| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... 10:39 - Aug 12 with 1931 views | Bellevue_Blue |
Non Ipswich related but given the investment, I am continually staggered on a daily basis by just how poorly Newcastle are run and how they've dealt with this whole Isak saga.
On the eve of the season, how do you get into a situation where your best player has said he's never going to play for the club again and 80% of the adequate replacements have already moved clubs.
Surely the hierarchy knew this situation might come about earlier this summer and even now when it's been a live situation for 4+ weeks, they still continue to let it rumble on with no end in sight.
The sad reality is that every single club besides Real Madrid and Barcelona are a selling club. Players just have too much power.
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:49 - Aug 12 with 1689 views | tractorboy1978 |
Not sure how it shows they are poorly run. They've tried to sign Pedro, Ekitite, Delap and Sesko to replace him and been gazumped by bigger clubs. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:50 - Aug 12 with 1682 views | _clive_baker_ |
I have some sympathy with Newcastle tbh, this reflects worse on the player. Shameful to go AWOL and down tools like that, he needs to remember who pays his wages and the fact he signed a contract. Had he got a nasty long term injury I dare say his club wouldn't refuse to pay him again. [Post edited 12 Aug 10:50]
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:53 - Aug 12 with 1633 views | Basuco |
Another greedy footballer pushing for a move, it is not surprising these days, quite happy to sign a contract but now wants to break that contract. Football is broken. |  | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:57 - Aug 12 with 1577 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:49 - Aug 12 by tractorboy1978 |
Not sure how it shows they are poorly run. They've tried to sign Pedro, Ekitite, Delap and Sesko to replace him and been gazumped by bigger clubs. |
That in itself is an example of why they're being poorly run. If Ipswich had publicly tried to sign 4 players in one position and all of them went to different clubs, you'd probably be asking a question or two of Mark Ashton and our ability to be pro-active in the market and persuade players to choose Ipswich.
You wouldn't say 'fair play, we tried really hard' because the effort makes no difference to the product on the pitch. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:59 - Aug 12 with 1562 views | giant_stow |
I think they're either currently without many top brass or have only just hired new bods. I read somewhere that Eddie Howe and his son have been handling transfer this summer for instance, so it kind of adds up.
Apart from anything, they're in a horrible position: they want the market value, but Isak and Liverpool are doing their best to drive that value down. The longer it carries on, the worse it gets for Newcastle. |  |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:05 - Aug 12 with 1489 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:50 - Aug 12 by _clive_baker_ |
I have some sympathy with Newcastle tbh, this reflects worse on the player. Shameful to go AWOL and down tools like that, he needs to remember who pays his wages and the fact he signed a contract. Had he got a nasty long term injury I dare say his club wouldn't refuse to pay him again. [Post edited 12 Aug 10:50]
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Totally agree, terrible look for the player but there is only one party really losing out here and that is the club. They've not got the £130M that they could have had, they've not got a replacement, they're playing PL games without him, they've got a situation that is almost certainly impacting squad morale and there is no resolution in sight.
They could have had Sesko, Wissa and more for the price of Isak but instead have played hardball to the point that they're in a far far worse position than the start of the window. [Post edited 12 Aug 11:07]
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:08 - Aug 12 with 1444 views | tractorboy1978 |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:57 - Aug 12 by Bellevue_Blue |
That in itself is an example of why they're being poorly run. If Ipswich had publicly tried to sign 4 players in one position and all of them went to different clubs, you'd probably be asking a question or two of Mark Ashton and our ability to be pro-active in the market and persuade players to choose Ipswich.
You wouldn't say 'fair play, we tried really hard' because the effort makes no difference to the product on the pitch. |
If any of those players had turned down Chelsea/Liverpool/Man Utd to join Newcastle then that would be seen as a coup. It's not like they've been turned down for a comparable club like Villa. There is a pecking order unfortunately and with the PSR rules they don't have the same capacity to spend and grow as Man City were blessed with all those years ago. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:09 - Aug 12 with 1424 views | cressi |
It's strange richer ownership than a anyone in the Premiership.
Chelsea, Man City , Liverpool and others spent money like water. | | | |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:11 - Aug 12 with 1400 views | Basuco |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:59 - Aug 12 by giant_stow |
I think they're either currently without many top brass or have only just hired new bods. I read somewhere that Eddie Howe and his son have been handling transfer this summer for instance, so it kind of adds up.
Apart from anything, they're in a horrible position: they want the market value, but Isak and Liverpool are doing their best to drive that value down. The longer it carries on, the worse it gets for Newcastle. |
Although after Sundays performance you could say Liverpool need him as much if not more than Newcastle, Liverpool need to pay the going rate or move on as they do urgently need a top quality striker. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:15 - Aug 12 with 1364 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:08 - Aug 12 by tractorboy1978 |
If any of those players had turned down Chelsea/Liverpool/Man Utd to join Newcastle then that would be seen as a coup. It's not like they've been turned down for a comparable club like Villa. There is a pecking order unfortunately and with the PSR rules they don't have the same capacity to spend and grow as Man City were blessed with all those years ago. |
Sure and the Newcastle top brass knew that and still pursued them without pivoting to options quickly when the deals were dead.
