| Making apartheid great again on 16:42 - May 20 with 407 views | Blueschev |
| Making apartheid great again on 16:16 - May 20 by NIblue |
It’s actually worse than I thought, there is evidence in that video of politicians telling a large group that it’s sometimes ok to kill etc
Are you saying that they are lying about all the farmers who have been killed? This is all new to me by the way, I haven’t been following the story or recent news in general |
South Africa is one of the most violent countries on earth, with a very high murder rate. However, despite the claims of the far right, there is no evidence that white farmers are disproportionately victims compared to any other demographic.
Having white South African relatives, I can tell you than many of them continue to be very bitter about having their privilege slightly reduced post Apartheid, at least in my experience.
The politician you are likely to be referring to is Julius Malema, who many would categorise as a political extremist. |  | |  |
| Making apartheid great again on 16:46 - May 20 with 399 views | NIblue |
| Making apartheid great again on 16:24 - May 20 by redrickstuhaart |
You appear very much to have a specific interest in this...
You might want to find some impartial reporting. |
Impartial reporting? It’s an opinion piece, the same as the original article. The difference is the Sky News piece, whether impartial or not, has evidence of a political in SA figure telling a large gathering of people that it’s sometimes ok to kill. There was also some chanting with said large crowd gesturing guns in the air.
No mention of any of this in the original article
No specific interest in this, other than already having basic knowledge of the Afrikaans |  | | |
| Making apartheid great again on 16:56 - May 20 with 376 views | NIblue |
| Making apartheid great again on 16:42 - May 20 by Blueschev |
South Africa is one of the most violent countries on earth, with a very high murder rate. However, despite the claims of the far right, there is no evidence that white farmers are disproportionately victims compared to any other demographic.
Having white South African relatives, I can tell you than many of them continue to be very bitter about having their privilege slightly reduced post Apartheid, at least in my experience.
The politician you are likely to be referring to is Julius Malema, who many would categorise as a political extremist. |
Out of interest, what parts of their privileges being reduced are they bitter about?
I had relatives who lived in Joburg for a few years pre & post the abolition of apartheid. They weren’t native but & I remember them telling of very serious crime & murder rates & having to watch were they went in the city.
When you say there’s no evidence to suggest the farmers are disproportionately victims compared to any other group, has there been evidence to the contrary? The official figures will be there somewhere & if released would potentially end the debate & make Trump & co look foolish for suggesting otherwise | | | |
| Making apartheid great again on 17:03 - May 20 with 364 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Making apartheid great again on 19:59 - May 19 by NIblue |
There are some black Afrikaans too, but it makes for a better title for the journalist not to acknowledge them.
Added to that, if she can’t see the difference between trying to settle millions of Afghans (99.7% Muslim) in a predominantly Christian country & settling a group of Christian, almost entirely English speaking people in the US, I’m not that sure whether I respect her POV. |
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| Making apartheid great again on 17:50 - May 20 with 332 views | syntaxerror |
| Making apartheid great again on 09:51 - May 20 by NIblue |
Afrikaans are not white supremacists, regardless of what the article would lead you to believe.
If you follow cricket, you might be familiar with Hashim Amla who is considered to be Afrikaan, yet is a Muslim of part Indian heritage. |
Factually incorrect.
Some Afrikaaners are white supremacists. Many more were. I lived there for 17 years and was involved in the anti-apartheid struggle.
There is even a whites only town in South Africa called Orania.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania
Hashim Amla never identified himself as an Afrikaaner. A South African, yes, Afrikaaner, no. [Post edited 20 May 17:51]
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| Making apartheid great again on 18:01 - May 20 with 313 views | syntaxerror |
| Making apartheid great again on 10:13 - May 20 by NIblue |
The wrong people were in power. The Afrikaans were amongst those to be badly lead, manipulated to vote a certain way. Divisive policies & fear, control systems worldwide have always been manipulative. As an example, you can’t blame every German for what happened in WW2 |
Also not exactly true.
Hendrik Verwoerd knew exactly what he was doing. Creating a white minority rule state, to benefit the white, predominantly Afrikaaner people, at the expense of the non white majority.
He, and many of his ilk also tacitly supported the nazi’s in WW2.
His National Party won every election from 1948 until democracy in 1994, voted for by white people who wanted to maintain apartheid. | | | |
| Making apartheid great again on 19:12 - May 20 with 283 views | NIblue |
| Making apartheid great again on 17:50 - May 20 by syntaxerror |
Factually incorrect.
Some Afrikaaners are white supremacists. Many more were. I lived there for 17 years and was involved in the anti-apartheid struggle.
There is even a whites only town in South Africa called Orania.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania
Hashim Amla never identified himself as an Afrikaaner. A South African, yes, Afrikaaner, no. [Post edited 20 May 17:51]
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What I was trying to put across was that ALL Afrikaners weren’t racist the way some would have you believe. If you lived there I’m sure you had friends who identified as Afrikaner, who weren’t racist.
