| No Kier. 00:21 - Jun 15 with 4508 views | redrickstuhaart |
Dont send jets to Israel.
Don't cave in on the enquiry which you had absolutely sound reasons to reject. |  | | |  |
| No Kier. on 10:35 - Jun 15 with 2733 views | DJR |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp836w074gko
Victims "clearly want action" and do not need a new national inquiry into grooming gangs, the woman who led a seven-year probe into child sexual abuse has said.
Prof Alexis Jay told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that "people should get on with" implementing her reforms and "locally people need to step up to the mark and do the things that have been recommended".
"We've had enough of inquiries, consultations and discussions - especially for the victims and survivors who've had the courage to come forward," she said |  | | |
| No Kier. on 10:41 - Jun 15 with 2706 views | J2BLUE |
Why not?
Why not? |  |
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| No Kier. on 10:47 - Jun 15 with 2698 views | redrickstuhaart |
| No Kier. on 10:41 - Jun 15 by J2BLUE |
Why not?
Why not? |
Because the reasons given previously are absolutely sound.
Because we ought not to support and been drawn into the war of agressors and ethnic cleansers. | | | |
| No Kier. on 10:55 - Jun 15 with 2663 views | J2BLUE |
| No Kier. on 10:47 - Jun 15 by redrickstuhaart |
Because the reasons given previously are absolutely sound.
Because we ought not to support and been drawn into the war of agressors and ethnic cleansers. |
If anything we should be shooting down missiles from both sides.
The innocent populations of Israel and Iran shouldn't be punished for the evil regimes which run their countries. | |
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| No Kier. on 11:13 - Jun 15 with 2619 views | BloomBlue |
The jets are going to Cyprus. The mad terrorist Ayatollah has already told UK, France, US if they intercept any missiles, all their targets will be hit.
Missiles deliberately move in different directions to try and confuse, the UK early warning systems may detect a missile heading in a direction that would take it towards a UK facilities and correctly they would intercept it, they aren't going to wait and see if it changes direction. The mad Ayatollah may then decide to start firing missiles at Cyprus as retaliation.
The Government asked Baroness Casey to do an audit and as a result of that she has said a full national enquiry is required. He will look a bit stupid if he doesn't instigate it after setting up the audit. Obviously Elon Musk has also forced him to do it |  | | |
| No Kier. on 11:27 - Jun 15 with 2584 views | DJR |
| No Kier. on 11:13 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue |
The jets are going to Cyprus. The mad terrorist Ayatollah has already told UK, France, US if they intercept any missiles, all their targets will be hit.
Missiles deliberately move in different directions to try and confuse, the UK early warning systems may detect a missile heading in a direction that would take it towards a UK facilities and correctly they would intercept it, they aren't going to wait and see if it changes direction. The mad Ayatollah may then decide to start firing missiles at Cyprus as retaliation.
The Government asked Baroness Casey to do an audit and as a result of that she has said a full national enquiry is required. He will look a bit stupid if he doesn't instigate it after setting up the audit. Obviously Elon Musk has also forced him to do it |
What you say in the second paragraph is true, but seems to me to show the danger of kicking things into the long grass by setting up the Casey review rather than sticking to their guns.
Baroness Casey is a strange one because she appears to be regarded as a fixer by both main parties but seems to me to be a bit of a jack-of-all trades, and certainly to my mind doesn't have the same expertise in this area as Professor Jay who didn't think such an inquiry was necessary
Having said this, I haven't read the Casey review report, so maybe there is something in it that overrides Professor Jay's view.
EDIT: it is not possible to read the report because it is to be published on Monday. [Post edited 15 Jun 21:02]
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| No Kier. on 11:33 - Jun 15 with 2554 views | redrickstuhaart |
| No Kier. on 11:27 - Jun 15 by DJR |
What you say in the second paragraph is true, but seems to me to show the danger of kicking things into the long grass by setting up the Casey review rather than sticking to their guns.
Baroness Casey is a strange one because she appears to be regarded as a fixer by both main parties but seems to me to be a bit of a jack-of-all trades, and certainly to my mind doesn't have the same expertise in this area as Professor Jay who didn't think such an inquiry was necessary
Having said this, I haven't read the Casey review report, so maybe there is something in it that overrides Professor Jay's view.
EDIT: it is not possible to read the report because it is to be published on Monday. [Post edited 15 Jun 21:02]
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Im intrigued to know what questions people think an enquiry would be invited to answer.
This us playing to a dogwhistling crowd. | | | |
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| No Kier. on 11:48 - Jun 15 with 2500 views | Bluecoin |
| No Kier. on 11:33 - Jun 15 by redrickstuhaart |
Im intrigued to know what questions people think an enquiry would be invited to answer.
This us playing to a dogwhistling crowd. |
I might be wrong, but won't this enquiry also try to reveal the cover ups, and anyone who who may have allowed the abuse to continue?
I'm not sure if anyone has been held accountable at any level yet. I hope this enquiry will get to the facts. The victims wanted the new enquiry.
