| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 22:36 - Jul 22 with 986 views | BlueBadger |
It's impressive, in a depressing way, how keen they seem to be on copying the mistakes of the Biden administration which got elected on a platform of 'vote for us, we're not the openly corrupt and incompetent bunch of bogots the last lot were' and then following up on a massive election victor by deciding that the people that they should be looking to appeal to is the sort of people who wouldn't vote for them anyway whilst managing alienate literally everyone else who voted for them.
All that majority, so little imagination and guts. [Post edited 22 Jul 22:36]
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 22:39 - Jul 22 with 947 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 22:36 - Jul 22 by BlueBadger |
It's impressive, in a depressing way, how keen they seem to be on copying the mistakes of the Biden administration which got elected on a platform of 'vote for us, we're not the openly corrupt and incompetent bunch of bogots the last lot were' and then following up on a massive election victor by deciding that the people that they should be looking to appeal to is the sort of people who wouldn't vote for them anyway whilst managing alienate literally everyone else who voted for them.
All that majority, so little imagination and guts. [Post edited 22 Jul 22:36]
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Got there in the end then! |  |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 22:47 - Jul 22 with 921 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 22:39 - Jul 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Got there in the end then! |
The Dear Leader was as much 'not the answer' as this shower.
If Ed Milliband had opted for the full English rather than that bloody bacon sarnie, we'd probably be in a hella lot better shape, right now. | |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 22:49 - Jul 22 with 908 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 22:47 - Jul 22 by BlueBadger |
The Dear Leader was as much 'not the answer' as this shower.
If Ed Milliband had opted for the full English rather than that bloody bacon sarnie, we'd probably be in a hella lot better shape, right now. |
No leaders and all that...it's all about the overall vision and this lot never had any! | |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 23:08 - Jul 22 with 848 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 22:49 - Jul 22 by BanksterDebtSlave |
No leaders and all that...it's all about the overall vision and this lot never had any! |
I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need more of the fearless Starmer who forensically dismantled Johnson and Sunak every Wednesday, offered principled opposition to Brexit and actively called out bigotry in the House rather than the feeble tosspot cowering in the face of the TERF lobby and GBeebies that we appear to be landed with. | |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 01:47 - Jul 23 with 743 views | mutters |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 23:08 - Jul 22 by BlueBadger |
I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need more of the fearless Starmer who forensically dismantled Johnson and Sunak every Wednesday, offered principled opposition to Brexit and actively called out bigotry in the House rather than the feeble tosspot cowering in the face of the TERF lobby and GBeebies that we appear to be landed with. |
The signs were there. Once he switched from Opposition Leader to prospective Prime Minster he shut up shop and really said sweet FA during the election campaign. The whole 'We are not the Tories' got him into no 10, not any great promises about what he would do once he got in.
So with that respects I suppose he is sticking to his election manifesto, say little and now he's doing little. |  |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 02:04 - Jul 23 with 731 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 01:47 - Jul 23 by mutters |
The signs were there. Once he switched from Opposition Leader to prospective Prime Minster he shut up shop and really said sweet FA during the election campaign. The whole 'We are not the Tories' got him into no 10, not any great promises about what he would do once he got in.
So with that respects I suppose he is sticking to his election manifesto, say little and now he's doing little. |
Although, with the whole austerity, cheap appeals to bigots and not standing up to dictators thing, one cold argue he's broken that whole 'we're not the Tories' promise he got elected on. | |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 04:35 - Jul 23 with 672 views | Juggsy |
Just wait until Rayner gets handed the job … it’s gonna be a long 4 years. |  | | |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:13 - Jul 23 with 484 views | DJR |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 22:47 - Jul 22 by BlueBadger |
The Dear Leader was as much 'not the answer' as this shower.
If Ed Milliband had opted for the full English rather than that bloody bacon sarnie, we'd probably be in a hella lot better shape, right now. |
Corbyn clearly wasn't leadership material but he was regarded as such a threat to the status quo that the political and media establishment (including the bulk of the Labour Party) personally attacked and undermined him from day one.
