| Muric gone on 10:29 - Aug 13 with 382 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Muric gone on 10:21 - Aug 13 by PhilTWTD |
I just don't think you can trust Muric, the errors he made were so egregious, they were at another level to the regular mistakes keepers can make. And he tended to fall apart having made them, the Man City away game for example, when a second mistake immediately followed the first.
Technically, he obviously has a lot of attributes but I don't think he's got the mentality required. There seems a lack of concentration and doesn't seem to be able to put errors behind him, as keepers need to do. He's 26, so really ought to have progressed on that front. |
Palmer has made lots of mistakes but has been very fortunate that they weren't punished. |  |
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| Muric gone on 10:30 - Aug 13 with 367 views | pointofblue |
| Muric gone on 10:28 - Aug 13 by FrimleyBlue |
oh completely get that, it just suprises me how little people have made of palmer and walton, both are solid pros, but extremely average keepers
as we do have money available, I do think we need to find golden number 1, just dont use goalkeeper.com again |
I wouldn't be against just getting Hladky back to be honest. He knows how we play, he works in a McKenna system and he's not overly accident prone. If we can get someone who's better, sure, but if not, he's fine.
I would prefer a set up of new keeper, Palmer and Button heading into the winter months, with Walton also moved on. |  |
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| Muric gone on 10:32 - Aug 13 with 352 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Muric gone on 10:09 - Aug 13 by Clutch |
It was nice of Walton to "do a Muric" last night as a tribute. |
Claiming high balls in his box is the one thing Muric never messed up on. | |
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| Muric gone on 10:33 - Aug 13 with 344 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric gone on 10:29 - Aug 13 by GlasgowBlue |
Palmer has made lots of mistakes but has been very fortunate that they weren't punished. |
he's made mistakes in pretty much every game, but it's a mix
can be a short pass gone wrong, getting caught on the ball, not being able to actually claim a corner, giving indirect freekicks and corners away, friday lofting it in the air down the middle which did lead to their goal
he gets an incredible amount of nothingness from the forum which i find really suprising. |  |
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| Muric gone on 10:37 - Aug 13 with 316 views | Herbivore |
| Muric gone on 10:29 - Aug 13 by GlasgowBlue |
Palmer has made lots of mistakes but has been very fortunate that they weren't punished. |
Muric made other mistakes, particularly with passing out, that also weren't punished with a goal against. I make Phil bang on, you can't trust a keeper that makes those kind of howlers that often. He cost us so many points through his brain farts and they've been a feature of his game throughout his career with no sign that he's getting any better. |  |
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| Muric gone on 10:38 - Aug 13 with 317 views | PhilTWTD |
| Muric gone on 10:29 - Aug 13 by GlasgowBlue |
Palmer has made lots of mistakes but has been very fortunate that they weren't punished. |
I don't think he makes anything like the errors Muric made, you couldn't trust him to make even the simplest of saves, saves you know he's capable of. When Palmer came in it was a relief to have a keeper who you knew would do the simple, basic stuff of a keeper competently. |  | | |
| We’d have won last night…. on 10:38 - Aug 13 with 309 views | HighgateBlue |
| We’d have won last night…. on 10:15 - Aug 13 by Bloots |
….if Muric had played.
True story. |
We may well have won if Omari and Broadhead had played. A club that can't even get their own players onto the pitch and then loses to a club whose ground consists mainly of a fence has serious problems. |  | | |
| Muric gone on 10:41 - Aug 13 with 304 views | PhilTWTD |
| Muric gone on 10:33 - Aug 13 by FrimleyBlue |
he's made mistakes in pretty much every game, but it's a mix
can be a short pass gone wrong, getting caught on the ball, not being able to actually claim a corner, giving indirect freekicks and corners away, friday lofting it in the air down the middle which did lead to their goal
he gets an incredible amount of nothingness from the forum which i find really suprising. |
I don't think you can blame him for Friday's goal, playing that pass is part of the playing out approach, it was Hirst (?) losing out on the header and the centre-backs being in a bit of a mess which were more the issue. I think Palmer is fine, not the best keeper we've had but a decent enough Championship number one and one you're not concerned about all the time, as was the case with Muric. | | | |
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| Muric gone on 10:41 - Aug 13 with 301 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric gone on 10:38 - Aug 13 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think he makes anything like the errors Muric made, you couldn't trust him to make even the simplest of saves, saves you know he's capable of. When Palmer came in it was a relief to have a keeper who you knew would do the simple, basic stuff of a keeper competently. |
Didnt we kind of sign another walton though with palmer, i can't say i see many differences between the two
do you think we are on the look out for a number 1? | |
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| Muric gone on 10:44 - Aug 13 with 286 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric gone on 10:41 - Aug 13 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think you can blame him for Friday's goal, playing that pass is part of the playing out approach, it was Hirst (?) losing out on the header and the centre-backs being in a bit of a mess which were more the issue. I think Palmer is fine, not the best keeper we've had but a decent enough Championship number one and one you're not concerned about all the time, as was the case with Muric. |
I personally think you can, if it's known in non league then it's known in proper footy, keepers should never pop float a ball in the air down the middle, most of the time defenders are not in the best positions. Clarke didn't help with his terrible attempt at heading the ball, but the risk was always high that the ball was coming straight back down the throats of our defenders.
