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Victims "clearly want action" and do not need a new national inquiry into grooming gangs, the woman who led a seven-year probe into child sexual abuse has said.
Prof Alexis Jay told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that "people should get on with" implementing her reforms and "locally people need to step up to the mark and do the things that have been recommended".
"We've had enough of inquiries, consultations and discussions - especially for the victims and survivors who've had the courage to come forward," she said
From what I've read, it seems to me the clamouring for an Inquiry comes from people confusing Inquiry with Criminal Investigation. Whilst criminal prosecution could follow an Inquiry... somehow I doubt it, like Grenfell, those who should be held to account rarely are.
Abuse of kids in care pre-dates the grooming gangs much "loved" by many social media users, by 100s(?) of years. And not limited to the mainland, Haut de la Garenne anyone, or away from UK, Mount Cashel Orphanage in Canada run by Catholic church, the list is probably endless.
It may be a bit pitchfork and blazing torches, but I want to see some people held accountable, because if there aren't it's another step towards admitting the system is broken, and the powers that be don't know how to fix it.
From what I've read, it seems to me the clamouring for an Inquiry comes from people confusing Inquiry with Criminal Investigation. Whilst criminal prosecution could follow an Inquiry... somehow I doubt it, like Grenfell, those who should be held to account rarely are.
Abuse of kids in care pre-dates the grooming gangs much "loved" by many social media users, by 100s(?) of years. And not limited to the mainland, Haut de la Garenne anyone, or away from UK, Mount Cashel Orphanage in Canada run by Catholic church, the list is probably endless.
It may be a bit pitchfork and blazing torches, but I want to see some people held accountable, because if there aren't it's another step towards admitting the system is broken, and the powers that be don't know how to fix it.
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About 56000 recorded offences of a sexual nature against under 16s in 23/24. Most were not by brown people.
Can we have an enquiry please about all those ones?
Which is that the Jay report already exists and has not been implemented.
And that most sexual assault of children is not done by brown people, and presumably equally warranting of an enquiry?
The Jay recommendation should be followed, of course.
Nobody has been held accountable from the Jay report. Witnesses were not legally required to take part in the report. That was a one of the criticisms.
The new enquiry will make it mandatory. People will be held accountable, which is what the victims, and public deserve. If the victims want an enquiry then that should be enough for anyone to accept, surely. Why is it not good enough for you?
The Jay recommendation should be followed, of course.
Nobody has been held accountable from the Jay report. Witnesses were not legally required to take part in the report. That was a one of the criticisms.
The new enquiry will make it mandatory. People will be held accountable, which is what the victims, and public deserve. If the victims want an enquiry then that should be enough for anyone to accept, surely. Why is it not good enough for you?
You are starting from the perspective that someone must be accountable (and presumably, some sort of revenge exacted) beyond the actually guilty parties. If you start from that perspective, you do not get a good enquiry, nor do you get a balanced assessment of the issues or necessity.
It is absurd to have endless enquiries to answer questions which do not progress our ability to deal with things better, any more than the existing enquiry already does.
Again, can we have enquiries about all the other sexual assaults on children? Or is a relatively small number of incidents invoving brown people, somehow more important to address?
Childrens services are failing people daily due to a lack of resources.
You are starting from the perspective that someone must be accountable (and presumably, some sort of revenge exacted) beyond the actually guilty parties. If you start from that perspective, you do not get a good enquiry, nor do you get a balanced assessment of the issues or necessity.
It is absurd to have endless enquiries to answer questions which do not progress our ability to deal with things better, any more than the existing enquiry already does.
Again, can we have enquiries about all the other sexual assaults on children? Or is a relatively small number of incidents invoving brown people, somehow more important to address?
Childrens services are failing people daily due to a lack of resources.
As someone with a professional interest, my view is that the Jay recommendations not being implemented reflects dreadfully on all politicians who have failed to take action and this should be prioritised.
Equally, the fact, and it is a fact, that there’s a pattern of authorities failing to properly investigate child sexual abuse for fear of being viewed as racist, requires proper scrutiny to move us past this. So some sort of mechanism is necessary.
Overall, my observation would be that most of the people commentating on the issue do not have the welfare of young people as a primary motivation.
From what I've read, it seems to me the clamouring for an Inquiry comes from people confusing Inquiry with Criminal Investigation. Whilst criminal prosecution could follow an Inquiry... somehow I doubt it, like Grenfell, those who should be held to account rarely are.
Abuse of kids in care pre-dates the grooming gangs much "loved" by many social media users, by 100s(?) of years. And not limited to the mainland, Haut de la Garenne anyone, or away from UK, Mount Cashel Orphanage in Canada run by Catholic church, the list is probably endless.
It may be a bit pitchfork and blazing torches, but I want to see some people held accountable, because if there aren't it's another step towards admitting the system is broken, and the powers that be don't know how to fix it.
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Quite. There are a couple of posts on the first page of this thread that says people need to be held accountable. Whilst I agree, an inquiry can’t apportion guilt or liability. It can look at systematic failures and make recommendations to fix them, but not apportion blame to any one individual (as far as I’m aware).