Indeed, your mocking reference to Dear Leader shows just how effective the campaign was.
As a member of the Labour Party at the time who didn't vote for Corbyn, it seemed to me that he offered a way forward that could have been built on by a better leader, but with slightly less radical policies (European social democraccy?).
It seemed at first that Starmer was that person but it was clearly all a con and the political establishment can now rest easy with any prospect of anything to left of Starmer off the table forever.
The thing is I saw the writing on the wall two or three years ago, and resigned from a Labour Party that seemed nothing more than an unpleasant empty vessel. [Post edited 23 Jul 9:14]
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:14 - Jul 23 with 477 views | NthQldITFC |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 22:36 - Jul 22 by BlueBadger |
It's impressive, in a depressing way, how keen they seem to be on copying the mistakes of the Biden administration which got elected on a platform of 'vote for us, we're not the openly corrupt and incompetent bunch of bogots the last lot were' and then following up on a massive election victor by deciding that the people that they should be looking to appeal to is the sort of people who wouldn't vote for them anyway whilst managing alienate literally everyone else who voted for them.
All that majority, so little imagination and guts. [Post edited 22 Jul 22:36]
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This is so terribly true, and so terribly concerning.
Like watching a five year slow motion car crash starting out thinking "well, they've got loads of time to take evasive action... Crikey! a year's gone and they seem to be actually accelerating into that big patch of oil with traffic backed up the other side of it... still at least there's another 4 years before the most horrific consequences of a major US style pile up... surely they'll change course..."
Farage looms. Stupid wanchors. |  |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:17 - Jul 23 with 458 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:13 - Jul 23 by DJR |
Corbyn clearly wasn't leadership material but he was regarded as such a threat to the status quo that the political and media establishment (including the bulk of the Labour Party) personally attacked and undermined him from day one.
Indeed, your mocking reference to Dear Leader shows just how effective the campaign was.
As a member of the Labour Party at the time who didn't vote for Corbyn, it seemed to me that he offered a way forward that could have been built on by a better leader, but with slightly less radical policies (European social democraccy?).
It seemed at first that Starmer was that person but it was clearly all a con and the political establishment can now rest easy with any prospect of anything to left of Starmer off the table forever.
The thing is I saw the writing on the wall two or three years ago, and resigned from a Labour Party that seemed nothing more than an unpleasant empty vessel. [Post edited 23 Jul 9:14]
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"Indeed, your mocking reference to Dear Leader shows just how effective the campaign was."
Well and truly Glasgowed! | |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:25 - Jul 23 with 432 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 22:47 - Jul 22 by BlueBadger |
The Dear Leader was as much 'not the answer' as this shower.
If Ed Milliband had opted for the full English rather than that bloody bacon sarnie, we'd probably be in a hella lot better shape, right now. |
They missed a trick by letting his brother walk away. Although given the state they’ve descended into, I’m not surprised he did.
There are so few options now if you would like a party that isn’t corrupted by corporate interests. In some respect Magic Grandpa may have been a partial antidote to that, but was never going to be (allowed to be?) elected. Not that there wasn’t other baggage there of course.
No wonder so many people feel politically homeless. |  |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:38 - Jul 23 with 407 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:13 - Jul 23 by DJR |
Corbyn clearly wasn't leadership material but he was regarded as such a threat to the status quo that the political and media establishment (including the bulk of the Labour Party) personally attacked and undermined him from day one.
Indeed, your mocking reference to Dear Leader shows just how effective the campaign was.
As a member of the Labour Party at the time who didn't vote for Corbyn, it seemed to me that he offered a way forward that could have been built on by a better leader, but with slightly less radical policies (European social democraccy?).
It seemed at first that Starmer was that person but it was clearly all a con and the political establishment can now rest easy with any prospect of anything to left of Starmer off the table forever.
