| A lorra lorra loans. 16:58 - Aug 20 with 1395 views | FromReuserWithLove |
I know most become permanent on promotion but why do you think we’re going down this route? |  | | |  |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:00 - Aug 20 with 1365 views | Herbivore |
Low risk, innit. |  |
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| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:00 - Aug 20 with 1366 views | bsw72 |
Because parent clubs are keen to offload the wages but want to retain an asset if they feel they may need them next season or the loan could increase their value, especially if they are on longer contracts. |  | | |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:00 - Aug 20 with 1361 views | farkenhell |
Read the thread that Frimley started. |  | | |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:02 - Aug 20 with 1336 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:00 - Aug 20 by Herbivore |
Low risk, innit. |
I guess but it does scream long term team building imo, though maybe the incentive is to earn your permanent contract… if you like it at towen! | | | |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:03 - Aug 20 with 1300 views | TractorJack |
I don't think these are like the loans we are traditionally used to where we knew there was no realistic chance of them becoming permanent. I don't see the issue with it for that reason. |  | | |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:05 - Aug 20 with 1259 views | LeoMuff |
Would cost an absolute fortune otherwise on long contracts.
Really hard to get the sort of players we need in, ready right now to play at top 2 level in the champ.
It does though seems very short sighted we don’t have access to the data to get the young talent in who have the potential to become prem players ala Omari to go along side these sort of deals. Maybe those deals are yet to come. |  |
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| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:06 - Aug 20 with 1256 views | FromReuserWithLove |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:00 - Aug 20 by farkenhell |
Read the thread that Frimley started. |
Oh sorry bro | | | |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:07 - Aug 20 with 1236 views | Herbivore |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:02 - Aug 20 by FromReuserWithLove |
I guess but it does scream long term team building imo, though maybe the incentive is to earn your permanent contract… if you like it at towen! |
If they were loans with no option or obligation to buy that might be the case but with the deals we've done I'm not sure a lack of long term planning can really be levelled at the business we've done. | |
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| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:09 - Aug 20 with 1214 views | StNeotsBlue |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:03 - Aug 20 by TractorJack |
I don't think these are like the loans we are traditionally used to where we knew there was no realistic chance of them becoming permanent. I don't see the issue with it for that reason. |
But, Cajuste aside, the loans we've made plus tried in the case of Azon have been loans to perm if promoted of players who aren't nailed on for the 1st XI. This is the bit that doesn't make sense to me, if we do go up we've got to pay for players who weren't deemed starters in the Championship. |  | | |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:15 - Aug 20 with 1119 views | pointofblue |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:09 - Aug 20 by StNeotsBlue |
But, Cajuste aside, the loans we've made plus tried in the case of Azon have been loans to perm if promoted of players who aren't nailed on for the 1st XI. This is the bit that doesn't make sense to me, if we do go up we've got to pay for players who weren't deemed starters in the Championship. |
I'd say Akpom will be seen as loan to sign as well, whilst Kipre will be treated as an adequate back up at a higher level. Personally I expect him to replace Johnson at right back at some point, akin to Tuanzebe. | |
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| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:27 - Aug 20 with 1016 views | tonybied |
It's not really any different to the last time we were in the Championship, is it? In the 23/24 season we had 3 loans at the end of the summer window, and 1 going back to their parent club and then added another 2 in the winter window. Other than Hutchinson, I think every loan we've taken this year is either better quality or less of a risk than then too. It could be argued that even Hutchinson was a fairly big risk, he hadn't really played any mens football at all at that stage. |  | | |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:27 - Aug 20 with 1006 views | Blue_Moses |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:09 - Aug 20 by StNeotsBlue |
But, Cajuste aside, the loans we've made plus tried in the case of Azon have been loans to perm if promoted of players who aren't nailed on for the 1st XI. This is the bit that doesn't make sense to me, if we do go up we've got to pay for players who weren't deemed starters in the Championship. |
I've also had this thought | | | |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:31 - Aug 20 with 963 views | cvillageblue |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:27 - Aug 20 by Blue_Moses |
I've also had this thought |
I think if we go up someone like Kipre may be loaned out by us in a year’s time. | |
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| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:54 - Aug 20 with 822 views | StNeotsBlue |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:31 - Aug 20 by cvillageblue |
I think if we go up someone like Kipre may be loaned out by us in a year’s time. |
So what's the point, we'll have just paid out £7m or so, to loan him out and it's not like he's a kid who we are looking to develop. | | | |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 18:03 - Aug 20 with 770 views | Churchman |
Well the obvious answer is that the spending tap has been firmly switched off as the club is prepared for sale (see Brett Johnson brochure and the raising of £100m in sales). Hopefully this is nonsense.
