| FAO: Blue Action 19:08 - Jun 1 with 5849 views | victorysquad |
What is the benefit of moving to Block A? Would love to support the initiative, but are there any plans for next season? Expansion or moving to a more prominent position?
Fed up of being in the North, they don't sing any more. So open to moving but Stand A seems ineffective.........
The vision has to be to eclipse what Palace has done, and eventually try and emulate a Dortmund style experience, but what is the vision?
discuss..... [Post edited 1 Jun 19:11]
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| FAO: Blue Action on 19:36 - Jun 1 with 3570 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
From where I sit in the SAR right next to the away fans, the move has been really negative. If anything it's really difficult to hear them at all now, they were noticeably louder in S6.
If I can't hear them, slightly ahead of the Cobbold, I fail to see how the sound can travel to the away fans who are at right angles with the sound cushioning of several hundred plump bodies in-between. |  |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 19:44 - Jun 1 with 3518 views | textbackup |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:36 - Jun 1 by Cheltenham_Blue |
From where I sit in the SAR right next to the away fans, the move has been really negative. If anything it's really difficult to hear them at all now, they were noticeably louder in S6.
If I can't hear them, slightly ahead of the Cobbold, I fail to see how the sound can travel to the away fans who are at right angles with the sound cushioning of several hundred plump bodies in-between. |
Such is the PR layout I can hear even 100 away fans as clear as if they are sat next to me (in uppa north, pioneer side) but don’t hear BA. |  |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 19:45 - Jun 1 with 3513 views | Reuser_is_God |
We wanted to move toward the middle of the SBRL (section 5 from section 6) & there was a survey done which concluded that that would be the best place for us however there wasn’t enough spare space there & those already in S5 were moaning about potentially having to move (which you can understand) & also the club weren’t up for forcing those there to move.
So it was decided that A-block would be the best place for us, more room & also having a roof over our heads would amplify the noise rather than just singing into the wind at the front of S6. |  |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 19:46 - Jun 1 with 3497 views | textbackup |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:45 - Jun 1 by Reuser_is_God |
We wanted to move toward the middle of the SBRL (section 5 from section 6) & there was a survey done which concluded that that would be the best place for us however there wasn’t enough spare space there & those already in S5 were moaning about potentially having to move (which you can understand) & also the club weren’t up for forcing those there to move.
So it was decided that A-block would be the best place for us, more room & also having a roof over our heads would amplify the noise rather than just singing into the wind at the front of S6. |
Weren’t up for moving old boys from their seats they’ve had years… but done exactly that to sort the away fan situation 😂 | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 19:47 - Jun 1 with 3496 views | Reuser_is_God |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:46 - Jun 1 by textbackup |
Weren’t up for moving old boys from their seats they’ve had years… but done exactly that to sort the away fan situation 😂 |
Yeah, that’s the irony of it all!
& now the SBRL hate us because a few of them couldn’t see the players walk out against Liverpool. [Post edited 1 Jun 19:48]
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| FAO: Blue Action on 19:51 - Jun 1 with 3420 views | SitfcB |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:44 - Jun 1 by textbackup |
Such is the PR layout I can hear even 100 away fans as clear as if they are sat next to me (in uppa north, pioneer side) but don’t hear BA. |
Yet people in the lower can’t hear the away fans! |  |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 19:53 - Jun 1 with 3413 views | Reuser_is_God |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:51 - Jun 1 by SitfcB |
Yet people in the lower can’t hear the away fans! |
I’ve not heard away fans once all season sat in A block & I include celebrating goals in that. | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 19:56 - Jun 1 with 3388 views | DinnernotTea |
Make north stand lower another £100 per season instead of the current cheapest seats in the ground. Immediately the old boys and girls who offer absolutely nothing in terms of making noise in our "kop" will move on. They bang on about "I've been here 30 years 40 years blah blah". No mate, you treat your season ticket as a bill and you don't won't to pay more (who can blame them).
Stand in north lower now and the average age is above 50, it is mental. And such a dull experience.
North lower was and should always be for the younger generations making a racket for 2 hours. | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 19:58 - Jun 1 with 3356 views | Reuser_is_God |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:56 - Jun 1 by DinnernotTea |
Make north stand lower another £100 per season instead of the current cheapest seats in the ground. Immediately the old boys and girls who offer absolutely nothing in terms of making noise in our "kop" will move on. They bang on about "I've been here 30 years 40 years blah blah". No mate, you treat your season ticket as a bill and you don't won't to pay more (who can blame them).
