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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& 10:53 - May 15 with 4896 viewsblueasfook

He's basically turned into a pound shop Nigel Farage hasn't he
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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:00 - May 15 with 1393 viewsHerbivore

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 13:56 - May 15 by Blueschev

It's not controversial, it's just an obvious and lazy statement. What exactly does it add to the immigration debate? What does it propose to solve? What's next, tough on immigration, tough on the causes of immigration? At least that would be multi faceted I suppose.


It's a bland, nothing, reactive statement from a bland, nothing, reactive PM. It stokes the hostile environment, which he will know, but being hostile to immigrants has been a political strategy for many a year now, just that some of us expect better of the Labour Party. This isn't really a labour party though, if we were talking about them in a European election with PR, they'd be part of a centre-right bloc.

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:00 - May 15 with 1394 viewsSwansea_Blue

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 13:21 - May 15 by WD19

By paddling hard?


So this could all be some sort of elaborate trial to get into the Oxbridge rowing teams? I hadn't thought of it that way before .

Laughter is the best medicine when faced with how inane this debate is.

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:06 - May 15 with 1369 viewsHerbivore

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:00 - May 15 by Swansea_Blue

So this could all be some sort of elaborate trial to get into the Oxbridge rowing teams? I hadn't thought of it that way before .

Laughter is the best medicine when faced with how inane this debate is.


It's okay, Reform have the answers.


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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:36 - May 15 with 1294 viewslowhouseblue

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 13:56 - May 15 by Blueschev

It's not controversial, it's just an obvious and lazy statement. What exactly does it add to the immigration debate? What does it propose to solve? What's next, tough on immigration, tough on the causes of immigration? At least that would be multi faceted I suppose.


it's an attempt to re-set expectations and shape the public dabte. the message needs to be that if you have a three year visa you can't assume you'll be in the uk for more than three years. the reason that some people react to statements of the obvious like that, and therefore the reason why those statements needs to be made, is that those people, although they would never say it out loud, believe in something close to open borders. that's what frames the immigration debate in the uk, just as much as farage's bigotry, and it's why statements of the obvious are then seen as controversial.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:51 - May 15 with 1267 viewsBlueschev

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:36 - May 15 by lowhouseblue

it's an attempt to re-set expectations and shape the public dabte. the message needs to be that if you have a three year visa you can't assume you'll be in the uk for more than three years. the reason that some people react to statements of the obvious like that, and therefore the reason why those statements needs to be made, is that those people, although they would never say it out loud, believe in something close to open borders. that's what frames the immigration debate in the uk, just as much as farage's bigotry, and it's why statements of the obvious are then seen as controversial.


It's not shaping the public debate at all though is it? It's actually conceding the shape of the public debate to Farage et al. If the message needs to be you can't assume you can stay beyond the length of your visa, why is Starmer posturing about "earning" the right to settle here? He's saying what he thinks people want to hear, which just makes him look insincere.
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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 18:19 - May 15 with 1161 viewsArmaghBlue

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 12:54 - May 15 by lowhouseblue

so why is it controversial when starmer says as much?


Because we want him do something, not just say it 🙂
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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 18:47 - May 15 with 1116 viewsSwansea_Blue

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:06 - May 15 by Herbivore

It's okay, Reform have the answers.



Hopeless.

Anyone who promises to ‘stop the boats’ or ‘smash the gangs’ is just making a rod for their own back. You will always have people attempting to enter through irregular routes and you’ll always have people smugglers trying to help them. You can try to reduce it, sure. But not stop it altogether. And anyone who believes Reform (or anyone else) can is living in a fantasy world.

Let’s prioritise speeding up the asylum process, which would save millions, keep working with international partners around return deals, use our soft power and aid budget to try to encourage stability and prosperity in the source countries, and most of all, stop letting such a minor part of immigration scupper opportunities for us to make the most out of immigration.

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 18:51 - May 15 with 1112 viewsWhos_blue

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 14:06 - May 15 by Herbivore

It's okay, Reform have the answers.



I saw that last night.
That wasn't even the worst of it.
Wasn't able to offer a coherent comment on Andrea Jenkyns' "let them live in tents" proclamation either.
But still people are wilfully deaf to it all.
"Four legs good. Two legs better".

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 18:55 - May 15 with 1107 viewsHerbivore

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 18:19 - May 15 by ArmaghBlue

Because we want him do something, not just say it 🙂


He is doing stuff though, have you not been watching the news? They announced a whole raft of measures to tighten up immigration.

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 19:04 - May 15 with 1096 viewsSwansea_Blue

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 18:55 - May 15 by Herbivore

He is doing stuff though, have you not been watching the news? They announced a whole raft of measures to tighten up immigration.


