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“None of the parties have the balls to stop the boats or deport those that have arrived illegally, even those that have been caught raping, robbing and wanting an easy life provided by us tax payers.”
I worry. This is how fascism spreads. It’s normalised through stuff like this that just passes by with a couple of down votes. We get used to it.
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Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 07:59 - May 18 with 611 views
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 14:46 - May 17 by jasondozzell
I actually preferred Boris - less of a liar than Starmer! And at least he stood for something even if that was himself...Sunak seemed more decent too!
Sorry, I have to disagree with that. Johnson was beyond awful. A lazy, self serving, shallow, liar of a man whose interest didn’t stretch beyond his own sorry image and the fridge. There’s no substance to the man in any shape or form. Wafty, short lived ideas. Happy to lie and do as he pleased because he thought he was one of the elite.
A classic example is ‘oven ready’ Brexit that he claimed credit for. All the hard work, such as keeping aeroplanes in the air, food coming in and water flowing through the taps had already been sorted weeks before. The tricky bits such as fishing, border control and particularly Northern Ireland hadn’t. The latter in particular had no solution. So the vacuous windbag gave the ‘oh well never mind’ and just signed any old thing and off we went, losing billions every year. He had no idea.
Starmer is better than Johnson. He’s not a criminal as far as I know and whilst as boring as hell (who cares, I don’t want to know the bloke) has more substance to him. My concern is whether or not that translates to action.
As I see it, he’s appointed a Chancellor that has little idea and an Environment Secretary who is a sandwich short of a picnic. As for waffling on about stopping the people trafficking gangs, everyone knows that’s Starmer’s way of kicking the can down the road. The subject is too sensitive and any solution political suicide. Defence? Waffle. The only thing that will increase is the work of the scrapyards. They’re not interested.
Most difficult areas are greeted with a review. Ironic given when they don’t like a review outcome like Waspi women, in the bin it goes. The only decisive action taken in nearly a year of power is to shake down those who they believe don’t support them politically. Old people, farmers, those renting out properties.
I know that all this is difficult. But it’s their job. At the moment, with the tories finished, they are opening the door to that fascist bit of gristle Farage and that’s the last thing I want to see.
So Sir Kier, after year of enjoying those privileged tickets and that Arsenal box it’s time to start delivering. But even if he doesn’t do anything, he’ll do less harm than haystack Boris and his collection of boneheaded berks.
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Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 08:18 - May 18 with 565 views
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 15:10 - May 17 by jasondozzell
What has Starmer been remotely truthful about? I can't think of a single thing. I can't think of another politician who has mislead people and lied so consistently. Things he's been disingenuous about include his feelings towards Jeremy Corbyn, the Brexit referendum and rejoining EU, calls for second referendum, immigration, public ownership, the trans debate, the environment and climate action, the rest of the leadership pledges... It goes on and on.
Boris and Farage at least believe in something however much I dislike it.
Johnson believed in boosting net migration to record levels whilst pretending the opposite.
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Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 08:26 - May 18 with 544 views
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 11:37 - May 17 by jasondozzell
Yes and I think a whole swathe of the media and this country is still unaware of the strength of feeling.
Farage will be PM in 2029. And personally I think the origins of it lie at the door of the Labour wrecking scandal and the People's Vote campaign which turned out to be a Mandelson project to destroy the left in the Labour party and nothing more. The antidote to this country's dire situation was (is?) moderate democratic socialism. This was popular with the public. It had a mandate. But because a certain group of people couldn't beat losing their control/jobs, there was a disgraceful wrecking campaign from inside the Labour party and throughout the media to destroy it with breathtakingly cynical and immoral antisemitism smears.
The Starmer project is utterly embarrassing Emperor's new clothes affair backed by a very small number of people who thought that a 25 year old 'third way' Blairite media soundbite routine was smart and clever politics. It appealed to people who don't think critically but accept the lazy media narrative. It has no political plan and no principles and is dead in under a year. It was presented as a landslide. It was nothing of the sort.
You've only got to walk down the high street to understand why people are voting Reform..it's the same as the usual response to Trump - people throw their hands up in horror as if it's Trump who is the problem. He's merely a symptom of the situation. He's also a smarter operator than those same people give him credit for. Like Farage.
I'll never forget reading about a rally in a small southern mining town Trump held in 2016. No presidential campaigner had ever been there for a rally. It was a town in terrible circumstances and had been left to rot by neoliberal agenda.The righteous anger there was real. That's why Trump wins.
