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With the Lib Dem defence spokesman predicting war with Russia within 10 years, and Starmer saying "Every part of society, every citizen of this country, has a role to play because we have to recognise that things have changed.", I'm aiming for the Private Godfrey role.
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 19:08 - Jun 2 with 2169 views
Our role will be the same as bacon in a microwave. A quick zap and we frazzle.
Russia doesn't have the means left to win a conventional war through Western Europe and then invade Britain. Can you imagine D Day in the era of drone warfare?
Any war between Russia and European NATO would be nuclear a long time before Russian troops reached Shingle Street.
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 19:37 - Jun 2 with 2022 views
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 19:08 - Jun 2 by ArnoldMoorhen
Our role will be the same as bacon in a microwave. A quick zap and we frazzle.
Russia doesn't have the means left to win a conventional war through Western Europe and then invade Britain. Can you imagine D Day in the era of drone warfare?
Any war between Russia and European NATO would be nuclear a long time before Russian troops reached Shingle Street.
It won’t be if U.K. and France have a credible nuclear deterrent and Russia believes we will use it. Deterrence was what kept the postwar peace in Europe until 2014 and that war would never have happened had U.K., US and Russia not betrayed Ukraine with a meaningless guarantee.
If the U.K. is serious about defending itself, and I’m not sure it is, it’ll need a little more than Starmer waffling on in a smart suit talking tough about may be in years time but won’t be.
Britain has access to around 200 submarine delivered warheads. Not enough. It needs a variety of weapons and delivery systems in sufficient number and independent of unreliable America to ensure we will be left alone. Costly? Yes. Imperative? Yes - unless you are happy to be told what to think, do, say and how to live.
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 19:50 - Jun 2 with 1980 views
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 19:37 - Jun 2 by Churchman
It won’t be if U.K. and France have a credible nuclear deterrent and Russia believes we will use it. Deterrence was what kept the postwar peace in Europe until 2014 and that war would never have happened had U.K., US and Russia not betrayed Ukraine with a meaningless guarantee.
If the U.K. is serious about defending itself, and I’m not sure it is, it’ll need a little more than Starmer waffling on in a smart suit talking tough about may be in years time but won’t be.
Britain has access to around 200 submarine delivered warheads. Not enough. It needs a variety of weapons and delivery systems in sufficient number and independent of unreliable America to ensure we will be left alone. Costly? Yes. Imperative? Yes - unless you are happy to be told what to think, do, say and how to live.
Sounds like much of the same to be fair.
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 20:15 - Jun 2 with 1913 views
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 19:08 - Jun 2 by ArnoldMoorhen
Our role will be the same as bacon in a microwave. A quick zap and we frazzle.
Russia doesn't have the means left to win a conventional war through Western Europe and then invade Britain. Can you imagine D Day in the era of drone warfare?
Any war between Russia and European NATO would be nuclear a long time before Russian troops reached Shingle Street.
True but we're not going to sit there and wait for them to reach Shingle Street. Putin is bound to want to try something before reverting to nuclear, and we would send troops, including conscripts, to that area in Western Europe to fight Russia.
I still find it incredible that the world was safer during the cold war. But I blame Obama, he warned Putin over Crimea but then did nothing. He warned Syria and it's supporters (inc Russia) that if they crossed his red lines he would use force, Syria crossed that red line, and he did nothing. If Obama wasn't a useless coward, Putin would have stayed in his own space, but Obama emboldened Putin.
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 20:47 - Jun 2 with 1824 views
This from John Crace in the Guardian made me laugh, and mirrors the humour that was the intention of my OP.
"It’s War-War. Keir Starmer had come to the Govan shipyard to get us battle ready. The threat was real. The threat was now. His sweaty fingers hovered over the nuclear button. Any minute now he could authorise a first strike. Possibly by mistake. The world had never been more dangerous. It had taken all his self-restraint not to come dressed in uniform. Cosplaying a military commander is usually the point of no return for global leaders.
Keir’s message was stark. England expects that every man – and every woman – will do their duty. A war was both imminent and likely. This was no time for old people to moan about having their winter fuel allowance taken away. Rather they should be asking what they could be doing for their country. Joining the Home Guard. Knitting socks for fighter pilots.