Stand in north lower now and the average age is above 50, it is mental. And such a dull experience.
North lower was and should always be for the younger generations making a racket for 2 hours. |
Absolutely bang on. | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 20:05 - Jun 1 with 3307 views | victorysquad |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:56 - Jun 1 by DinnernotTea |
Make north stand lower another £100 per season instead of the current cheapest seats in the ground. Immediately the old boys and girls who offer absolutely nothing in terms of making noise in our "kop" will move on. They bang on about "I've been here 30 years 40 years blah blah". No mate, you treat your season ticket as a bill and you don't won't to pay more (who can blame them).
Stand in north lower now and the average age is above 50, it is mental. And such a dull experience.
North lower was and should always be for the younger generations making a racket for 2 hours. |
I agree 100% but what are the club doing about it? Do we have a supporters voice or not? because the current situation is farcical.
Change is needed. It is an absolute p*ss take that we have no proper home end at Portman road any more.
What is going on? What has Matt Holland got to say about the situation? he is our proxy now right? [Post edited 1 Jun 20:07]
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| FAO: Blue Action on 20:07 - Jun 1 with 3275 views | Reuser_is_God |
| FAO: Blue Action on 20:05 - Jun 1 by victorysquad |
I agree 100% but what are the club doing about it? Do we have a supporters voice or not? because the current situation is farcical.
Change is needed. It is an absolute p*ss take that we have no proper home end at Portman road any more.
What is going on? What has Matt Holland got to say about the situation? he is our proxy now right? [Post edited 1 Jun 20:07]
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No, because they wouldn’t want the backlash from those that they’d have to move.
At least last summer when they moved fans they could sugar coat it with it being a premier league requirement. | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 20:10 - Jun 1 with 3221 views | ParisBlue |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:56 - Jun 1 by DinnernotTea |
Make north stand lower another £100 per season instead of the current cheapest seats in the ground. Immediately the old boys and girls who offer absolutely nothing in terms of making noise in our "kop" will move on. They bang on about "I've been here 30 years 40 years blah blah". No mate, you treat your season ticket as a bill and you don't won't to pay more (who can blame them).
Stand in north lower now and the average age is above 50, it is mental. And such a dull experience.
North lower was and should always be for the younger generations making a racket for 2 hours. |
I was in SBR N5 for 18 years until I gave up my season ticket under Hurst/Lambert (no regrets btw, awaydays for me now, home games i sit in different stands).
I was back for the Exeter game, a few seats away from where I previously was. It struck me then how it was the same people but older (no surprise - me too) but there's something odd about 50 year olds being the hard-core, shouting nasty things about the referee, singing about going on the pitch etc. Was a surreal experience...
I miss the old NS, 2000/01 was electric, it certainly changed after that. [Post edited 1 Jun 20:13]
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| FAO: Blue Action on 20:19 - Jun 1 with 3151 views | victorysquad |
| FAO: Blue Action on 20:07 - Jun 1 by Reuser_is_God |
No, because they wouldn’t want the backlash from those that they’d have to move.
At least last summer when they moved fans they could sugar coat it with it being a premier league requirement. |
But its ridiculous, we have just gone a home season where we have won 1 home game. We need a proper home, vociferous support with a decent roof over it. Cobbold A does not work, I am not knocking it because of the effort put into it by BA, but we have to be honest, it does not work. | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 20:30 - Jun 1 with 3068 views | Reuser_is_God |
| FAO: Blue Action on 20:19 - Jun 1 by victorysquad |
But its ridiculous, we have just gone a home season where we have won 1 home game. We need a proper home, vociferous support with a decent roof over it. Cobbold A does not work, I am not knocking it because of the effort put into it by BA, but we have to be honest, it does not work. |
I wouldn’t tend to disagree, & I think other BA members would be of the same opinion.
However, rightly or wrongly, it also comes down to how good what we are seeing on the pitch is. Championship season was a lot better atmosphere wise than what we’ve just gone through. | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 20:36 - Jun 1 with 3028 views | hammo56 |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:56 - Jun 1 by DinnernotTea |
Make north stand lower another £100 per season instead of the current cheapest seats in the ground. Immediately the old boys and girls who offer absolutely nothing in terms of making noise in our "kop" will move on. They bang on about "I've been here 30 years 40 years blah blah". No mate, you treat your season ticket as a bill and you don't won't to pay more (who can blame them).