The thing is I saw the writing on the wall two or three years ago, and resigned from a Labour Party that seemed nothing more than an unpleasant empty vessel. [Post edited 23 Jul 9:14]
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I was never a fan tbh (the mud sticks, even when you try to be impartial), but it was incredible to see that campaign playing out incessantly. He obviously worried a lot of people in high places. I don’t think I’ve ever witnessed anything else like it for a politician, even down to front page critiques of his tie or coat choice that was somehow twisted into into ‘evidence’ of his lack of patriotism.
If only the press would show a hint of that level of critique towards Farage and Reform, we’d be a lot happier and wealthier country. | |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:38 - Jul 23 with 405 views | DJR |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:25 - Jul 23 by Swansea_Blue |
They missed a trick by letting his brother walk away. Although given the state they’ve descended into, I’m not surprised he did.
There are so few options now if you would like a party that isn’t corrupted by corporate interests. In some respect Magic Grandpa may have been a partial antidote to that, but was never going to be (allowed to be?) elected. Not that there wasn’t other baggage there of course.
No wonder so many people feel politically homeless. |
Magic Grandpa? | | | |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:42 - Jul 23 with 382 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:38 - Jul 23 by DJR |
Magic Grandpa? |
Ah yes, that was his nickname on here back in the day. It probably proves your point though. | |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:49 - Jul 23 with 366 views | DJR |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 09:42 - Jul 23 by Swansea_Blue |
Ah yes, that was his nickname on here back in the day. It probably proves your point though. |
I think it was more widespread than here.
And to his credit, Corby didn't believe in personalising things which admittedly was perhaps a mistake politically.
This is something I have always bought into. Indeed, I always referred to her as Mrs Thatcher rather than what I thought was the derogatory "Thatcher" even though I was never a fan. [Post edited 23 Jul 9:52]
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 10:19 - Jul 23 with 315 views | MattinLondon |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 23:08 - Jul 22 by BlueBadger |
I've said it before and I'll say it again, we need more of the fearless Starmer who forensically dismantled Johnson and Sunak every Wednesday, offered principled opposition to Brexit and actively called out bigotry in the House rather than the feeble tosspot cowering in the face of the TERF lobby and GBeebies that we appear to be landed with. |
I don’t regret voting for Labour but so far they have been somewhat disappointing.
Leading up to the last election I’m not surprised that KS didn’t really say anything controversial or anything which the Daily Mail could brand as far-left. But once in power, I expected him to be more radical - I understand that unpopular decisions have had to be made as the Tories deliberately left the country in a complete mess.
But I did naively think that he would have called out Brexit and attacked the inequity society. But instead he’s gone soft reform and tried to tickle the tabloids.
The thing is, traditional Tory voters (including Reform) as well as many on the left of the Labour Party will never be his friends. But he doesn’t seem to understand that. Many on the far left of the Labour will also never be his friends but they seem to be far happier shouting from the backbenches than actually being in power.
I don’t feel cheated but just very disappointed- he needs to come out fighting, attack the people who he has tried to woo, possibly lay out peace offerings to those in the Labour Party who just had misgivings about some of his policies. And this will need changing his advisors as I do think he listens to them too much (no basis in fact for that last sentence).
But he needs a complete rethink as nothing but a change in direction will help him out here. |  | | |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 10:40 - Jul 23 with 263 views | DJR |
Interesting to note that support for the Occupied Palestinian Territories next year is being cut from £127 million to £101 million.
That's a consequence of cuts to the UK aid budget which will affect Africa, women and children worse.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1wpr39zg5xo
But it's popular with voters. | | | |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 10:53 - Jul 23 with 241 views | baxterbasics |
I feel cheated every time I look at the 'deductions' column in my pay slip.
Regardless of which clown is in charge. |  |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 10:54 - Jul 23 with 236 views | DJR |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 10:19 - Jul 23 by MattinLondon |
I don’t regret voting for Labour but so far they have been somewhat disappointing.
Leading up to the last election I’m not surprised that KS didn’t really say anything controversial or anything which the Daily Mail could brand as far-left. But once in power, I expected him to be more radical - I understand that unpopular decisions have had to be made as the Tories deliberately left the country in a complete mess.
