| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? 11:18 - Jun 6 with 2529 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Before anyone gets trigger finger with the downvotes, in my opinion I wouldn’t have wanted anyone else at the helm even if we did a Southampton. But a couple of reflections:
Squad harmony / gel: You’d have to think McKenna would hands down get more out of that group (or a significant chunk of it) than anyone else
Recruitment: Think we all agree has been a bit mixed. Would a different manager have taken another approach eg tapped into overseas markets
System and tactics: I think one criticism this year has been that we were slow at times to change system or react, which is perhaps why some felt we got progressively less competitive as the season went on.
Summary: There May have been some incremental gains but I think the gulf between us and survival would’ve been too big for any manager.
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| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 18:30 - Jun 6 with 412 views | MK1 |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 18:29 - Jun 6 by TheBoyBlue |
No. In fact no manager could've kept that bottom three up, which is why it was so pointless Leicester and Southampton sacking their managers. |
Southampton's was very satisfying though. |  |
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| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 18:30 - Jun 6 with 412 views | Smoresy |
With the same squad no, don't think it was good enough, but I'm sure there are managers who would have earned us more (and fewer) points.
Maybe a different manager, say Moyes, would have been able to attract more seasoned pros but it still would have been a huge ask. |  | | |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 18:34 - Jun 6 with 396 views | tetchris |
In a word yes! | | | |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 18:35 - Jun 6 with 393 views | ITFCSG |
Seeing most of the discussion has centered around domestic managers such as Dyche and Moyes as alternatives we may have made better signings (or at least better value) abroad if we had a foreign manager able to tap upon knowledge of his home country instead of McK.
Farke and the German connection at skum
Nuno, Lage and the Portuguese connection at Wolves
Viera and the French/Senegalese connection at Fulham
Etc.
Would signing more foreign players from Europe/South and Central America/Africa/Asia under a foreign manager have kept us up? Up to debate. | | | |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 07:00 - Jun 7 with 295 views | Churchman |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 18:34 - Jun 6 by tetchris |
In a word yes! |
In a word no.
With the players he had, not a chance in hell. As with most promoted teams, the rest of the division worked out our weaknesses and that was that after Christmas.
Would better recruitment have helped? Yes. Ours was patchy, unbalanced and a bit head scratching at times, but the biggest problem was midfield. There wasn’t one. We rarely controlled even parts of games and you aren’t going to win much without that. The quality of a variable number of players in most teams was a light years stronger than hours. Guardiola, Klopp, anyone with our lot? Forget it.
I read what about McCarthy style? It’s easy to forget that at Sunderland and Wolves he got them relegated by a mile playing that way. It doesn’t work. You get relegated and relegated watching dross. So we might have gained six more points. Every point is a prisoner. Whoopee. I saw enough of that under MM. No thanks.
I read what about a better quality keeper? Southampton had one of those. Fat lot of good it did them. They’re trying to unload him and his £100k pw wages now.
Luck? Swings and roundabouts. We needed to be lucky every week for that to be a factor and even then we’d have fallen short.
Injuries? They’ll need to look at that. Pre season, how players are managed. But most of all if you recruit players with injury problems, don’t complain if they get injured. Tuanzebe, Phillips (biggest failed gamble of the lot), Cajuste - all came here with injury risk. For good reason (cost). It was what it was.
Overall, no. Another manager might have gained a few more points, but in every way shape and form the team and the club weren’t ready. McKenna made mistakes, but I’m glad he was here to make them and hopefully learn rather than bring in a ‘name’ (RVN - that went well), has been or merry go round failure. |  | | |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 08:12 - Jun 7 with 256 views | Herbivore |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 18:26 - Jun 6 by FromReuserWithLove |
I know we've been told it was an impossible ask to keep us up but what about Steve Cooper? |
What about him? He was taking Leicester down and got sacked. |  |
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| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 08:24 - Jun 7 with 247 views | DarkBrandon |
No.
We needed to have nearly the best injury record in the division, not nearly the worst.
And we needed Phillips and Muric to have been player-of-the-year contenders.
And maybe have another striker in the squad.
It’s not nothing to do with the manager … but it is those factors above the manager |  | | |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 09:22 - Jun 7 with 215 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 08:12 - Jun 7 by Herbivore |
What about him? He was taking Leicester down and got sacked. |
He wasn't in the relegation places with Leicester and kept Forest up after 20odd years out of the prem and a shock play-off promotion with a squad full of loanees and journeymen. |  | | |
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| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 09:29 - Jun 7 with 213 views | Churchman |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 09:22 - Jun 7 by FromReuserWithLove |
He wasn't in the relegation places with Leicester and kept Forest up after 20odd years out of the prem and a shock play-off promotion with a squad full of loanees and journeymen. |
Forest also bent the rules and gambled, didn’t they? I’m glad we didn’t do that.
Anyway, there’s something about Cooper I don’t like. Doesn’t feel like the right ‘fit’ for this club. | | | |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 09:53 - Jun 7 with 199 views | Bluesky |
I think Kieran was too successful too quickly and surprised himself. I think he probably arrived in the premiership a year earlier than he anticipated and that made recruitment a bit rushed and less than ideal. He has gained valuable experience this season, is a focussed man who learns fast and finishes what he starts - a powerful intellect. No-one will work harder for us next season than him - and Ashton of course. Enjoy the ride - its all so much better than three plus years ago. |  | | |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 10:06 - Jun 7 with 185 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 09:29 - Jun 7 by Churchman |
Forest also bent the rules and gambled, didn’t they? I’m glad we didn’t do that.
Anyway, there’s something about Cooper I don’t like. Doesn’t feel like the right ‘fit’ for this club. |
No i wouldn't want Cooper either but that wasn't the original question. | | | |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 10:09 - Jun 7 with 183 views | Herbivore |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 09:22 - Jun 7 by FromReuserWithLove |
He wasn't in the relegation places with Leicester and kept Forest up after 20odd years out of the prem and a shock play-off promotion with a squad full of loanees and journeymen. |
Forest breached FFP and benefited from three established Prem sides imploding in the same season. Leicester, Saints, and Leeds all had absolute car crash seasons which gave the newly promoted sides a chance. Put that Forest side in this year's Prem and I don't think Cooper would have been able to keep them up. He wouldn't have kept Leicester up either, things were in a downward spiral when he was sacked. | |
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| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 10:32 - Jun 7 with 153 views | Churchman |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 10:06 - Jun 7 by FromReuserWithLove |
No i wouldn't want Cooper either but that wasn't the original question. |
The problem with that is if you ignore the circumstances in which he kept them up then he might have replicated it as long as another team beyond Saints and Leicester fell to bits - which they didn’t.
But you can’t ignore the context in that we weren’t about to flout the rules and the other 17 got stronger, so no he couldn’t have kept us up. Only Sooty with his magic wand could have done that.
And I still don’t like the bloke. In the Russell Martin camp of bilious inducing for me | | | |
| Genuine Question: Could a different manager have kept us up? on 11:10 - Jun 7 with 138 views | PioneerBlue |
I’m going to say No to this hypothetical unprovable question. My received wisdom is that our club and players were never going to be ready nor able to close the gap this time around. A few tactical variations by a different manager before or in games wouldn’t have altered other teams ability to score the often minimal chances of a shot at goal that we gave away in each game. | |
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