I cant say palmer is the worst ever, he's not, neither is walton, but i feel we have two back up keepers
im gutted to see muric go tho, i get your points and others and agree about the trust issue so it makes sense hes gone, but his attributes we have solely missed when it comes to set pieces etc | |
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| Muric gone on 10:49 - Aug 13 with 270 views | PhilTWTD |
| Muric gone on 10:41 - Aug 13 by FrimleyBlue |
Didnt we kind of sign another walton though with palmer, i can't say i see many differences between the two
do you think we are on the look out for a number 1? |
I wouldn't have thought so. Unless Walton wants to move on for games, which I would have expected by now but seems no sign of being the case, I can't see they'll look for another keeper. | | | |
| Muric gone on 10:52 - Aug 13 with 250 views | PhilTWTD |
| Muric gone on 10:44 - Aug 13 by FrimleyBlue |
I personally think you can, if it's known in non league then it's known in proper footy, keepers should never pop float a ball in the air down the middle, most of the time defenders are not in the best positions. Clarke didn't help with his terrible attempt at heading the ball, but the risk was always high that the ball was coming straight back down the throats of our defenders.
I cant say palmer is the worst ever, he's not, neither is walton, but i feel we have two back up keepers
im gutted to see muric go tho, i get your points and others and agree about the trust issue so it makes sense hes gone, but his attributes we have solely missed when it comes to set pieces etc |
That is one of the passes made available by playing out from the back, there's a big gap created in which to pass into the centre forward. It may have been overhit but I don't think a headed ball from not far off halfway should come straight down the middle undefended in that manner. | | | |
| Muric gone on 10:52 - Aug 13 with 247 views | only_one_sir_bobby |
| Muric gone on 10:41 - Aug 13 by PhilTWTD |
I don't think you can blame him for Friday's goal, playing that pass is part of the playing out approach, it was Hirst (?) losing out on the header and the centre-backs being in a bit of a mess which were more the issue. I think Palmer is fine, not the best keeper we've had but a decent enough Championship number one and one you're not concerned about all the time, as was the case with Muric. |
Sorry Phil, but I’ve got to disagree with you on that one. I thought Palmer was hugely at fault for the goal. Watching it back, he has a simple 8–10 yard pass into Taylor—who’s got no one within six yards of him. From there, Taylor has an easy ball out to a completely unmarked O’Shea, and suddenly we’ve beaten the press and we’re away. You can even see Greaves get frustrated with him the moment he launches it long. Those are the kinds of passes we’ve been making consistently under KMc, so it’s nothing new. Instead, we ended up with our centre-backs split and exposed as soon as Clarke lost the first header.
I do agree with you that Palmer is fine and more than capable at this level, but he is prone to the mistake, they just aren't as egregious as Muric's. | | | |
| Muric gone on 10:53 - Aug 13 with 240 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Muric gone on 10:49 - Aug 13 by PhilTWTD |
I wouldn't have thought so. Unless Walton wants to move on for games, which I would have expected by now but seems no sign of being the case, I can't see they'll look for another keeper. |
Shambles really as none of them are particularly good enough. I wasn't the biggest fan of Hladky's, but given the necessity to start our attacks from our keeper, he was the best with his feet. Palmer is nowhere near his level, something which I think we'll come to regret as the season goes on. [Post edited 13 Aug 10:54]
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| Muric gone on 10:54 - Aug 13 with 230 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric gone on 10:52 - Aug 13 by PhilTWTD |
That is one of the passes made available by playing out from the back, there's a big gap created in which to pass into the centre forward. It may have been overhit but I don't think a headed ball from not far off halfway should come straight down the middle undefended in that manner. |
actually to be fair, ive just looked at it again, he fluffs it, i think he was aiming for davis who was free on the left, but he scuffs the kick and it barely reaches halfway hence clarke being the nearest to the ball. so he was choosing the right option to being with i think, but then it opens up the question of should he have passed it short to oshea who could then pass short to johnson. so many questions lol. [Post edited 13 Aug 10:57]
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| Muric gone on 10:56 - Aug 13 with 227 views | PhilTWTD |
| Muric gone on 10:53 - Aug 13 by Kieran_Knows |
Shambles really as none of them are particularly good enough. I wasn't the biggest fan of Hladky's, but given the necessity to start our attacks from our keeper, he was the best with his feet. Palmer is nowhere near his level, something which I think we'll come to regret as the season goes on. [Post edited 13 Aug 10:54]