It'll be the same in the UK. If you then add this country's right wing racism bombardment in press for years with the Thatcherite view that has been pushed on us everywhere for 40 years, and you cut off all other options/arguments, then you are going to get a Reform landslide.
2019 was a disgraceful election and that was the end really.
Sorry - had to get that off chest!
Yeah but free Internet or something!
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 15:10 - May 17 by jasondozzell
What has Starmer been remotely truthful about? I can't think of a single thing. I can't think of another politician who has mislead people and lied so consistently. Things he's been disingenuous about include his feelings towards Jeremy Corbyn, the Brexit referendum and rejoining EU, calls for second referendum, immigration, public ownership, the trans debate, the environment and climate action, the rest of the leadership pledges... It goes on and on.
Boris and Farage at least believe in something however much I dislike it.
Completely correct. They do believe in something: themselves and their own interests, through power, money and influence. They don’t give a flying fvck about the likes of you and me.
GhostOfEscobar
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Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 10:56 - May 18 with 420 views
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 10:28 - May 18 by ghostofescobar
Completely correct. They do believe in something: themselves and their own interests, through power, money and influence. They don’t give a flying fvck about the likes of you and me.
That's very true of Johnson and Farage but I'm not sure it is of Starmer. As I've said, I'm no fan of Starmer or the direction he's taken Labour in. I think he's weak, lacks conviction, and blows in the wind. But we're talking about someone who had a very successful legal carer and was the director of public prosecutions for the CPS. That's not really the career path of someone who only cares about their self enrichment. Compare that with Johnson, who "worked" as a journalist off a favour from his connections basically, only ever wanted to build his own profile and got sacked for fabricating quotes. That's before getting into his later career as a politician which, likewise, was all about his own gain and not about public service. Farage had a brief spell working in the city as a banker before becoming the kind of career politician he pretends to stand against nearly 40 years ago. He's barely shown up in Clacton since becoming their MP.
So while I'm no fan of any of them, to say they are all the same is well wide or the mark. It's the kind of thing Farage and Johnson would want you to believe because it potentially gives them a veil of legitimacy they don't deserve. Don't fall for it.
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 11:56 - May 18 by Herbivore
That's very true of Johnson and Farage but I'm not sure it is of Starmer. As I've said, I'm no fan of Starmer or the direction he's taken Labour in. I think he's weak, lacks conviction, and blows in the wind. But we're talking about someone who had a very successful legal carer and was the director of public prosecutions for the CPS. That's not really the career path of someone who only cares about their self enrichment. Compare that with Johnson, who "worked" as a journalist off a favour from his connections basically, only ever wanted to build his own profile and got sacked for fabricating quotes. That's before getting into his later career as a politician which, likewise, was all about his own gain and not about public service. Farage had a brief spell working in the city as a banker before becoming the kind of career politician he pretends to stand against nearly 40 years ago. He's barely shown up in Clacton since becoming their MP.
So while I'm no fan of any of them, to say they are all the same is well wide or the mark. It's the kind of thing Farage and Johnson would want you to believe because it potentially gives them a veil of legitimacy they don't deserve. Don't fall for it.
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 07:59 - May 18 by Churchman
Sorry, I have to disagree with that. Johnson was beyond awful. A lazy, self serving, shallow, liar of a man whose interest didn’t stretch beyond his own sorry image and the fridge. There’s no substance to the man in any shape or form. Wafty, short lived ideas. Happy to lie and do as he pleased because he thought he was one of the elite.
A classic example is ‘oven ready’ Brexit that he claimed credit for. All the hard work, such as keeping aeroplanes in the air, food coming in and water flowing through the taps had already been sorted weeks before. The tricky bits such as fishing, border control and particularly Northern Ireland hadn’t. The latter in particular had no solution. So the vacuous windbag gave the ‘oh well never mind’ and just signed any old thing and off we went, losing billions every year. He had no idea.
Starmer is better than Johnson. He’s not a criminal as far as I know and whilst as boring as hell (who cares, I don’t want to know the bloke) has more substance to him. My concern is whether or not that translates to action.
As I see it, he’s appointed a Chancellor that has little idea and an Environment Secretary who is a sandwich short of a picnic. As for waffling on about stopping the people trafficking gangs, everyone knows that’s Starmer’s way of kicking the can down the road. The subject is too sensitive and any solution political suicide. Defence? Waffle. The only thing that will increase is the work of the scrapyards. They’re not interested.
