understated and underused. | |
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| Trade deal with India on 19:24 - May 7 with 290 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trade deal with India on 23:22 - May 6 by Lord_Lucan |
Exactly, we still have free trade with EU so in that respect nothing has changed, that's why I questioned the figures. Yes it's more of a pain to import and export these days but for dry goods it's not overly difficult.
I'm sure Stokie Blue had the best of intentions but the figures he quotes are complete b0llocks.
Even so, it highlighted something that gets missed and it is something I have been trying to explain to people for some time. I was, and still am largely a remainer but there were many negative things with The EU.
We voted for a Common Market - a trade deal where we all traded with ease. This though became a European state with we never ever voted for.
I stayed one night last week with an olive producer in Morocco and this guy is now doing BIG business with UK. When UK was in The EU this would have been impossible as our agreements would have meant we would have been forced to buy olive oil from the likes of Greece but since leaving we can do whatever we want to do.
And here's the thing.........We voted for a Common Market and if it makes things easier then hey, that was the whole point. The point though was not to restrict our trade with non EU countries and if we can buy olive oil cheaper in a non EU country then we should be able to do so. . [Post edited 6 May 23:26]
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We don’t have free trade anymore as we now have barriers to trade. Not having tariffs and quotas as long as we meet their rules of origin is a big benefit though, so I’m being a bit pedantic. But the extra customs and paperwork makes it not free in the true sense.
I hope you enjoyed Morocco. My lad went on school trip there last summer at the end of his GCSEs. Lucky barstool, I got Milton Keynes when I was at Copleston. TWTD, kind of. I was working on persuading the Mrs that we should get the train/ferry over there when we’re in Spain in the summer, but she won the argument and we’re staying in northern Spain (and maybe Portugal, but she’ll probably win that argument too). |  |
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| Trade deal with India on 19:51 - May 7 with 274 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Trade deal with India on 19:24 - May 7 by Swansea_Blue |
We don’t have free trade anymore as we now have barriers to trade. Not having tariffs and quotas as long as we meet their rules of origin is a big benefit though, so I’m being a bit pedantic. But the extra customs and paperwork makes it not free in the true sense.
I hope you enjoyed Morocco. My lad went on school trip there last summer at the end of his GCSEs. Lucky barstool, I got Milton Keynes when I was at Copleston. TWTD, kind of. I was working on persuading the Mrs that we should get the train/ferry over there when we’re in Spain in the summer, but she won the argument and we’re staying in northern Spain (and maybe Portugal, but she’ll probably win that argument too). |
Yes. Very pedantic. Customs fees are negligible.
Morocco was ok but I’m glad I had a car so I could move about. It’s close, sunny and cheap so it hit the spot for a last minute getaway.
I might pop off to Northern Spain myself next month or possibly Portugal. Crazy thing is I’ve never been to Portugal. I fancy Bilbao though.
I’ve decided after this summer I’m gonna buy a camper van so I can just go where I want when I want. It was a camper or a Vespa.
The wife won. | |
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| Trade deal with India on 20:16 - May 7 with 254 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Trade deal with India on 19:51 - May 7 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes. Very pedantic. Customs fees are negligible.
Morocco was ok but I’m glad I had a car so I could move about. It’s close, sunny and cheap so it hit the spot for a last minute getaway.
I might pop off to Northern Spain myself next month or possibly Portugal. Crazy thing is I’ve never been to Portugal. I fancy Bilbao though.
I’ve decided after this summer I’m gonna buy a camper van so I can just go where I want when I want. It was a camper or a Vespa.
The wife won. |
Ah, but the waits aren’t negligible. Ask anyone who moves fresh goods with a limited shelf life. If you’ve got shellfish to get to market in 24 hours, you’re fkd now. Plus surely the extra costs can’t be a positive?
More import stuff: I’ve not been to Portugal yet and fancy it. We’re stopping over in Bilbao for a couple of nights. Train down to San Sebastián (I can get there in a a day from Swansea, which blows my tiny mind). On to Bilbao and then a week walking in the Picos de Europa and the we’ve got 10 days to fill. I wanted Morocco, but she’s said no. So I think we’ll hire a car and work our way along the north coast. | |
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| Trade deal with India on 20:46 - May 7 with 232 views | mellowblue |
| Trade deal with India on 18:57 - May 6 by BlueForYou |
Well done all involved. Good to get that finally done, it's taken a long time. Congrats to Labour on this. Has to be good for our country. |
possibly congrats to Trump as well, he has made a lot of countries uncertain of where they stand in the global economy and I think there will be a lot of scrabbling around signing deals to safeguard trade. |  | | |
| Trade deal with India on 21:13 - May 7 with 220 views | bournemouthblue |
| Trade deal with India on 21:27 - May 6 by Blueschev |
We still have tariff free trade with the EU. You now need import declarations which are time consuming and an added expense, but there's no duty on EU goods coming in to the UK. |
You pay an export tax on anything over £150 don't you, that directly effects UK businesses |  |
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| Trade deal with India on 21:16 - May 7 with 217 views | bournemouthblue |
| Trade deal with India on 23:22 - May 6 by Lord_Lucan |
Exactly, we still have free trade with EU so in that respect nothing has changed, that's why I questioned the figures. Yes it's more of a pain to import and export these days but for dry goods it's not overly difficult.