But the real reason I think is that they’ve had real trouble recruiting the players they want for various reasons and loans of ‘maybe’ players is a safe and flexible option.
Personally, I don’t like too many loans. Some by nature are committed, want to prove themselves, others less so. Build a team of your players, not somebody else’s. Not least because if we fail to be promoted, which is a possibility on the short sample of evidence to date, we are going to have considerable change again next summer. |  | | |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 18:16 - Aug 20 with 666 views | StNeotsBlue |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 18:03 - Aug 20 by Churchman |
Well the obvious answer is that the spending tap has been firmly switched off as the club is prepared for sale (see Brett Johnson brochure and the raising of £100m in sales). Hopefully this is nonsense.
But the real reason I think is that they’ve had real trouble recruiting the players they want for various reasons and loans of ‘maybe’ players is a safe and flexible option.
Personally, I don’t like too many loans. Some by nature are committed, want to prove themselves, others less so. Build a team of your players, not somebody else’s. Not least because if we fail to be promoted, which is a possibility on the short sample of evidence to date, we are going to have considerable change again next summer. |
I don't think it's a case of the spending tap has been turned off, look at the money we looking to spend on Hackney.
But I don't get the overall transfer strategy this summer, the loans we've brought in are not Premier league potential future stars, ie. like we did with Omari and as Imentioned earlier if we do go up we 're obliged to buy them for not insignificant sums when they're squad fillers.in the Championship, Cajuste aside.
So far it has been a poor window for us and hopefully that changes before the end of the month. [Post edited 20 Aug 18:18]
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| A lorra lorra loans. on 18:42 - Aug 20 with 548 views | glasso |
I really don't understand why this is surprising people.
If you fancied a new car and someone said, 'have it for a year and see if you like it. You'll only pay for it and keep it if you get that promotion and a pay rise at the end of the year, otherwise you can give it back,' you'd be laughing at how great a deal you'd got. | | | |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 19:43 - Aug 20 with 440 views | LeoMuff |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 18:42 - Aug 20 by glasso |
I really don't understand why this is surprising people.
If you fancied a new car and someone said, 'have it for a year and see if you like it. You'll only pay for it and keep it if you get that promotion and a pay rise at the end of the year, otherwise you can give it back,' you'd be laughing at how great a deal you'd got. |
But if your car had no commitment to you and decided to run at half speed because someone is paying it and it’s leaving after 1 year that wouldn’t be great. | |
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| A lorra lorra loans. on 19:57 - Aug 20 with 403 views | farkenhell |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 19:43 - Aug 20 by LeoMuff |
But if your car had no commitment to you and decided to run at half speed because someone is paying it and it’s leaving after 1 year that wouldn’t be great. |
But if you get that promotion, the car's not leaving after 1 year. In other words, there's every incentive for the car to run at full speed throughout the first year. | | | |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 22:52 - Aug 20 with 176 views | Smoresy |
| A lorra lorra loans. on 17:31 - Aug 20 by cvillageblue |
I think if we go up someone like Kipre may be loaned out by us in a year’s time. |
Kipre is reportedly an option to buy. Was thought to be an obligation initially but since corrected by local press.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/25310156.ipswich-town-sign-cedric-kipre-loan-reims/
Akpom is an obligation but I'm optimistic we'll see his worth when he's up to speed, both this season and beyond if we achieve our goal. I'm not sure why he's being discounted as readily as he has been, either to break into the starting XI or to contribute at a higher level. Maybe I'll find out soon enough but I hope not! | | | |
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