On Hashim Amla, apologies, that was a google search gone wrong on my part. On second look it said below “also including results for African cricketers” | | | |
| Making apartheid great again on 19:15 - May 20 with 281 views | NIblue |
| Making apartheid great again on 18:01 - May 20 by syntaxerror |
Also not exactly true.
Hendrik Verwoerd knew exactly what he was doing. Creating a white minority rule state, to benefit the white, predominantly Afrikaaner people, at the expense of the non white majority.
He, and many of his ilk also tacitly supported the nazi’s in WW2.
His National Party won every election from 1948 until democracy in 1994, voted for by white people who wanted to maintain apartheid. |
I don’t disagree with any of that, as I say they were badly lead. What part of what I said don’t you agree with? The manipulation? | | | |
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| Making apartheid great again on 19:16 - May 20 with 275 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Making apartheid great again on 19:15 - May 20 by NIblue |
I don’t disagree with any of that, as I say they were badly lead. What part of what I said don’t you agree with? The manipulation? |
You cant simply excuse people voting for apartheid by saying they were badly led. They bought into it. |  | | |
| Making apartheid great again on 20:17 - May 20 with 257 views | syntaxerror |
| Making apartheid great again on 19:16 - May 20 by redrickstuhaart |
You cant simply excuse people voting for apartheid by saying they were badly led. They bought into it. |
Correct.
Apartheid also gave the white population economic dominance. Education was very hard to achieve for non whites, particularly ethnic Africans. Neither were they allowed to own property outside of specially created reserves, or own businesses.
It wasn’t that non whites were just disenfranchised.
They were forced off the best arable land and companies and of course the mines were all under white ownership. For which they provided a source of incredibly cheap labour.
Plus the British were complicit in all of these, the Afrikaaner government just made it worse after independence from colonial rule.
They were forced to learn Afrikaans in schools and all exams were in that language into the early 80s, and the indigenous culture was suppressed.
It has been very difficult to redress some of the imbalances in the last 30 years since democracy, which causes some of the frustration. [Post edited 20 May 20:18]
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| Making apartheid great again on 20:50 - May 20 with 230 views | NIblue |
| Making apartheid great again on 20:17 - May 20 by syntaxerror |
Correct.
Apartheid also gave the white population economic dominance. Education was very hard to achieve for non whites, particularly ethnic Africans. Neither were they allowed to own property outside of specially created reserves, or own businesses.
It wasn’t that non whites were just disenfranchised.
They were forced off the best arable land and companies and of course the mines were all under white ownership. For which they provided a source of incredibly cheap labour.
Plus the British were complicit in all of these, the Afrikaaner government just made it worse after independence from colonial rule.
They were forced to learn Afrikaans in schools and all exams were in that language into the early 80s, and the indigenous culture was suppressed.
It has been very difficult to redress some of the imbalances in the last 30 years since democracy, which causes some of the frustration. [Post edited 20 May 20:18]
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Again, as far as I know that’s all correct.
In your experience from living there, would you say that the majority of white South Africans are racist? | | | |
| Making apartheid great again on 21:16 - May 20 with 202 views | syntaxerror |
| Making apartheid great again on 20:50 - May 20 by NIblue |
Again, as far as I know that’s all correct.
In your experience from living there, would you say that the majority of white South Africans are racist? |
In the 80s and 90s, yes.
It what they knew. What education and culture had taught them.
Now, no, thankfully. Only some that cling to the past, those that do not want to integrate or those that believe the modern racist narratives peddled by the likes of Trump and Musk.
My South African friends and family are glad these types go to the US, as they are no longer going to be troublemakers for the creation of an integrated society.
And yes, there are some white supremacists in those who have already claimed refugee status.
Some opportunists too, as a green card isn’t easy to come by. | | | |
| Making apartheid great again on 21:29 - May 20 with 194 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Making apartheid great again on 21:16 - May 20 by syntaxerror |
In the 80s and 90s, yes.
It what they knew. What education and culture had taught them.
Now, no, thankfully. Only some that cling to the past, those that do not want to integrate or those that believe the modern racist narratives peddled by the likes of Trump and Musk.
My South African friends and family are glad these types go to the US, as they are no longer going to be troublemakers for the creation of an integrated society.
And yes, there are some white supremacists in those who have already claimed refugee status.
Some opportunists too, as a green card isn’t easy to come by. |
Is Eugene Terre Blanche still alive?
I guess google is my friend there... Happily he isnt. | | | |
| Making apartheid great again on 23:58 - May 20 with 139 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Making apartheid great again on 16:16 - May 20 by NIblue |
It’s actually worse than I thought, there is evidence in that video of politicians telling a large group that it’s sometimes ok to kill etc
Are you saying that they are lying about all the farmers who have been killed? This is all new to me by the way, I haven’t been following the story or recent news in general |
The irony of your angle on all this is off the dial.
Don't swallow MAGA propaganda |  | | |
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