| 1 win at home all season 20:47 - Aug 16 with 2426 views | textbackup |
And Sunderland match that on game day 1…
Going to ask it, do we over play KM? |  |
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| 1 win at home all season on 20:56 - Aug 16 with 2002 views | FrimleyBlue |
Don't think sunderland's game tells us anything
but yes i think we over play KM
He got the league 1 promotion which was minimal required based on spend, so nothing amazing there imo
Championship- now that was special
prem - awful
recruitment, very mixed under KM, some good, some terrible
we have players who he doesn't play in the right positions despite his recent description of playing to the strenghts of the players rather than players to the roles of the team, J Clarke so far has been ruined, sammy s has become a bit of a pointless selection too. NOT their fault, but they aren't playing their best roles.
Subs, always reactive rather than proactive imo, many games we look under the cosh come 60 but we've still sat and waited until 70 odd minutes, and then it's no real amazing tactical subs, it's like for like.
Set pieces are terrible he may not coach them, but he's the manager so it's his responsibility
we've won something like 6 games in 44, any other manager in the world is gone with that record.
He does imo have till xmas to save his job and probably his short term ambitions to getting a prem job.
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KM's an intelligent manager and when his philoshy rubs off on the players, the football is incredible to watch... we just havent seen it for a while [Post edited 16 Aug 20:59]
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| 1 win at home all season on 20:56 - Aug 16 with 2010 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
As so many fans have taken great pleasure in pointing out today, Sunderland have recruited incredibly differently to how we did. They have probably recruited better than we have. They also had a very kind first game, home, against a West Ham team most fancy to be at the wrong end of the league this season, who ended last season very poorly and have struggled in the transfer window.
As for KM, no I dont think we overplay him at all, I think he is a superb manager who is still only 39 years old, 4 years in to his first managerial job, already achieved a double promotion in the parachute payment era. Not bad that. Like young players, young managers need to develop, KM will make mistakes that's what happens, the last thing we need is doubts over him. [Post edited 16 Aug 20:58]
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| 1 win at home all season on 20:59 - Aug 16 with 1940 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| 1 win at home all season on 20:56 - Aug 16 by FrimleyBlue |
Don't think sunderland's game tells us anything
but yes i think we over play KM
He got the league 1 promotion which was minimal required based on spend, so nothing amazing there imo
Championship- now that was special
prem - awful
recruitment, very mixed under KM, some good, some terrible
we have players who he doesn't play in the right positions despite his recent description of playing to the strenghts of the players rather than players to the roles of the team, J Clarke so far has been ruined, sammy s has become a bit of a pointless selection too. NOT their fault, but they aren't playing their best roles.
Subs, always reactive rather than proactive imo, many games we look under the cosh come 60 but we've still sat and waited until 70 odd minutes, and then it's no real amazing tactical subs, it's like for like.
Set pieces are terrible he may not coach them, but he's the manager so it's his responsibility
we've won something like 6 games in 44, any other manager in the world is gone with that record.
He does imo have till xmas to save his job and probably his short term ambitions to getting a prem job.
BUT
KM's an intelligent manager and when his philoshy rubs off on the players, the football is incredible to watch... we just havent seen it for a while [Post edited 16 Aug 20:59]
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"Subs, always reactive rather than proactive imo, many games we look under the cosh come 60 but we've still sat and waited until 70 odd minutes, and then it's no real amazing tactical subs, it's like for like"
Yet just 2 season ago he was being applauded almost everywhere for how effective his subs were. Funny how football works. | |
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| 1 win at home all season on 21:00 - Aug 16 with 1914 views | waveneyblue |
Please for the sake of our sanity, give it a bloody rest.
Maybe if we had West Ham at home first game rather than the League Champions we might have won. We started ok and West Ham were rubbish at the start last year. But don't let that get in the way of yet another swipe at the club you support.
I honestly think you've got issues. |  | | |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:01 - Aug 16 with 1889 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 1 win at home all season on 20:59 - Aug 16 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
"Subs, always reactive rather than proactive imo, many games we look under the cosh come 60 but we've still sat and waited until 70 odd minutes, and then it's no real amazing tactical subs, it's like for like"
Yet just 2 season ago he was being applauded almost everywhere for how effective his subs were. Funny how football works. |
personally, it seems at least to me at least, our subs have got later and later. | |
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| 1 win at home all season on 21:01 - Aug 16 with 1895 views | textbackup |
| 1 win at home all season on 20:56 - Aug 16 by FrimleyBlue |
Don't think sunderland's game tells us anything
but yes i think we over play KM
He got the league 1 promotion which was minimal required based on spend, so nothing amazing there imo
Championship- now that was special
prem - awful
recruitment, very mixed under KM, some good, some terrible
we have players who he doesn't play in the right positions despite his recent description of playing to the strenghts of the players rather than players to the roles of the team, J Clarke so far has been ruined, sammy s has become a bit of a pointless selection too. NOT their fault, but they aren't playing their best roles.