This was no time for hard-up parents to demand that the two-child benefit cap be removed. Rather they should be getting their kiddies battle-ready. Buying them toy drones with miniature nuclear warheads. No one is too young to fight. Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.
In the new world order there would be no such thing as a civilian. Apart from the 650 MPs. They would play a vital role in the war effort by staying safely at home and telling the rest of us how we should die. It was a tough job but someone had to do it. A few even might get to make a few quid on the black market. Not to mention handing over food coupons and weapons contracts to cronies. Because they were worth it. Covid had been a good training ground for politicians.
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 21:19 - Jun 2 with 1718 views
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 21:01 - Jun 2 by DJR
This from John Crace in the Guardian made me laugh, and mirrors the humour that was the intention of my OP.
"It’s War-War. Keir Starmer had come to the Govan shipyard to get us battle ready. The threat was real. The threat was now. His sweaty fingers hovered over the nuclear button. Any minute now he could authorise a first strike. Possibly by mistake. The world had never been more dangerous. It had taken all his self-restraint not to come dressed in uniform. Cosplaying a military commander is usually the point of no return for global leaders.
Keir’s message was stark. England expects that every man – and every woman – will do their duty. A war was both imminent and likely. This was no time for old people to moan about having their winter fuel allowance taken away. Rather they should be asking what they could be doing for their country. Joining the Home Guard. Knitting socks for fighter pilots.
This was no time for hard-up parents to demand that the two-child benefit cap be removed. Rather they should be getting their kiddies battle-ready. Buying them toy drones with miniature nuclear warheads. No one is too young to fight. Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.
In the new world order there would be no such thing as a civilian. Apart from the 650 MPs. They would play a vital role in the war effort by staying safely at home and telling the rest of us how we should die. It was a tough job but someone had to do it. A few even might get to make a few quid on the black market. Not to mention handing over food coupons and weapons contracts to cronies. Because they were worth it. Covid had been a good training ground for politicians.
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I just posted all my saucepans to Downing Street, but I suspect DPD will just bung them in a hedge somewhere. What chance do we have?
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 21:01 - Jun 2 by DJR
This from John Crace in the Guardian made me laugh, and mirrors the humour that was the intention of my OP.
"It’s War-War. Keir Starmer had come to the Govan shipyard to get us battle ready. The threat was real. The threat was now. His sweaty fingers hovered over the nuclear button. Any minute now he could authorise a first strike. Possibly by mistake. The world had never been more dangerous. It had taken all his self-restraint not to come dressed in uniform. Cosplaying a military commander is usually the point of no return for global leaders.
Keir’s message was stark. England expects that every man – and every woman – will do their duty. A war was both imminent and likely. This was no time for old people to moan about having their winter fuel allowance taken away. Rather they should be asking what they could be doing for their country. Joining the Home Guard. Knitting socks for fighter pilots.
This was no time for hard-up parents to demand that the two-child benefit cap be removed. Rather they should be getting their kiddies battle-ready. Buying them toy drones with miniature nuclear warheads. No one is too young to fight. Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.
In the new world order there would be no such thing as a civilian. Apart from the 650 MPs. They would play a vital role in the war effort by staying safely at home and telling the rest of us how we should die. It was a tough job but someone had to do it. A few even might get to make a few quid on the black market. Not to mention handing over food coupons and weapons contracts to cronies. Because they were worth it. Covid had been a good training ground for politicians.
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Yep different party same old sh!t
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 23:10 - Jun 2 with 1501 views
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 19:08 - Jun 2 by ArnoldMoorhen
Our role will be the same as bacon in a microwave. A quick zap and we frazzle.
Russia doesn't have the means left to win a conventional war through Western Europe and then invade Britain. Can you imagine D Day in the era of drone warfare?
Any war between Russia and European NATO would be nuclear a long time before Russian troops reached Shingle Street.
Which is why it won't happen.
There is nothing in it for Russia and when push comes to shove a good number, possibly all of the commanders who control the nukes know that.
What's the point in their families being incinerated for no reason?
There may be a conventional skirmish but as it stands at the moment Russia looks like they would lose that fairly quickly.