There will be plenty of social workers, councillors, politicians, police etc sweating today hopefully. Name and shame. |  | | |
| No Kier. on 12:08 - Jun 15 with 2414 views | J2BLUE |
| No Kier. on 11:33 - Jun 15 by redrickstuhaart |
Im intrigued to know what questions people think an enquiry would be invited to answer.
This us playing to a dogwhistling crowd. |
He's going to get stick regardless. Frankly he might as well do it and appease people who might actually vote for Labour rather than the lefties who will find any reason to criticise him and not vote for them. | |
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| No Kier. on 12:21 - Jun 15 with 2325 views | BloomBlue |
| No Kier. on 11:48 - Jun 15 by Bluecoin |
I might be wrong, but won't this enquiry also try to reveal the cover ups, and anyone who who may have allowed the abuse to continue?
I'm not sure if anyone has been held accountable at any level yet. I hope this enquiry will get to the facts. The victims wanted the new enquiry.
There will be plenty of social workers, councillors, politicians, police etc sweating today hopefully. Name and shame. |
Precisely, nobody has been held accountable. There are people out there who didn't put children first, for whatever reason, and should be serving time.
Bit like Hillsborough, where people are constantly arguing (correctly) that members of the police who were made the wrong decisions have never been held accountable.
Same with this situation. | | | |
| No Kier. on 12:38 - Jun 15 with 2265 views | redrickstuhaart |
| No Kier. on 12:21 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue |
Precisely, nobody has been held accountable. There are people out there who didn't put children first, for whatever reason, and should be serving time.
Bit like Hillsborough, where people are constantly arguing (correctly) that members of the police who were made the wrong decisions have never been held accountable.
Same with this situation. |
There are convictions.... | | | |
| No Kier. on 12:40 - Jun 15 with 2254 views | Churchman |
| No Kier. on 11:37 - Jun 15 by Swansea_Blue |
The only problem with having two reviews is that we’ll then need another review to review the reviews. Best of three and all that! 
Starmer seems to have painted himself into a corner (again). We should have just cracked on with implementing the findings of the Jay review. There was plenty there to get on with that would have improved child safety immediately. Besides, I suspect the Casey review won’t placate the racist element of the right, as it will deal with things like facts and the truth. They’ll still be agitating after it I suspect. |
I think you are right Swansea. If action can be taken, get on with it.
Reviews seem to be a convenient way to show we are serious and making considered judgements. In other words - a hoof into the long grass. Defence? Review after review yet the only beneficiaries are the scrapyards. Waspi women. Nah, didn’t like the cost of that so ignore. Endless reviews on everything. No action required.
Churchill used to right on things ‘action this day’. I get the feeling Starmer has a little stamp that says ‘Inaction this day’ |  | | |
| No Kier. on 12:44 - Jun 15 with 2240 views | StokieBlue |
| No Kier. on 11:13 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue |
The jets are going to Cyprus. The mad terrorist Ayatollah has already told UK, France, US if they intercept any missiles, all their targets will be hit.
Missiles deliberately move in different directions to try and confuse, the UK early warning systems may detect a missile heading in a direction that would take it towards a UK facilities and correctly they would intercept it, they aren't going to wait and see if it changes direction. The mad Ayatollah may then decide to start firing missiles at Cyprus as retaliation.
The Government asked Baroness Casey to do an audit and as a result of that she has said a full national enquiry is required. He will look a bit stupid if he doesn't instigate it after setting up the audit. Obviously Elon Musk has also forced him to do it |
"Missiles deliberately move in different directions to try and confuse, the UK early warning systems may detect a missile heading in a direction that would take it towards a UK facilities and correctly they would intercept it, they aren't going to wait and see if it changes direction. The mad Ayatollah may then decide to start firing missiles at Cyprus as retaliation."
This isn't true.
Cruise missiles can do that but Iran uses almost exclusively ballistic missiles which by their very name and nature follow a ballistic trajectory.
SB |  | | |
| No Kier. on 13:25 - Jun 15 with 2130 views | BloomBlue |
| No Kier. on 12:44 - Jun 15 by StokieBlue |
"Missiles deliberately move in different directions to try and confuse, the UK early warning systems may detect a missile heading in a direction that would take it towards a UK facilities and correctly they would intercept it, they aren't going to wait and see if it changes direction. The mad Ayatollah may then decide to start firing missiles at Cyprus as retaliation."
This isn't true.
Cruise missiles can do that but Iran uses almost exclusively ballistic missiles which by their very name and nature follow a ballistic trajectory.
SB |
Incorrect.
Ballistic missiles do use a trajectory, but they can be guided, allowing them to adjust direction to make sure they are hitting their targets. It's named maneuverable reentry vehicle. It's to help if the ballistic missile is aimed at a moving target like an aircraft carrier.
Iran is also using 100s of drones and cruise missiles which by their nature are designed to change direction. | | | |
| No Kier. on 14:16 - Jun 15 with 2055 views | StokieBlue |
| No Kier. on 13:25 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue |
Incorrect.