That shows how much of a farce this all is. Labour go full-on with Braverman rhetoric but actually do something and the Reform/Tory/xenophobes aren’t having it. You’re right that this thread proves there’s nothing Labour can do to win over Farage’s supporters, so why on earth even try.

If this is all McSweeney‘s doing, he needs sacking ASAP if Labour don’t want to suffer the same fate as the Tories at the next election.

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 22:46 - May 15 with 967 viewsArmaghBlue

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 19:04 - May 15 by Swansea_Blue

That shows how much of a farce this all is. Labour go full-on with Braverman rhetoric but actually do something and the Reform/Tory/xenophobes aren’t having it. You’re right that this thread proves there’s nothing Labour can do to win over Farage’s supporters, so why on earth even try.

If this is all McSweeney‘s doing, he needs sacking ASAP if Labour don’t want to suffer the same fate as the Tories at the next election.


I look forward to seeing the fruits of this action.
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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 23:17 - May 15 with 936 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 22:46 - May 15 by ArmaghBlue

I look forward to seeing the fruits of this action.


Me too, hopefully you foreigners from Northern Ireland will be the first to feel the full force of the law.

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 07:48 - May 16 with 836 viewsDJR

Bloody asylum seekers! Coming over here and stealing our jobs.

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:02 - May 16 with 804 viewsHerbivore

Bridget Phillipson in the Telegraph saying very Telegraph things: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/16/children-to-be-taught-to-show-so

I wonder if people who voted Labour knew they were getting a party much more closely aligned in policy and rhetoric to the Tories than to a typical labour party. I remember the Tories saying at the last election "vote Reform, get Labour". Turns out it's more like "vote Labour, get Reform".

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:13 - May 16 with 789 viewsCheltenham_Blue

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:24 - May 16 with 758 viewslowhouseblue

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:02 - May 16 by Herbivore

Bridget Phillipson in the Telegraph saying very Telegraph things: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/16/children-to-be-taught-to-show-so

I wonder if people who voted Labour knew they were getting a party much more closely aligned in policy and rhetoric to the Tories than to a typical labour party. I remember the Tories saying at the last election "vote Reform, get Labour". Turns out it's more like "vote Labour, get Reform".


most of them are likely just to be relieved that we have a government that seems to be starting to tackle an unprecedented level of immigration that the vast majority of the population don't want.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:27 - May 16 with 748 viewsArmaghBlue

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 23:17 - May 15 by BanksterDebtSlave

Me too, hopefully you foreigners from Northern Ireland will be the first to feel the full force of the law.




Maybe he will pay me thousands to get on a ÂŁ50 flight. Bring it on!!!
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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:49 - May 16 with 703 viewstextbackup

Had that been tweeted doing the riots you might have been in front of a judge.

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:52 - May 16 with 687 viewsbluejacko

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 23:17 - May 15 by BanksterDebtSlave

Me too, hopefully you foreigners from Northern Ireland will be the first to feel the full force of the law.


Closely followed by the Scots and Welsh according to your logic🙄
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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:01 - May 16 with 675 viewsSwansea_Blue

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 22:46 - May 15 by ArmaghBlue

I look forward to seeing the fruits of this action.


A worsening of the NHS staffing crisis, a possible collapse in social care provision and thousands more redundancies across our higher education and research sector? Sadly I believe that you are looking forward to that.

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:02 - May 16 with 674 viewsArmaghBlue

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:01 - May 16 by Swansea_Blue

A worsening of the NHS staffing crisis, a possible collapse in social care provision and thousands more redundancies across our higher education and research sector? Sadly I believe that you are looking forward to that.


How many illegal immigrants are actually working for the NHS etc to pay for their accommodation?
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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:16 - May 16 with 635 viewsBlueschev

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:49 - May 16 by textbackup

Had that been tweeted doing the riots you might have been in front of a judge.


Do you actually believe that?
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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:34 - May 16 with 604 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 08:52 - May 16 by bluejacko

Closely followed by the Scots and Welsh according to your logic🙄


I think you may be on to something!

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:35 - May 16 with 829 viewsSwansea_Blue

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:02 - May 16 by ArmaghBlue

How many illegal immigrants are actually working for the NHS etc to pay for their accommodation?


The immigration white paper is mostly about curbing legal immigration. Those arriving by irregular routes have only ever been a tiny part of total immigration. So we’re cutting our noses to spite our faces here. Social care especially looks like a disaster waiting to happen: “ we will close social care visas to new applications from abroad”.

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Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:36 - May 16 with 827 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Keir Starmer: "Settlement in UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right& on 09:01 - May 16 by Swansea_Blue

A worsening of the NHS staffing crisis, a possible collapse in social care provision and thousands more redundancies across our higher education and research sector? Sadly I believe that you are looking forward to that.


Stick to your Welsh forums!

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