SB
When Russia attacks the first we will know of it is when they send trawlers into the North Sea and Chanel to take out all of our power and internet cables. So that when the button is pressed it dont work.
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 06:40 - Jun 3 with 1190 views
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 05:28 - Jun 3 by flykickingbybgunn
When Russia attacks the first we will know of it is when they send trawlers into the North Sea and Chanel to take out all of our power and internet cables. So that when the button is pressed it dont work.
Not really sure what you're saying.
My article was about a Russian disobeying a launch order and our military facilities are clearly going to have backups that don't require any North sea infrastructure.
SB
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 06:56 - Jun 3 with 1141 views
The role you want is as a senior leader in our arms companies. They’re going to be raking it in. I bet there’ll be no problem relaxing Reeve’s fiscal rules for this.
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 06:40 - Jun 3 by StokieBlue
Not really sure what you're saying.
My article was about a Russian disobeying a launch order and our military facilities are clearly going to have backups that don't require any North sea infrastructure.
SB
Yeah you’d like to think our military isn’t reliant on the local Eon substation…
Plus our nuclear deterrent is largely out to sea on submarines, so that it is difficult for an enemy to locate.
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 08:36 - Jun 3 with 927 views
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 06:40 - Jun 3 by StokieBlue
Not really sure what you're saying.
My article was about a Russian disobeying a launch order and our military facilities are clearly going to have backups that don't require any North sea infrastructure.
SB
My comment was facetious. Sorry it missed it's mark.
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 09:07 - Jun 3 with 866 views
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 06:56 - Jun 3 by Swansea_Blue
The role you want is as a senior leader in our arms companies. They’re going to be raking it in. I bet there’ll be no problem relaxing Reeve’s fiscal rules for this.
The Economist has already noted that some of the Labour defence spending increases are effectively unfunded (or at least they’ve not said where funding will come from). Personally I think we (the West) should use Russian funds trapped by Sanctions, it would be legally dubious, but Russia has been quick to ‘nationalise’ £billions of western assets in the occupied Ukrainian territories and Russia (which is why Trump’s appeasement makes no sense financially.
It’s unfortunate that this is the world we live in but the additional spending will boost growth. Poland has one of the fastest growing economies in Europe, some of which is from their military spending.
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 09:25 - Jun 3 with 824 views
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 09:07 - Jun 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna
The Economist has already noted that some of the Labour defence spending increases are effectively unfunded (or at least they’ve not said where funding will come from). Personally I think we (the West) should use Russian funds trapped by Sanctions, it would be legally dubious, but Russia has been quick to ‘nationalise’ £billions of western assets in the occupied Ukrainian territories and Russia (which is why Trump’s appeasement makes no sense financially.
It’s unfortunate that this is the world we live in but the additional spending will boost growth. Poland has one of the fastest growing economies in Europe, some of which is from their military spending.
Well here's hoping you have plenty of arms manufacturers in your portfolio.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Peace through strength. At times the language bordered on the Orwellian. But Starmer had a message he was desperate to get across. We were in the fight of our lives. No one was safe. To imagine otherwise was to be in denial. Even as he spoke, the Russians were plotting our downfall.
Don’t be fooled that the Russian economy was no bigger than Spain’s. Don’t be fooled that Putin thought he could take the whole of Ukraine in a matter of weeks and was still bogged down in a land and drone war more than three years later. Don’t be fooled that the Russian military is already overstretched. The Russians have just been lulling us into a false sense of security. Lithuania could be next. Then Germany. Then us. First he takes Manhattan. Then he takes Berlin.
Not every shipyard worker who had been enlisted as a backdrop for Starmer’s strategic defence review speech on Monday morning looked suitably impressed. Two stood stoney-faced and resolutely arms-crossed. Refusing to applaud either at the start, in the middle or at the end. Put them down as peaceniks at best. Traitors.
Keir, though, was not to be blown off course. It was his sacred duty as prime minister to maintain the country’s security. And we were now all on the frontline. So here was the deal. With the 2.5% of GDP he had already committed to defence spending by 2027, we could get all sorts of exciting new “kit”. He and the military seemed to regard weapons as Toys for Grown-Up Boys. Twelve new conventional nuclear-powered subs. Loads of drones and long-range weapons stuff. Loads more warheads. Six new munitions factories. Ploughshares into swords. A military 10 times more lethal than now.