But I did naively think that he would have called out Brexit and attacked the inequity society. But instead he’s gone soft reform and tried to tickle the tabloids.
The thing is, traditional Tory voters (including Reform) as well as many on the left of the Labour Party will never be his friends. But he doesn’t seem to understand that. Many on the far left of the Labour will also never be his friends but they seem to be far happier shouting from the backbenches than actually being in power.
I don’t feel cheated but just very disappointed- he needs to come out fighting, attack the people who he has tried to woo, possibly lay out peace offerings to those in the Labour Party who just had misgivings about some of his policies. And this will need changing his advisors as I do think he listens to them too much (no basis in fact for that last sentence).
But he needs a complete rethink as nothing but a change in direction will help him out here. |
I suppose it comes to something when handpicked non-leftist new Labour MPs are starting to object to what's going on. On the other hand, there are Red Wall MPs who want the party to go more Reform.
https://www.survation.com/how-left-or-right-wing-is-each-mp/
The graph shows very few on the left of the party.
"The Labour party contains the widest range of MPs positions, spanning from the most left-wing MP, to some overlapping ideologically with Conservative MPs. However, while it has some outlying MPs to the extreme and the centre, the vast majority of Labour MPs are clustered around the average of the party.
Interestingly, both party leaders buck their party’s trend: Keir Starmer sits to the right of the average Labour MP, while Kemi Badenoch is further to the right than the typical Conservative MP:
– Prime Minister Keir Starmer is estimated to be to the right of the average (median) MP in the Labour party with a score of 47 (on a scale of 0-100), compared to a score of 40 for the median Labour MP.
– The PM also falls to the right of the median MP (score of 42) when compared with the whole commons."
– The leader of the opposition, Kemi Badenoch is also to the right of the average MP from her party, with a score of 75 compared to 67 for the median Conservative MP. [Post edited 23 Jul 10:59]
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 11:03 - Jul 23 with 208 views | DJR |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 10:40 - Jul 23 by DJR |
Interesting to note that support for the Occupied Palestinian Territories next year is being cut from £127 million to £101 million.
That's a consequence of cuts to the UK aid budget which will affect Africa, women and children worse.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1wpr39zg5xo
But it's popular with voters. |
Countries with much higher standards of living than us and much better public services have much higher taxes than us.
I suppose you get what you pay for. | | | |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 11:13 - Jul 23 with 180 views | NthQldITFC |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 10:53 - Jul 23 by baxterbasics |
I feel cheated every time I look at the 'deductions' column in my pay slip.
Regardless of which clown is in charge. |
Is there a level at which you wouldn't 'feel cheated' apart from 0%? | |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 11:13 - Jul 23 with 178 views | OldFart71 |
There is I'm afraid not a good word to be had by myself about this current Labour Government.
Yes I'm a Tory boy, but admit they made a complete hash of their 14 years tenure where too many things to mention were badly wrong and I totally see why large swathes of the Country are now turning to Reform as Farage says the things they want to hear.
We are as a Country in an almighty mess, close to having to ask to be bailed out by the IMF.
I am not racist and see no reason why families from war torn Countries cannot be allowed to come to Britain.
But thousands of young men many of whom we have no idea why they are coming here (except for the too generous benefits they get here), some of whom are already committing crime allegedly, leading to ordinary people taking to the streets (Not the yobs who just join in).
Unrest is sweeping many parts of Europe and Greece has informed anyone trying to illegally enter a return ticket to where they came from or a five year jail sentence |  | | |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 11:26 - Jul 23 with 129 views | baxterbasics |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 11:13 - Jul 23 by NthQldITFC |
Is there a level at which you wouldn't 'feel cheated' apart from 0%? |
Yes | |
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| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 11:27 - Jul 23 with 127 views | NthQldITFC |
| Labour....ever feel like you've been cheated? on 11:26 - Jul 23 by baxterbasics |
Yes |
 It was a silly question, wasn't it, sry. | |
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