| Just watching highlights 11:17 - Aug 31 with 1960 views | redrickstuhaart |
Shocking pen decision for Derby.
Ball has come from two or three yards away, and arm is in a completely natural position for someone running. Nothing intentional about that at all. |  | | |  |
| Just watching highlights on 11:23 - Aug 31 with 1722 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
Leif practically pointed to the spot himself | | | |
| Just watching highlights on 11:23 - Aug 31 with 1712 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Just watching highlights on 11:23 - Aug 31 by SWLondonBlue93 |
Leif practically pointed to the spot himself |
What an odd comment. | | | |
| Just watching highlights on 11:24 - Aug 31 with 1716 views | Kentish_Tractor |
I would have to disagree with you I'm afraid.
Arm is up away from his body at head height, blocking the cross/shot.
Nothing intentional about it no. But letter of the law these days that's a penalty all day long if the arm is in that position.
How he didn't give us one for Hirst however...now that truly was shocking! | |
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| Just watching highlights on 11:29 - Aug 31 with 1633 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Just watching highlights on 11:24 - Aug 31 by Kentish_Tractor |
I would have to disagree with you I'm afraid.
Arm is up away from his body at head height, blocking the cross/shot.
Nothing intentional about it no. But letter of the law these days that's a penalty all day long if the arm is in that position.
How he didn't give us one for Hirst however...now that truly was shocking! |
He's running. Try running with your arms by your side.
The law refers to an unnatural position (The law is terrible- unnatural position is effectively an indicator of intent, but we are stuck with it for now)
When running, arms are in the sorts of positions they were in this incident. | | | |
| Just watching highlights on 11:30 - Aug 31 with 1610 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
| Just watching highlights on 11:23 - Aug 31 by redrickstuhaart |
What an odd comment. |
My point is from his reaction, he either knows it's a nailed-on penalty or he's trying to convince the ref the ball has hit him the face. | | | |
| Just watching highlights on 11:31 - Aug 31 with 1604 views | billabasblue |
| Just watching highlights on 11:23 - Aug 31 by redrickstuhaart |
What an odd comment. |
I think what his trying to say and what I also thought was that Leif seemed very sheepish about it and didn’t argue the decision so came across as guilty , the ref wasn’t giving it and took ages to make a decision and I think he looked at the body language of Davis and gave it as a result ! It looked a clear penalty to me | | | |
| Just watching highlights on 11:32 - Aug 31 with 1578 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Just watching highlights on 11:31 - Aug 31 by billabasblue |
I think what his trying to say and what I also thought was that Leif seemed very sheepish about it and didn’t argue the decision so came across as guilty , the ref wasn’t giving it and took ages to make a decision and I think he looked at the body language of Davis and gave it as a result ! It looked a clear penalty to me |
Of course- because he knows that referees give them, despite the clear conflict with what the rules actually say. | | | |
| Just watching highlights on 11:33 - Aug 31 with 1566 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Just watching highlights on 11:29 - Aug 31 by redrickstuhaart |
He's running. Try running with your arms by your side.
The law refers to an unnatural position (The law is terrible- unnatural position is effectively an indicator of intent, but we are stuck with it for now)
When running, arms are in the sorts of positions they were in this incident. |
We would have been up in arms, if that penalty call was for us, and it wasn't given.
The laws are too open to interpretation as they stand BUT, in this incident the ball hit Leif's hand, and otherwise was probably on target. | | | |
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| Just watching highlights on 11:34 - Aug 31 with 1564 views | positivity |
| Just watching highlights on 11:24 - Aug 31 by Kentish_Tractor |
I would have to disagree with you I'm afraid.
Arm is up away from his body at head height, blocking the cross/shot.
Nothing intentional about it no. But letter of the law these days that's a penalty all day long if the arm is in that position.
How he didn't give us one for Hirst however...now that truly was shocking! |
fully agree, plus if it was intentional he'd have been carded (probably red) | |
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| Just watching highlights on 11:38 - Aug 31 with 1529 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Just watching highlights on 11:29 - Aug 31 by redrickstuhaart |
He's running. Try running with your arms by your side.