If this wasn’t thrilling enough, there was even better news ahead. Remember the peace dividend? Well, the new war dividend was going to make us all even better off. With the whole country now devoted to making and eating weapons, we were all going to have more money than we knew what to do with. There was money for all of us in weapons of mass destruction.
Starmer ended with a promise. He knew it was often tempting for world leaders to want to see what all this hardware could do. But he would do his level best not to use it. It was there more as a reminder of our capabilities. That we weren’t to be pushed around or taken for granted. But hell, it would be quite fun to launch the occasional drone attack. Just to see what happens. After all, what was the point of all this kit if it just lay around for years in a warehouse
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 14:33 - Jun 3 with 574 views
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 20:44 - Jun 2 by BloomBlue
True but we're not going to sit there and wait for them to reach Shingle Street. Putin is bound to want to try something before reverting to nuclear, and we would send troops, including conscripts, to that area in Western Europe to fight Russia.
I still find it incredible that the world was safer during the cold war. But I blame Obama, he warned Putin over Crimea but then did nothing. He warned Syria and it's supporters (inc Russia) that if they crossed his red lines he would use force, Syria crossed that red line, and he did nothing. If Obama wasn't a useless coward, Putin would have stayed in his own space, but Obama emboldened Putin.
If the hyperbole on "X" is to be believed Russia may well have already landed thousands of troops on British soil... Ok so the "X" hyperbole is that they are Islamic invaders, but once you've made the leap from Asylum Seeker to invader, surely less of a leap to who actually backs / controls them.
Forget Shingle Street it's already happened in Kent
What did you do in the war, daddy? on 09:33 - Jun 3 by DJR
A few more snippets from John Crace.
Peace through strength. At times the language bordered on the Orwellian. But Starmer had a message he was desperate to get across. We were in the fight of our lives. No one was safe. To imagine otherwise was to be in denial. Even as he spoke, the Russians were plotting our downfall.
Don’t be fooled that the Russian economy was no bigger than Spain’s. Don’t be fooled that Putin thought he could take the whole of Ukraine in a matter of weeks and was still bogged down in a land and drone war more than three years later. Don’t be fooled that the Russian military is already overstretched. The Russians have just been lulling us into a false sense of security. Lithuania could be next. Then Germany. Then us. First he takes Manhattan. Then he takes Berlin.
Not every shipyard worker who had been enlisted as a backdrop for Starmer’s strategic defence review speech on Monday morning looked suitably impressed. Two stood stoney-faced and resolutely arms-crossed. Refusing to applaud either at the start, in the middle or at the end. Put them down as peaceniks at best. Traitors.
Keir, though, was not to be blown off course. It was his sacred duty as prime minister to maintain the country’s security. And we were now all on the frontline. So here was the deal. With the 2.5% of GDP he had already committed to defence spending by 2027, we could get all sorts of exciting new “kit”. He and the military seemed to regard weapons as Toys for Grown-Up Boys. Twelve new conventional nuclear-powered subs. Loads of drones and long-range weapons stuff. Loads more warheads. Six new munitions factories. Ploughshares into swords. A military 10 times more lethal than now.
If this wasn’t thrilling enough, there was even better news ahead. Remember the peace dividend? Well, the new war dividend was going to make us all even better off. With the whole country now devoted to making and eating weapons, we were all going to have more money than we knew what to do with. There was money for all of us in weapons of mass destruction.
Starmer ended with a promise. He knew it was often tempting for world leaders to want to see what all this hardware could do. But he would do his level best not to use it. It was there more as a reminder of our capabilities. That we weren’t to be pushed around or taken for granted. But hell, it would be quite fun to launch the occasional drone attack. Just to see what happens. After all, what was the point of all this kit if it just lay around for years in a warehouse
Whisper to Starmer about his first trial strike. There is this place at Carrow Road .....
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What did you do in the war, daddy? on 10:06 - Jun 4 with 157 views
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