They could have bid for Ekitike/ Sesko in June but they waited for the Isak situation to blow up before actively pursuing them, subsequently giving opportunities to Liverpool & United to test the waters on other deals and return to targets they wanted. [Post edited 12 Aug 11:15]
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:16 - Aug 12 with 1336 views | ArnieM |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:53 - Aug 12 by Basuco |
Another greedy footballer pushing for a move, it is not surprising these days, quite happy to sign a contract but now wants to break that contract. Football is broken. |
Isn't that the truth. |  |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:18 - Aug 12 with 1317 views | _clive_baker_ |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:05 - Aug 12 by Bellevue_Blue |
Totally agree, terrible look for the player but there is only one party really losing out here and that is the club. They've not got the £130M that they could have had, they've not got a replacement, they're playing PL games without him, they've got a situation that is almost certainly impacting squad morale and there is no resolution in sight.
They could have had Sesko, Wissa and more for the price of Isak but instead have played hardball to the point that they're in a far far worse position than the start of the window. [Post edited 12 Aug 11:07]
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Valid points, its a tough one but in Newcastle's defence they can't pull their pants down and bend over at the first sign of interest just because he's trying to force a move. It doesn't send much of a message to others and ultimately he's their player.
There's 2 ways of looking at it, and not having him available is a terrible outcome. We've found ourselves in a similar position with Omari. Not suggesting its his own doing like in this case, but he's barely had a pre season and already missed one of our toughest looking games on paper. Maybe the illness is legit, I'll take KM's word for it, but either way its compromised his pre season. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:36 - Aug 12 with 1198 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:18 - Aug 12 by _clive_baker_ |
Valid points, its a tough one but in Newcastle's defence they can't pull their pants down and bend over at the first sign of interest just because he's trying to force a move. It doesn't send much of a message to others and ultimately he's their player.
There's 2 ways of looking at it, and not having him available is a terrible outcome. We've found ourselves in a similar position with Omari. Not suggesting its his own doing like in this case, but he's barely had a pre season and already missed one of our toughest looking games on paper. Maybe the illness is legit, I'll take KM's word for it, but either way its compromised his pre season. |
No you can't be seen to just cave but they could certainly learn a thing or two from Brighton. When a top player wants to leave Brighton, there is no media furore, no public hardball, no long drawn out saga. They simply keep it in house, get the best possible deal for the club as quickly as possible and sign the replacement.
Newcastle have failed to do all of the above and are now in a situation where they've had an average window that could have been brilliant with the correct planning.
It never ever works out for the club and as you say, we are experiencing it with Omari all be it at a much much lower level because he's training and possibly/ hopefully playing games. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:54 - Aug 12 with 1064 views | HighgateBlue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:50 - Aug 12 by _clive_baker_ |
I have some sympathy with Newcastle tbh, this reflects worse on the player. Shameful to go AWOL and down tools like that, he needs to remember who pays his wages and the fact he signed a contract. Had he got a nasty long term injury I dare say his club wouldn't refuse to pay him again. [Post edited 12 Aug 10:50]
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Players used to play for Clubs.
Now Clubs play for players. |  | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 12:13 - Aug 12 with 959 views | chicoazul |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 10:53 - Aug 12 by Basuco |
Another greedy footballer pushing for a move, it is not surprising these days, quite happy to sign a contract but now wants to break that contract. Football is broken. |
God forbid we ever sign a player who acts like that eh. |  |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 12:18 - Aug 12 with 914 views | Herbivore |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 11:05 - Aug 12 by Bellevue_Blue |
Totally agree, terrible look for the player but there is only one party really losing out here and that is the club. They've not got the £130M that they could have had, they've not got a replacement, they're playing PL games without him, they've got a situation that is almost certainly impacting squad morale and there is no resolution in sight.
They could have had Sesko, Wissa and more for the price of Isak but instead have played hardball to the point that they're in a far far worse position than the start of the window. [Post edited 12 Aug 11:07]
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They tried to sign Sesko and he decided he preferred United. Not sure how they could have signed him? |  |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 12:47 - Aug 12 with 754 views | bsw72 |
An example of a poorly run club is financial mismanagement, legal problems, points deductions etc.
A single player throwing a tantrum and a club not being able to compete with other more [perceived] "glamorous" clubs for transfers does not mean poorly run, can actually mean well run and not giving into player demands breaking wage structures etc.