If another enquiry moves the dial, then fine. But there’s a danger this will just push back any action recommended in the Jay enquiry.
As someone with a professional interest, my view is that the Jay recommendations not being implemented reflects dreadfully on all politicians who have failed to take action and this should be prioritised.
Equally, the fact, and it is a fact, that there’s a pattern of authorities failing to properly investigate child sexual abuse for fear of being viewed as racist, requires proper scrutiny to move us past this. So some sort of mechanism is necessary.
Overall, my observation would be that most of the people commentating on the issue do not have the welfare of young people as a primary motivation.
Spot on. Most have not even looked at the report either.
The Jay recommendation should be followed, of course.
Nobody has been held accountable from the Jay report. Witnesses were not legally required to take part in the report. That was a one of the criticisms.
The new enquiry will make it mandatory. People will be held accountable, which is what the victims, and public deserve. If the victims want an enquiry then that should be enough for anyone to accept, surely. Why is it not good enough for you?
The inquiry held by Professor Jay was a statutory inquiry under the Inquiries Act 2005.
Section 21 of that Act enables the chair of such an inquiry to compel witnesses.
"If a witness with relevant evidence refuses to participate, however, section 21 of the Inquiries Act 2005 (the “Act”) empowers the Chair of a statutory public inquiry to issue a notice directing the witness to attend and give their evidence. If that person fails to appear, or threatens to breach the Chair’s direction, the Chair can apply to the High Court under section 36 of the Act for a witness summons to enforce the direction. The consequence of this step is that, if the witness continues to resist, they can be arrested and brought before the inquiry to give their evidence."
Quite. There are a couple of posts on the first page of this thread that says people need to be held accountable. Whilst I agree, an inquiry can’t apportion guilt or liability. It can look at systematic failures and make recommendations to fix them, but not apportion blame to any one individual (as far as I’m aware).
If another enquiry moves the dial, then fine. But there’s a danger this will just push back any action recommended in the Jay enquiry.
You are right. Section 2 of the Inquiries Act 2005 provides that an inquiry panel is not to rule on, and has no power to determine, any person's civil or criminal liability.
"If a witness with relevant evidence refuses to participate, however, section 21 of the Inquiries Act 2005 (the “Act”) empowers the Chair of a statutory public inquiry to issue a notice directing the witness to attend and give their evidence. If that person fails to appear, or threatens to breach the Chair’s direction, the Chair can apply to the High Court under section 36 of the Act for a witness summons to enforce the direction. The consequence of this step is that, if the witness continues to resist, they can be arrested and brought before the inquiry to give their evidence."
The Jay inquiry was an independent inquiry commissioned by Rotherham Council, not a statutory inquiry with the legal powers to compel witnesses.
This is the whole point. The new inquiry will be a public national inquiry. That's why Starmer and Philips etc have been against it.
If anything we should be shooting down missiles from both sides.
The innocent populations of Israel and Iran shouldn't be punished for the evil regimes which run their countries.
This is certainly a fair point but by logical extension of this argument we should also be involved in Gaza stopping an innocent population being punished as well.
The Jay inquiry was an independent inquiry commissioned by Rotherham Council, not a statutory inquiry with the legal powers to compel witnesses.
This is the whole point. The new inquiry will be a public national inquiry. That's why Starmer and Philips etc have been against it.
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We're obviously talking at cross-purposes. The Jay inquiry I have referred to throughout this thread is the all-encompassing statutory inquiry into child abuse (including grooming gangs) which made the recommendations that Professor Jay thinks should be implemented.
From your post to which I was responding I thought you were referring to that too because you mentioned her recommendations. But it seems you were in fact talking about the earlier Rotherham inquiry by her.
Either backup your insinuations or stop making them.
Pretty much all you've done since joining is make dogwhistling remarks and unsupported insinuations.
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I believe the new inquiry will cover 50 towns and cities impacted by Muslim rapes gangs, and the scale of the cover up will be difficult for us all to comprehend. Labour are deep in it, locally and nationally. They know it.
I believe the new inquiry will cover 50 towns and cities impacted by Muslim rapes gangs, and the scale of the cover up will be difficult for us all to comprehend. Labour are deep in it, locally and nationally. They know it.
Professor Alexis Jay has criticised the "weaponisation" of child sexual abuse by the Conservatives and accused the previous government of an "awful" response to the scandal.
The former chair of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse said she did not want to give Tory MPs "oxygen" after they called for a new national inquiry into grooming gangs.
The previous Conservative government did not implement any of the 20 recommendations she made after her final report into child sexual abuse, commissioned by then Tory home secretary Theresa May, was published in 2022 after hearing from 7,300 victims and survivors.
It found police and councils downplayed the scale of the problem and children were often blamed for their abuse.
I believe the new inquiry will cover 50 towns and cities impacted by Muslim rapes gangs, and the scale of the cover up will be difficult for us all to comprehend. Labour are deep in it, locally and nationally. They know it.
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