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Mentally, I think Hladky was very together, wasn't he? I don't think as a traditional keeper he's as good as Palmer or Walton but with his feet he was a level above and when he did make an error, he was able to get over it quickly. | | | |
| Muric gone on 10:58 - Aug 13 with 206 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Muric gone on 10:56 - Aug 13 by PhilTWTD |
Mentally, I think Hladky was very together, wasn't he? I don't think as a traditional keeper he's as good as Palmer or Walton but with his feet he was a level above and when he did make an error, he was able to get over it quickly. |
I must admit, i didn't really see why we didnt feel hladky could play prem football, what were his shortcomings? | |
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| Muric gone on 11:01 - Aug 13 with 196 views | PhilTWTD |
| Muric gone on 10:52 - Aug 13 by only_one_sir_bobby |
Sorry Phil, but I’ve got to disagree with you on that one. I thought Palmer was hugely at fault for the goal. Watching it back, he has a simple 8–10 yard pass into Taylor—who’s got no one within six yards of him. From there, Taylor has an easy ball out to a completely unmarked O’Shea, and suddenly we’ve beaten the press and we’re away. You can even see Greaves get frustrated with him the moment he launches it long. Those are the kinds of passes we’ve been making consistently under KMc, so it’s nothing new. Instead, we ended up with our centre-backs split and exposed as soon as Clarke lost the first header.
I do agree with you that Palmer is fine and more than capable at this level, but he is prone to the mistake, they just aren't as egregious as Muric's. |
I've just watched it back, hadn't seen it since Friday at the game, and I can see both arguments, think ultimately a combination of errors from various people including Palmer. He had other options, as you say, and I assume he was aiming to go longer and find Hirst rather than Clarke. But at the same time, the headed ball down the middle going undefended was particularly Sunday morning. | | | |
| Muric gone on 11:03 - Aug 13 with 175 views | PhilTWTD |
| Muric gone on 10:58 - Aug 13 by FrimleyBlue |
I must admit, i didn't really see why we didnt feel hladky could play prem football, what were his shortcomings? |
Town offered him a contract, he turned it down as he felt he could get better elsewhere. I actually think had he stayed they'd have brought in someone else above him. I don't think he's a good enough keeper all-round for the Premier League, but is very good with his feet. | | | |
| Muric gone on 11:12 - Aug 13 with 114 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Muric gone on 10:56 - Aug 13 by PhilTWTD |
Mentally, I think Hladky was very together, wasn't he? I don't think as a traditional keeper he's as good as Palmer or Walton but with his feet he was a level above and when he did make an error, he was able to get over it quickly. |
Hladky was always two passes ahead of the opposition. There is being good with your feet but Hladky was on another level because of his footballing brain. | |
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| Muric gone on 11:13 - Aug 13 with 104 views | only_one_sir_bobby |
| Muric gone on 11:01 - Aug 13 by PhilTWTD |
I've just watched it back, hadn't seen it since Friday at the game, and I can see both arguments, think ultimately a combination of errors from various people including Palmer. He had other options, as you say, and I assume he was aiming to go longer and find Hirst rather than Clarke. But at the same time, the headed ball down the middle going undefended was particularly Sunday morning. |
Fair point—most goals are a culmination of errors, I suppose. Greaves reacting to him the moment he kicked it long was probably a mistake in itself, as it meant he wasn’t fully concentrating and ended up slightly out of position. It just seemed, at the time, such an easy and obvious pass into Taylor, and then we’d have had acres of space out on the right. | | | |
| Muric gone on 11:15 - Aug 13 with 91 views | tonybied |
| Muric gone on 10:56 - Aug 13 by PhilTWTD |
Mentally, I think Hladky was very together, wasn't he? I don't think as a traditional keeper he's as good as Palmer or Walton but with his feet he was a level above and when he did make an error, he was able to get over it quickly. |
That mentality point is what disappoints me about the whole Muric thing. Hladky was all over the shop in his first season here, making plenty of gaffs, so much so that faith in him was lost, and we brought in Walton. Walton was a steady pair of hands and held the fort well until we were forced to use Hladky again. Hladky had rebuilt his confidence in that time and proved what a good keeper he was. This chance has not been given to Muric, which saddens me.
I must say I'm disappointed in our fanbase over his treatment. None of our own should have to endure the flak he has received. |  | | |
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