Most difficult areas are greeted with a review. Ironic given when they don’t like a review outcome like Waspi women, in the bin it goes. The only decisive action taken in nearly a year of power is to shake down those who they believe don’t support them politically. Old people, farmers, those renting out properties.
I know that all this is difficult. But it’s their job. At the moment, with the tories finished, they are opening the door to that fascist bit of gristle Farage and that’s the last thing I want to see.
So Sir Kier, after year of enjoying those privileged tickets and that Arsenal box it’s time to start delivering. But even if he doesn’t do anything, he’ll do less harm than haystack Boris and his collection of boneheaded berks.
I respect your point of view and I understand what you're saying.
But I can't agree. Starmer Will do less damage than Boris even if he does nothing? He's about to usher in fascism to this country!
And on the idea that Starmer has substance. There's been near enough omerta in the press on his leadership election lies so that is perhaps why people don't realise the level of duplicity but I cannot think of any politician who has so deliberately mislead the party members and public than Starmer. He deliberately lied about his leadership pledges. The press overlooked it because half of them were in on it (McSweeney and co meeting journalists in 2018 to explain the plan) but how can you have someone in public life like that professing to have integrity?
I don't understand why Starmer's lies are seen as less damaging. If anything they are more because they were coldly calculated as opposed to Boris's indiscretions.
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Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 13:08 - May 18 with 261 views
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 13:04 - May 18 by jasondozzell
I respect your point of view and I understand what you're saying.
But I can't agree. Starmer Will do less damage than Boris even if he does nothing? He's about to usher in fascism to this country!
And on the idea that Starmer has substance. There's been near enough omerta in the press on his leadership election lies so that is perhaps why people don't realise the level of duplicity but I cannot think of any politician who has so deliberately mislead the party members and public than Starmer. He deliberately lied about his leadership pledges. The press overlooked it because half of them were in on it (McSweeney and co meeting journalists in 2018 to explain the plan) but how can you have someone in public life like that professing to have integrity?
I don't understand why Starmer's lies are seen as less damaging. If anything they are more because they were coldly calculated as opposed to Boris's indiscretions.
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More substance than Johnson? Yes. But that isn’t saying much, I grant you.
As for your ushering fascism in I see your point, but I’m hoping in the next 3.5 years Reform are exposed for what they are and Starmer does more than look as if his piles are troubling him.
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Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 13:15 - May 18 with 252 views
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 13:10 - May 18 by Churchman
More substance than Johnson? Yes. But that isn’t saying much, I grant you.
As for your ushering fascism in I see your point, but I’m hoping in the next 3.5 years Reform are exposed for what they are and Starmer does more than look as if his piles are troubling him.
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For all our sakes I hope you're right. But I don't think Starmer is going to survive for much longer. Wes or Rayner or Cooper. God help us. All utterly lacking in principles, beliefs and ability.
The Labour party has been gutted out and is no longer supportable.
Perhaps the Greens will get a movement going but I can't see beyond Farage winning with a political earthquake. He's probably had the most influence on British politics over the last 25 years.
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Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 13:44 - May 18 with 208 views
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 12:55 - May 18 by jasondozzell
Why are Starmer's lies any better than Johnson's?
Can you be specific about lies that Starmer has told please and are they lies or him shifting his policy direction over a period of time? I can find you plenty of bare faced lies from Johnson for comparison.
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 13:04 - May 18 by jasondozzell
I respect your point of view and I understand what you're saying.
But I can't agree. Starmer Will do less damage than Boris even if he does nothing? He's about to usher in fascism to this country!
And on the idea that Starmer has substance. There's been near enough omerta in the press on his leadership election lies so that is perhaps why people don't realise the level of duplicity but I cannot think of any politician who has so deliberately mislead the party members and public than Starmer. He deliberately lied about his leadership pledges. The press overlooked it because half of them were in on it (McSweeney and co meeting journalists in 2018 to explain the plan) but how can you have someone in public life like that professing to have integrity?
I don't understand why Starmer's lies are seen as less damaging. If anything they are more because they were coldly calculated as opposed to Boris's indiscretions.
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He's about to usher fascism in? I'm no Starmer fan at all, but can you show your workings here please?
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 13:44 - May 18 by Herbivore
Can you be specific about lies that Starmer has told please and are they lies or him shifting his policy direction over a period of time? I can find you plenty of bare faced lies from Johnson for comparison.