Don't confuse poorly run with less attractive from a commercial / publicity / geographical sense. In my opinion they are better run than Man Utd and Spurs with financial stability, good management team and performing within the outlined financial controls. |  | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 13:15 - Aug 12 with 623 views | Radlett_blue |
What will you say if Omari leaves us for £40m on the last day of the transfer window & all we can get to replace him is some donkey on loan? |  |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 14:26 - Aug 12 with 446 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 12:18 - Aug 12 by Herbivore |
They tried to sign Sesko and he decided he preferred United. Not sure how they could have signed him? |
Newcastle first had reported interest in Sesko on July 24th — 54 days after the start of the transfer window. Back in June, United were all in on trying to sign Delap and then Gyokeres.
Had Newcastle shown any foresight, they could have wrapped this deal up in June. Add to that the fact that Isak had apparently told the hierarchy he wanted to leave last summer, and again before the end of the season, so they already knew they would need to replace him.
They missed their chance, and United swooped in after losing out on other targets. This whole saga has been nothing short of complete negligence from Newcastle. [Post edited 12 Aug 14:47]
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 14:28 - Aug 12 with 440 views | iamatractorboy |
If he's refusing to play, I hope they've stopped paying him. | | | |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 14:40 - Aug 12 with 408 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 12:47 - Aug 12 by bsw72 |
An example of a poorly run club is financial mismanagement, legal problems, points deductions etc.
A single player throwing a tantrum and a club not being able to compete with other more [perceived] "glamorous" clubs for transfers does not mean poorly run, can actually mean well run and not giving into player demands breaking wage structures etc.
Don't confuse poorly run with less attractive from a commercial / publicity / geographical sense. In my opinion they are better run than Man Utd and Spurs with financial stability, good management team and performing within the outlined financial controls. |
I think you've taken my point a bit literally.
They are obviously not a poorly run club but the way in which their window has unfolded with the Isak situation/ failure to land players does not showcase a well run club.
More generally, I'm not sure they are as brilliantly run as you make out. The CEO sadly announced he would step down a year ago and they are yet to hire a new one.Their Sporting Director left in June after less than a year in the post with murmurings of Ross Wilson now coming in but without the ability to really impact this window.
The lack of real stability in either senior leadership position does not suggest a club that is making really solid decisions behind the scenes. [Post edited 12 Aug 14:45]
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 14:40 - Aug 12 with 402 views | Swansea_Blue |
Could an alternative thread title be ‘spoilt footballer throws a tantrum’? |  |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 14:47 - Aug 12 with 343 views | Herbivore |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 14:26 - Aug 12 by Bellevue_Blue |
Newcastle first had reported interest in Sesko on July 24th — 54 days after the start of the transfer window. Back in June, United were all in on trying to sign Delap and then Gyokeres.
Had Newcastle shown any foresight, they could have wrapped this deal up in June. Add to that the fact that Isak had apparently told the hierarchy he wanted to leave last summer, and again before the end of the season, so they already knew they would need to replace him.
They missed their chance, and United swooped in after losing out on other targets. This whole saga has been nothing short of complete negligence from Newcastle. [Post edited 12 Aug 14:47]
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You honestly think if they'd gone earlier for Sesko that nobody else would have gone in for him? Think that's very naive. And even if we accept that it's possible that nobody else would have gone in for him, if they'd signed Sesko and then no interest had materialised in Isak, they'd be left with two top class strikers to try and keep happy when only one of them would be likely to start most weeks. I'm going to trot out the well used line that real life is not like Football Manager. | |
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 15:03 - Aug 12 with 259 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 14:47 - Aug 12 by Herbivore |
You honestly think if they'd gone earlier for Sesko that nobody else would have gone in for him? Think that's very naive. And even if we accept that it's possible that nobody else would have gone in for him, if they'd signed Sesko and then no interest had materialised in Isak, they'd be left with two top class strikers to try and keep happy when only one of them would be likely to start most weeks. I'm going to trot out the well used line that real life is not like Football Manager. |
We can only deal in the facts that we know. At the start of the window in June there was Saudi interest, he prioritised Europe. There were Arsenal talks but they preferred Gyokeres so yes it is entirely plausible that Newcastle would have been the only good option at that time. United were not interested then.
It was only when Isak kicked up a fuss about not being able to leave that they decided they wanted him and by that point it was too late.
They were also trying to sign another quality striker to play with Isak! They were bidding for Ekitike before Liverpool had the bid rejected for Isak! They wanted Isak and another world class player.
All backed up by reputable sources ...
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| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 15:13 - Aug 12 with 207 views | Radlett_blue |
| How not to run a football club by Newcastle United ... on 14:28 - Aug 12 by iamatractorboy |
If he's refusing to play, I hope they've stopped paying him. |
Would be interesting to hear what the PFA - who invariably support their "members" - might have to say on this issue. | |
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