Stand in north lower now and the average age is above 50, it is mental. And such a dull experience.
North lower was and should always be for the younger generations making a racket for 2 hours. |
I would just pay the £100 extra as I’m a cantankerous old git. | | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 20:50 - Jun 1 with 2942 views | thebooks |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:56 - Jun 1 by DinnernotTea |
Make north stand lower another £100 per season instead of the current cheapest seats in the ground. Immediately the old boys and girls who offer absolutely nothing in terms of making noise in our "kop" will move on. They bang on about "I've been here 30 years 40 years blah blah". No mate, you treat your season ticket as a bill and you don't won't to pay more (who can blame them).
Stand in north lower now and the average age is above 50, it is mental. And such a dull experience.
North lower was and should always be for the younger generations making a racket for 2 hours. |
Over 50, NSL… I do make some noise (mainly due to my Leffe pre-match meal), but you’re not entirely wrong, and yeah, it should be the noisiest part of the ground.
Would have been happy to move to let BA into the middle (and still would). They should be in the heart of the NS. |  | | |
| FAO: Blue Action on 20:54 - Jun 1 with 2922 views | BasingstokeBlue |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:56 - Jun 1 by DinnernotTea |
Make north stand lower another £100 per season instead of the current cheapest seats in the ground. Immediately the old boys and girls who offer absolutely nothing in terms of making noise in our "kop" will move on. They bang on about "I've been here 30 years 40 years blah blah". No mate, you treat your season ticket as a bill and you don't won't to pay more (who can blame them).
Stand in north lower now and the average age is above 50, it is mental. And such a dull experience.
North lower was and should always be for the younger generations making a racket for 2 hours. |
So what are you proposing? Whenever a North Stander turns, say, 45 you would ship them off to the tartan-blanket-and-thermos stand (SAR/Churchmans)? We've* always sat in the SBR/North or Cobbold::A because that's where the singing happens, and that's where we'll stay., regardless of age or cost.
Are you getting your ideas from Logan's Run?.
* The missus and I. |  |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 20:56 - Jun 1 with 2911 views | Reuser_is_God |
| FAO: Blue Action on 20:54 - Jun 1 by BasingstokeBlue |
So what are you proposing? Whenever a North Stander turns, say, 45 you would ship them off to the tartan-blanket-and-thermos stand (SAR/Churchmans)? We've* always sat in the SBR/North or Cobbold::A because that's where the singing happens, and that's where we'll stay., regardless of age or cost.
Are you getting your ideas from Logan's Run?.
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No, shouldn’t be any restriction on it however people need to ask themselves if they’re helping generate a positive atmosphere in there because if you’re not then you really should sit elsewhere because the view is terrible.
Plenty of older folk who give it some too. [Post edited 1 Jun 21:31]
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| FAO: Blue Action on 21:02 - Jun 1 with 2866 views | BasingstokeBlue |
| FAO: Blue Action on 20:56 - Jun 1 by Reuser_is_God |
No, shouldn’t be any restriction on it however people need to ask themselves if they’re helping generate a positive atmosphere in there because if you’re not then you really should sit elsewhere because the view is terrible.
Plenty of older folk who give it some too. [Post edited 1 Jun 21:31]
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We (Section A) do generate a positive atmosphere - we sing for the full 90 minutes, regardless of whether we can see the big screen or not. | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 21:11 - Jun 1 with 2801 views | Slambo |
It depends what you mean by ineffective though mate. All we can do is create a space where the 'active' supporters can congregate and express themselves. This is a particular issue in all-seater stadia where fans have no freedom of movement (something which 'safe standing' does nothing to address). In that regard, A Block has been a triumph. In a trying season, the noise has been relentless in there, with only a few exceptions. The noise carries consistently to section 5 NL, despite what the denizens there will tell you...
If by us going over to A Block you expected us to have all 4 sides of PR going nuts like the bombonera, then perhaps your expectations were too high! As has been mentioned many times before, you cannot make people sing if they don't want to. We're doing our bit - it's up to everyone else to join in...
That's not to say it's perfect. A Block has a LONG way to go. The club only begrudgingly went along with it and kind of rushed it through. This meant a lot of the passive fans hung around and weren't really incentivized to move out. Many good NL singers (and there are still plenty in there) are still clinging to what the NL was and are not moving over. As it stands, they're dotted about throughout NL, completed diluted, when we could be united in A Block - something that was just not possible anywhere in the NL...