Subs, always reactive rather than proactive imo, many games we look under the cosh come 60 but we've still sat and waited until 70 odd minutes, and then it's no real amazing tactical subs, it's like for like.
Set pieces are terrible he may not coach them, but he's the manager so it's his responsibility
we've won something like 6 games in 44, any other manager in the world is gone with that record.
He does imo have till xmas to save his job and probably his short term ambitions to getting a prem job.
BUT
KM's an intelligent manager and when his philoshy rubs off on the players, the football is incredible to watch... we just havent seen it for a while [Post edited 16 Aug 20:59]
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Their game tells us that they have the same number of PL home wins as we did. And they’ve done this in 1 game…
Nothing more nothing less | |
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| 1 win at home all season on 21:02 - Aug 16 with 1861 views | textbackup |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:00 - Aug 16 by waveneyblue |
Please for the sake of our sanity, give it a bloody rest.
Maybe if we had West Ham at home first game rather than the League Champions we might have won. We started ok and West Ham were rubbish at the start last year. But don't let that get in the way of yet another swipe at the club you support.
I honestly think you've got issues. |
We did play West Ham at some point in the season tho, didn’t we? | |
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| 1 win at home all season on 21:02 - Aug 16 with 1854 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:01 - Aug 16 by textbackup |
Their game tells us that they have the same number of PL home wins as we did. And they’ve done this in 1 game…
Nothing more nothing less |
They did, they may win another one, they may also not win another one, we don't know yet | |
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| 1 win at home all season on 21:04 - Aug 16 with 1830 views | textbackup |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:02 - Aug 16 by FrimleyBlue |
They did, they may win another one, they may also not win another one, we don't know yet |
That we don’t my friend.
However, I reckon they will.
Ironically using money to buy players from the JC fee. | |
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| 1 win at home all season on 21:06 - Aug 16 with 1787 views | longtimefan |
To the best of my recollection, KM has never made an appearance for us. So no. |  | | |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:07 - Aug 16 with 1781 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 1 win at home all season on 20:59 - Aug 16 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
"Subs, always reactive rather than proactive imo, many games we look under the cosh come 60 but we've still sat and waited until 70 odd minutes, and then it's no real amazing tactical subs, it's like for like"
Yet just 2 season ago he was being applauded almost everywhere for how effective his subs were. Funny how football works. |
And how quickly people forget how limited the bench was, predominantly due to the huge number of injuries we suffered early on. We were top 2 for player days lost to injury for much of the season, and finished 3rd.
We had a weaker bench to start with (compared to established PL clubs) and injuries really left us exposed.
Yes, last season was tough, and we made mistakes, but lady fate also threw a fair few curve balls our way. | | | |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:08 - Aug 16 with 1763 views | waveneyblue |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:02 - Aug 16 by textbackup |
We did play West Ham at some point in the season tho, didn’t we? |
What's the point with you....
Or of you for that matter | | | |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:09 - Aug 16 with 1755 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
Still not over it then. |  |
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| 1 win at home all season on 21:09 - Aug 16 with 1746 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:01 - Aug 16 by FrimleyBlue |
personally, it seems at least to me at least, our subs have got later and later. |
Almost like our options off the bench got worse and worse (relative to the level) | |
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| 1 win at home all season on 21:11 - Aug 16 with 1713 views | TheBoyBlue |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:02 - Aug 16 by textbackup |
We did play West Ham at some point in the season tho, didn’t we? |
Yes, at the end, already down, devoid of confidence and no jeopardy whatsoever. Although I don't think it would've made any difference to staying up, I wish we'd had this West Ham team on the opening day. Remember the game we gave Liverpool in the circumstances and they're infinitely better than West Ham!
I really do want the promoted teams to do well and for at least one of them to stay up for the good of English football and also selfishly if Ipswich go back up straight away it would be better for us. However, I don't know whether I can take a season of all this trashing of OUR team every time one of them happens to chalk up a win. [Post edited 16 Aug 23:05]
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| 1 win at home all season on 21:19 - Aug 16 with 1618 views | You_Bloo_Right |
Sorry you are going to have to spell it out a bit more clearly as to why team A's results this year have any relevance to team B's results this if you want any more than opprobrium. |  |
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| 1 win at home all season on 21:21 - Aug 16 with 1577 views | textbackup |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:08 - Aug 16 by waveneyblue |
What's the point with you....
Or of you for that matter |
Imagine I said that 😂 | |
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| 1 win at home all season on 21:21 - Aug 16 with 1567 views | braveblue |
One game!!!!!! | | | |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:22 - Aug 16 with 1555 views | textbackup |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:09 - Aug 16 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
Still not over it then. |
Nope.