I'm sure Stokie Blue had the best of intentions but the figures he quotes are complete b0llocks.
Even so, it highlighted something that gets missed and it is something I have been trying to explain to people for some time. I was, and still am largely a remainer but there were many negative things with The EU.
We voted for a Common Market - a trade deal where we all traded with ease. This though became a European state with we never ever voted for.
I stayed one night last week with an olive producer in Morocco and this guy is now doing BIG business with UK. When UK was in The EU this would have been impossible as our agreements would have meant we would have been forced to buy olive oil from the likes of Greece but since leaving we can do whatever we want to do.
And here's the thing.........We voted for a Common Market and if it makes things easier then hey, that was the whole point. The point though was not to restrict our trade with non EU countries and if we can buy olive oil cheaper in a non EU country then we should be able to do so. . [Post edited 6 May 23:26]
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I sense some Brexity vibes here, whatever way you want to dress it up, a barrier to our largest trade market was a universal act of self harm
Anyone who voted Brexit needs to own that | |
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| Trade deal with India on 21:32 - May 7 with 210 views | Blueschev |
| Trade deal with India on 21:13 - May 7 by bournemouthblue |
You pay an export tax on anything over £150 don't you, that directly effects UK businesses |
No you don’t. Customs VAT is applicable, but if you’re VAT registered you can use the postponed VAT scheme PVA which means you don’t actually have to pay it. It’s more difficult and complicated than before Brexit, but there are no trade tariffs. Just increased red tape and bureaucracy, ironically. | | | |
| Trade deal with India on 22:01 - May 7 with 182 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Trade deal with India on 21:16 - May 7 by bournemouthblue |
I sense some Brexity vibes here, whatever way you want to dress it up, a barrier to our largest trade market was a universal act of self harm
Anyone who voted Brexit needs to own that |
You seem to be suggesting I'm hiding behind something or not showing my true colours?
If you knew me you would know that I have many faults but I tell it straight and I genuinely couldn't give a sh1t what people think.
Brexity vibes? I voted remain and I would vote remain again, however, the biggest problem with remain is being lumped with fellow remainers as I got p1ssed off with their whinging after 10 minutes, let alone 10 bloody years.
And in any case, it's not as straightforward as people would like to think and I bear no animosity to people who voted Brexit, it's a free country and they can do what they want - and they won.
Move on! | |
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| Trade deal with India on 07:11 - May 8 with 88 views | Churchman |
| Trade deal with India on 22:01 - May 7 by Lord_Lucan |
You seem to be suggesting I'm hiding behind something or not showing my true colours?
If you knew me you would know that I have many faults but I tell it straight and I genuinely couldn't give a sh1t what people think.
Brexity vibes? I voted remain and I would vote remain again, however, the biggest problem with remain is being lumped with fellow remainers as I got p1ssed off with their whinging after 10 minutes, let alone 10 bloody years.
And in any case, it's not as straightforward as people would like to think and I bear no animosity to people who voted Brexit, it's a free country and they can do what they want - and they won.
Move on! |
I didn’t get the impression of you hiding your true views regarding leaving/remain. How you see it is very much the same as I do. I voted remain at the time purely on economic grounds. It made no sense whatsoever.
However, there was plenty not to like about the EU. Whilst obviously in favour of Customs Union and single market (Common Market), I could never agree with the political side of it, unelected bureaucrats in Brussels, creeping loss of sovereignty and the danger of creating an unwieldy entity that could grow less relevant as the tiger economies grew. So change the EU from the inside was my view.
What I knew two years later only reinforced my opinion that overall, Brexit was an insane idea. Aside from that it was also clear it’d offer few if any benefits at all.
Regarding complexity, you are right - how goods and services across boundaries operates is complex. Far more to it than people realise. A lot of it’s beyond boring but there are good reasons why it is as it is.
Regarding moving on, renegotiating and improving our relationship with the EU is imperative to facilitate better trade, relationships, education, programmes and projects, defence (production of kit) you name it. That’s not rejoining. That ship has sailed for now. But it is common sense for U.K. and EU to move on from the madness of 2016 in my view. [Post edited 8 May 7:35]
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