So if you want to sing mate, A Block is the place for it, at least more so than anywhere else in the ground. But remember, you NEED to contribute. Remember also that it's about creating an experience, which means yours might be affected. We aim to wave flags at all points in the game. If you want a completely unobstructed view of the game at all time, then A Block might not be for you... |  |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 21:17 - Jun 1 with 2758 views | Slambo |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:36 - Jun 1 by Cheltenham_Blue |
From where I sit in the SAR right next to the away fans, the move has been really negative. If anything it's really difficult to hear them at all now, they were noticeably louder in S6.
If I can't hear them, slightly ahead of the Cobbold, I fail to see how the sound can travel to the away fans who are at right angles with the sound cushioning of several hundred plump bodies in-between. |
I'm honestly not trying to be rude, but I wish anyone in SAR would stay out of these discussions. We sing non-stop, but with the best will in the world you're never going to hear us over the 3,000 away fans stood right next to you! I've barely heard the away fans all year. I can certainly SEE that they're doing something, but can barely hear them... | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 21:26 - Jun 1 with 2701 views | Slambo |
| FAO: Blue Action on 19:36 - Jun 1 by Cheltenham_Blue |
From where I sit in the SAR right next to the away fans, the move has been really negative. If anything it's really difficult to hear them at all now, they were noticeably louder in S6.
If I can't hear them, slightly ahead of the Cobbold, I fail to see how the sound can travel to the away fans who are at right angles with the sound cushioning of several hundred plump bodies in-between. |
I'd also add there's a bit of revisionism with regard to our time in section 6. It was awful, and if we were still down there now the group probably would've petered out and died. The club - again - made a half -ar$ed attempt to accommodate us. They held back around 16 seats at the front of the big block (right on the rail behind the disabled bit). They were scattered about, so no chance to congregate; and there were no 'extra' frees to allow other singers to join us. I was also stunned at how passive it was. Every game i'd be screaming into several hundred utterly disinterested faces - and this was the League 1 promotion season!
Anyway, conscious of coming across offensive in my other post. Genuinely didn't mean it as such. Conscious of how things can come across on social media... | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 21:29 - Jun 1 with 2675 views | LancsBlue |
| FAO: Blue Action on 20:56 - Jun 1 by Reuser_is_God |
No, shouldn’t be any restriction on it however people need to ask themselves if they’re helping generate a positive atmosphere in there because if you’re not then you really should sit elsewhere because the view is terrible.
Plenty of older folk who give it some too. [Post edited 1 Jun 21:31]
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Age has little to do with it. There are plenty of 50+ fans, myself included, that sing a lot. However, there are two guys in their late teens/early twenties next to me who very rarely sing and more often berate the players than support them. so lets not make this about age.
The only answer is for the club to put safe standing into SBRL and declare it to be a 'singing section' and then offer some kind of incentive for non singers to move elsewhere - how about a better seat for the same price for the first year? |  |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 21:33 - Jun 1 with 2634 views | Slambo |
You're right to reference Holmesdale Fanatics. They are the blueprint for English ultras - the only English group that can get near their European counterparts. But it's taken them 18 years of graft and determination to get to that level. You, me and 90% of English supporters would want that at their club, but English football is designed specifically to oppress independent fan culture. That said, I had a relatively positive meeting with the club a few months back who seemed more receptive to what we're trying to do, so we'll see... | |
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| FAO: Blue Action on 21:41 - Jun 1 with 2534 views | Slambo |
| FAO: Blue Action on 21:29 - Jun 1 by LancsBlue |
Age has little to do with it. There are plenty of 50+ fans, myself included, that sing a lot. However, there are two guys in their late teens/early twenties next to me who very rarely sing and more often berate the players than support them. so lets not make this about age.
The only answer is for the club to put safe standing into SBRL and declare it to be a 'singing section' and then offer some kind of incentive for non singers to move elsewhere - how about a better seat for the same price for the first year? |
Yeah, completely agree re age and, indeed, sex. See plenty of women getting stuck in, but are often dismissed as part of the problem. Again, spot on calling out the youngsters who like to look the part in their CP and Stone Island clobber but don't actually want to do anything...
Be warned though, safe standing is NOT the answer. You're still locked into your specific standing spot and would therefore be potentially hemmed in by a load of non singers. Also, simply ambiguously declaring it 'singing section' isn't enough. It needs to be clear what that entails and the club would need to find ways of enforcing that... | |
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