I’ve no issue if you are though. Different people and all that. | |
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| 1 win at home all season on 23:22 - Aug 16 with 1246 views | TractorFrog |
I don’t think it should be underestimated just how special the championship promotion season was. If you look at the main starting eleven from that season, only Leif Davis I would say is likely to have a career at a higher level than he was at in 2023-24. Hladky, Clarke, Woolfenden, Burgess, Morsy, Luongo, Burns, Chaplin, Broadhead and Hirst were all surely playing the best football of their careers, or close to it. Millwall, Swansea and Wrexham are not expected to be anywhere near the top two this season, and Hladky doesn’t start games at Burnley. Meanwhile some of the key subs like Harness are in league one again. This was a team that should have finished mid-table and yet they were in a system which fitted all of them so perfectly that they came second. Note that Axel Tuanzebe is a significantly better player than Harry Clarke, but we didn’t look much better when he replaced him. Omari Hutchinson is a level above Burns, Chaplin and Broadhead but again we didn’t look a lot better when he replaced any of them because they were all perfectly fitted to the system. The momentum and morale of being the newly promoted underdogs obviously having a huge effect as well. Also McKenna moulded some of these players into what he wanted for the system, specifically Morsy, Burgess and Davis but basically all of them. It was genuinely one of the great seasons and extraordinary from a manager in his first job.
The league one promotion also shouldn’t be downplayed. Getting second place with that squad wasn’t especially impressive in isolation, but the level we reached in the final stretch was so clear of anyone else and it wasn’t undeserved that McKenna got 99.6% or something of the vote as ‘very good’ that season.
I will accept that the Premier League season was poor and we should have been much closer. I feel like a lot of the new signings we made, while undoubtedly being more talented players, weren’t especially suited to the system. Leif Davis was the standout player in the championship but part of what made him so good was how the rest of the team were built around him. But Greaves couldn’t distribute to him as well as Burgess, Cajuste never covered like Luongo or even tried to as far as I could see, and Clarke seemed really to struggle with drawing defenders in like Broadhead did. As a result, Davis looked so much weaker in the Premier League.There’s no doubt that all three new signings are more talented players but none played the system as well as their predecessors. I’ve said before, if we’d stuck with their promotion players more, we would have scored a lot more points. But we still would have gone down and then had nothing to build on. This year’s team has a lot more potential if we can find a system that works for them.
One thing I wonder is if McKenna was slightly fortunate with how well the promotion team were able to adapt to how he wanted them to play, and so overestimated the new players’ ability to do the same. Palmer, O’Shea, Cajuste, Szmodics, Clarke, Philogene, even Delap all don’t seem to me to fit the same profiles as the players they were replacing but are obviously more talented. I wonder if McKenna thought they’d adapt as well as Morsy and Burgess did but has found them unable to do so? Or maybe he’s still working on a new system for them. Either way, McKenna is very inexperienced as a manager and has already done extraordinary things. Maybe he’s made mistakes with his second team because of inexperience so he’s perhaps not as good as we say right now, but will learn from the experience. While he’s not there yet, I think it is clear that in time he will probably become one of the very best managers in the game. |  |
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| 1 win at home all season on 23:46 - Aug 16 with 1180 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
It is quite remarkable that after 2 decades outside the Premier League and 3 seasons of stagnation in League 1, Sunderland have gone straight through 2 divisions and immediately look comfortable in the Premier League. |  |
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| 1 win at home all season on 00:07 - Aug 17 with 1116 views | Rocky |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:22 - Aug 16 by textbackup |
Nope.
I’ve no issue if you are though. Different people and all that. |
Deary me.
"Supporting" Ipswich is clearly not for you. Glass half empty would be overstating your trembling negativity.
Take a deep breath and think of the journey we have been on for the past 3 seasons.
Not been bad, has it? |  | | |
| 1 win at home all season on 03:24 - Aug 17 with 982 views | RIPbobby |
Sunderland scored every time they went forward. Xg in that match was sunnners +.70 and wet spam +.66. Looked a very tight game.
Reminds me of our home game v Newcastle. They scored 4 very freakish goals with low xg numbers and missed 3 very easy chances. One of those matches where it just goes your way sometimes. |  | | |
| 1 win at home all season on 06:07 - Aug 17 with 870 views | mellowblue |
| 1 win at home all season on 23:46 - Aug 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It is quite remarkable that after 2 decades outside the Premier League and 3 seasons of stagnation in League 1, Sunderland have gone straight through 2 divisions and immediately look comfortable in the Premier League. |
only one decade outside the prem. They left the Prem as a very poorly run, bonkers club and needed time to turn it round, but yes they have done very well. They had a pretty average last half of the season but have clearly strengthened well. Getting Xharka is fantastic business. | | | |
| 1 win at home all season on 06:12 - Aug 17 with 851 views | witchdoctor |
| 1 win at home all season on 21:19 - Aug 16 by You_Bloo_Right |
Sorry you are going to have to spell it out a bit more clearly as to why team A's results this year have any relevance to team B's results this if you want any more than opprobrium. |
every day’s a school day… 👨🎓 |  | | |
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