Ballistic missiles do use a trajectory, but they can be guided, allowing them to adjust direction to make sure they are hitting their targets. It's named maneuverable reentry vehicle. It's to help if the ballistic missile is aimed at a moving target like an aircraft carrier.
Iran is also using 100s of drones and cruise missiles which by their nature are designed to change direction. |
Ballistic missiles can be slightly guided with fins but certainly not enough to be heading towards a UK airbase in Cyprus and then reorientate towards Israel in an effort to fool the UK.
None (or next to none) of those drones or cruise missiles even get through Syria or Iraq.
Perhaps you'll be proven right but I just don't think it's realistic that the UK could be fooled into thinking that they were the target in the way you described.
SB [Post edited 15 Jun 14:21]
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| No Kier. on 14:41 - Jun 15 with 1931 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| No Kier. on 10:55 - Jun 15 by J2BLUE |
If anything we should be shooting down missiles from both sides.
The innocent populations of Israel and Iran shouldn't be punished for the evil regimes which run their countries. |
Yeah because that's what we'll do if our forces get involved!! |  |
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| No Kier. on 14:43 - Jun 15 with 1917 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| No Kier. on 11:37 - Jun 15 by Swansea_Blue |
The only problem with having two reviews is that we’ll then need another review to review the reviews. Best of three and all that!
Starmer seems to have painted himself into a corner (again). We should have just cracked on with implementing the findings of the Jay review. There was plenty there to get on with that would have improved child safety immediately. Besides, I suspect the Casey review won’t placate the racist element of the right, as it will deal with things like facts and the truth. They’ll still be agitating after it I suspect. |
Probably best to call a Royal Commission!! | |
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| No Kier. on 14:49 - Jun 15 with 1885 views | J2BLUE |
| No Kier. on 14:41 - Jun 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Yeah because that's what we'll do if our forces get involved!! |
I never said that is what we would do. | |
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| No Kier. on 15:44 - Jun 15 with 1733 views | Bluecoin |
| No Kier. on 12:21 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue |
Precisely, nobody has been held accountable. There are people out there who didn't put children first, for whatever reason, and should be serving time.
Bit like Hillsborough, where people are constantly arguing (correctly) that members of the police who were made the wrong decisions have never been held accountable.
Same with this situation. |
I can see more civil unrest once the details start to emerge. People will demand accountability.
I hope reputations and lives are ruined.
Labour will need to take their medicine over this. They are up to their necks. | | | |
| No Kier. on 15:51 - Jun 15 with 1699 views | redrickstuhaart |
| No Kier. on 15:44 - Jun 15 by Bluecoin |
I can see more civil unrest once the details start to emerge. People will demand accountability.
I hope reputations and lives are ruined.
Labour will need to take their medicine over this. They are up to their necks. |
What a load of nonsense. Who in labour could possibly be "responsible" or in it up to their neck and how?
The last government's complete failure to implement Jay;s reccomendations is, however, utterly disgraceful.
And incitement too? [Post edited 15 Jun 15:53]
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| No Kier. on 16:27 - Jun 15 with 1589 views | BloomBlue |
| No Kier. on 15:51 - Jun 15 by redrickstuhaart |
What a load of nonsense. Who in labour could possibly be "responsible" or in it up to their neck and how?
The last government's complete failure to implement Jay;s reccomendations is, however, utterly disgraceful.
And incitement too? [Post edited 15 Jun 15:53]
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I guess they're referencing the fact some of the grooming occurred in Labour run authorities and clearly the failures have been at the local level.
Without a single person held accountable yet, for their failure to protect children at a local level, which is utterly disgraceful. | | | |
| No Kier. on 16:39 - Jun 15 with 1554 views | redrickstuhaart |
| No Kier. on 16:27 - Jun 15 by BloomBlue |
I guess they're referencing the fact some of the grooming occurred in Labour run authorities and clearly the failures have been at the local level.
Without a single person held accountable yet, for their failure to protect children at a local level, which is utterly disgraceful. |
They're not referencing anything, they are making things up ni a painfully inane and deliberately disinegneuous fashion. As appears to be the primary tactic of reform leaning folks.
Have you read the Jay report?
Why do we always have to have a person to hang everything on? Where is the person responsible in the last government for their failings, and where is the ruination fo their lives and public unrest?
Of course, one of the big issues forchildren's care and social services is cuts and resources. That is the big ongoing scandal if you are interested in caring for kids rather than dogwhistles and and political point scoring.
Very hard to get mental health services or social services active engagement unless someone is literally standing on the railings of a bridge, or sending a child into school with black eyes. [Post edited 15 Jun 16:41]
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| No Kier. on 16:47 - Jun 15 with 1531 views | mellowblue |
| No Kier. on 11:33 - Jun 15 by redrickstuhaart |
Im intrigued to know what questions people think an enquiry would be invited to answer.
This us playing to a dogwhistling crowd. |
don't believe so, what needs addressing is how the authorities, police, social services etc essentially turned a blind eye for years. | | | |
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