Watch the first few minutes of this:
And that was years ago - it's only got worse since.
Look up his leadership pledges. Every one has been broken.
This is not shifting policy direction over time. It's deceit.
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Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 14:11 - May 18 with 181 views
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 13:10 - May 18 by Churchman
More substance than Johnson? Yes. But that isn’t saying much, I grant you.
As for your ushering fascism in I see your point, but I’m hoping in the next 3.5 years Reform are exposed for what they are and Starmer does more than look as if his piles are troubling him.
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I don’t really understand why Starmer is trying to fight the opposition at this point - an election is years away. Get on with governing and fixking public services - the optics just looks like he’s only interested in being in power.
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Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 14:15 - May 18 with 174 views
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 14:11 - May 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna
I don’t really understand why Starmer is trying to fight the opposition at this point - an election is years away. Get on with governing and fixking public services - the optics just looks like he’s only interested in being in power.
Exactly. Which is all he and they are. There was no political plan other than wreck the left in the party, get back into bed with business and rerun Blairism. It isn't 1997 anymore.
Now there is nothing. No principles or plan. It's just as dangerous as Johnson, perhaps even more so.
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Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 14:22 - May 18 with 153 views
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 14:08 - May 18 by jasondozzell
Watch the first few minutes of this:
And that was years ago - it's only got worse since.
Look up his leadership pledges. Every one has been broken.
This is not shifting policy direction over time. It's deceit.
I can't be arsed to watch a YouTube video to be honest. Can you just provide some examples, preferably ones that are actual lies rather than him changing policy direction. Like yourself, I am very disappointed he pivoted from a left of centre, social democrats position in his leadership campaign to the centre right position he's now in, but it is a stretch to call that "lies" and to compare it to the constant stream of lies from Boris.
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 14:11 - May 18 by jasondozzell
If you wanted to create the material conditions for fascism, you wouldn't do much differently to what this Labour government has done.
He's clearing the way for Reform.
Again, this is a MASSIVE stretch. If you want to look for creeping signs of fascism, look to the US where people are being locked up for political views and free speech is being curtailed everywhere unless it's being used to hail the glorious orange baboon. We're not seeing anything like that here.
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 14:22 - May 18 by Herbivore
I can't be arsed to watch a YouTube video to be honest. Can you just provide some examples, preferably ones that are actual lies rather than him changing policy direction. Like yourself, I am very disappointed he pivoted from a left of centre, social democrats position in his leadership campaign to the centre right position he's now in, but it is a stretch to call that "lies" and to compare it to the constant stream of lies from Boris.
'Changing policy direction' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there...
Don't want to sound rude, but not being arsed to watch 2 mins of YouTube clip suggests that maybe you haven't been that bothered about looking into any of this too closely. Which no one can really be blamed for because the press have conveniently passed over it too. Funny that...
Promised to abolish tuition fees. Now says he won't. Promised to raise income tax on top 5% of earners. Hasn't. Promised to block all North sea oil and gas projects. Hasn't. Said he'd put the green new deal at heart of everything. Reduced it's funding. Supported Extinction Rebellion. Then said he didn't agree with them. Said he would bring water, energy, gas into common ownership. Now says he won't. Said that parliament should vote on involvement in future conflict. But didn't give the option over British involvement in supporting Israeli operations in Gaza. Said he would defend migrant rights. Seen the news recently? Said he would demand free movement. Now rowed back. He said he wanted a second referendum on EU. No longer. Said Corbyn was a friend and said he'd been vilified. Now says he wasn't a friend. Said he would never write for The Sun as Labour leader. Has written for The Sun. Said he wouldn't sell arms to Yemen. Sold arms.
This is before we even get to the matter of him apparently campaigning for JC in 2017 and 2019 whilst he was actually meeting 'Labour Together' - a group actively trying to prevent the party from winning both elections.
And the Labour Leaks stuff. Did nothing over that.
These aren't policy shifts. They are lies.
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Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 17:57 - May 18 with 61 views
Worried by the state of the UK, this board on 14:24 - May 18 by Herbivore
Again, this is a MASSIVE stretch. If you want to look for creeping signs of fascism, look to the US where people are being locked up for political views and free speech is being curtailed everywhere unless it's being used to hail the glorious orange baboon. We're not seeing anything like that here.
If anyone thinks we aren't headed for fascism and nationalism they must be asleep. How is it a massive stretch? Do you think Starmer's right wing authoritarianism hinders or helps Farage?
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