The law refers to an unnatural position (The law is terrible- unnatural position is effectively an indicator of intent, but we are stuck with it for now)
When running, arms are in the sorts of positions they were in this incident. |
If you are running with your hand above your head, you're doing it wrong. |  |
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| Just watching highlights on 11:38 - Aug 31 with 1530 views | SWLondonBlue93 |
| Just watching highlights on 11:24 - Aug 31 by Kentish_Tractor |
I would have to disagree with you I'm afraid.
Arm is up away from his body at head height, blocking the cross/shot.
Nothing intentional about it no. But letter of the law these days that's a penalty all day long if the arm is in that position.
How he didn't give us one for Hirst however...now that truly was shocking! |
Fully agree, it's not intentional but neither is the penalty we got at Birmingham, there are factors to consider. [Post edited 31 Aug 11:39]
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| Just watching highlights on 11:42 - Aug 31 with 1481 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Just watching highlights on 11:38 - Aug 31 by SWLondonBlue93 |
Fully agree, it's not intentional but neither is the penalty we got at Birmingham, there are factors to consider. [Post edited 31 Aug 11:39]
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At Birmingham, Im inclined to agree. But the hand was at least above the head which arguably was not natural. | | | |
| Just watching highlights on 11:51 - Aug 31 with 1438 views | Blue_Moses |
It's definitely a pen for the. As was the Hirst incident, astonishing that the ref has booked him for diving | | | |
| Just watching highlights on 12:05 - Aug 31 with 1330 views | Clutch |
I think it was a penalty.
As it also was when Hirst got booked. |  | | |
| Just watching highlights on 12:09 - Aug 31 with 1302 views | LeoMuff |
| Just watching highlights on 11:23 - Aug 31 by SWLondonBlue93 |
Leif practically pointed to the spot himself |
Totally agree, ref looked unconvinced until Leif started holding his face ! Def pen but was totally accidental so not a red for me |  |
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| Just watching highlights on 12:18 - Aug 31 with 1231 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Just watching highlights on 12:09 - Aug 31 by LeoMuff |
Totally agree, ref looked unconvinced until Leif started holding his face ! Def pen but was totally accidental so not a red for me |
Lots of folks saying they thought it was a fair pen.
But the laws are clear (though poorly conceived). Unnatural position is required.
"It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised"
They keep changing, but this is the current iteration.
An unnatural position, not caused by their movement / natural movement. He was running! | | | |
| Just watching highlights on 13:15 - Aug 31 with 1009 views | Scuzzer |
No way the ref was close enough to see it. Linesman on the opposite side to Davis couldn't have seen it...don't think he even flagged. So how come the plonker in black gave something that they could not have been sure of. |  |
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| Just watching highlights on 13:18 - Aug 31 with 977 views | jas0999 |
Clear penalty. Nothing much more to say. | | | |
| Just watching highlights on 13:20 - Aug 31 with 967 views | RIPbobby |
I don't have much problem with it being a penalty. |  | | |
| Just watching highlights on 14:04 - Aug 31 with 779 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Just watching highlights on 13:18 - Aug 31 by jas0999 |
Clear penalty. Nothing much more to say. |
Based on which bit of the law? | | | |
| Just watching highlights on 14:20 - Aug 31 with 686 views | BlueBoots |
| Just watching highlights on 12:18 - Aug 31 by redrickstuhaart |
Lots of folks saying they thought it was a fair pen.
But the laws are clear (though poorly conceived). Unnatural position is required.
"It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised"
They keep changing, but this is the current iteration.
An unnatural position, not caused by their movement / natural movement. He was running! |
To be fair, he was just going to ground in an attempt to block the shot when the ball hit his arm; players' arms can be in any position when they do that, so unfortunate it caught him - didn't look like there was anything deliberate about it. |  |
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| Just watching highlights on 14:21 - Aug 31 with 681 views | J2BLUE |
Definite pen. Davis made it crystal clear. |  |
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| Just watching highlights on 14:29 - Aug 31 with 629 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Just watching highlights on 14:21 - Aug 31 by J2BLUE |
Definite pen. Davis made it crystal clear. |
Which annoyed me, just get up don’t make the refs decision for him because I don’t think he clearly saw it.
Anyone saying that isn’t a pen genuinely has no idea about football, it must be a joke thread (I’d hope)… |  |
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| Just watching highlights on 15:11 - Aug 31 with 504 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Just watching highlights on 14:21 - Aug 31 by J2BLUE |
Definite pen. Davis made it crystal clear. |
Again- which bit of the rule applies here? | | | |
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