| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… 10:12 - Sep 3 with 1125 views | SitfcB |
Even more of a farce seeing as the ref was right all along yet felt the need to change his mind after being sent to the screen.
Exactly what they said VAR wouldn’t do, re-ref the game.
Rob Jones is a cock though. And Michael Salisbury on VAR sounds full of himself as well. |  |
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:23 - Sep 3 with 1040 views | Radlett_blue |
most of the problem with VAR is the re-refereeing of games & changing of one subjective decision for another. IMO it should only be used for offsides & other questions of fact e.g. was a foul inside or outside the box. |  |
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:29 - Sep 3 with 1007 views | homer_123 |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:23 - Sep 3 by Radlett_blue |
most of the problem with VAR is the re-refereeing of games & changing of one subjective decision for another. IMO it should only be used for offsides & other questions of fact e.g. was a foul inside or outside the box. |
I disagree. It's not needed, at all. |  |
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:29 - Sep 3 with 1006 views | Cafe_Newman |
Unfortunately there's too much money in football these days for just those on the pitch to determine the outcome of matches. [Post edited 3 Sep 15:16]
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:33 - Sep 3 with 988 views | rickw |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:29 - Sep 3 by homer_123 |
I disagree. It's not needed, at all. |
When Hirst was booked I def. thought it was needed! However when you see VAR making stupid decisions like this makes me doubt the VAR ref would have overturned Hirst's "dive" |  |
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:38 - Sep 3 with 959 views | homer_123 |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:33 - Sep 3 by rickw |
When Hirst was booked I def. thought it was needed! However when you see VAR making stupid decisions like this makes me doubt the VAR ref would have overturned Hirst's "dive" |
I've said it from the very outset of VAR being introduced.
It takes away an important element of what makes football what it is. It attempts to sanitise football but that's the issue.
Football is as much about 'decisions' as it is about football - the 'one you get away with' or the Clive Thomas moments. For all those that go against you, they are talking points, water cooler moments and are part of the game.
I wouldn't want them removed. However, VAR simply doesn't remove them, it makes it worse. You score a goal and then wait knowing it might be ruled out, sometimes for minutes on end - whilst they decide if a little finger on a shoulder midway inside your own half is a foul.
No, get rid of it - it adds noting but takes away a huge amount. | |
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:45 - Sep 3 with 932 views | Radlett_blue |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:38 - Sep 3 by homer_123 |
I've said it from the very outset of VAR being introduced.
It takes away an important element of what makes football what it is. It attempts to sanitise football but that's the issue.
Football is as much about 'decisions' as it is about football - the 'one you get away with' or the Clive Thomas moments. For all those that go against you, they are talking points, water cooler moments and are part of the game.
I wouldn't want them removed. However, VAR simply doesn't remove them, it makes it worse. You score a goal and then wait knowing it might be ruled out, sometimes for minutes on end - whilst they decide if a little finger on a shoulder midway inside your own half is a foul.
No, get rid of it - it adds noting but takes away a huge amount. |
On balance, I would be happier if VAR was binned & I'm glad we won't have to put up with it in the Championship. The downside is that one will have to accept certain howlers by officials, some of which will be seen as game-changing or season-defining. | |
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:52 - Sep 3 with 888 views | homer_123 |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:45 - Sep 3 by Radlett_blue |
On balance, I would be happier if VAR was binned & I'm glad we won't have to put up with it in the Championship. The downside is that one will have to accept certain howlers by officials, some of which will be seen as game-changing or season-defining. |
We're human, mistakes are made - to be fair, officials get the vast majority of decisions right.
Finally, that's my point Radders. Even if you get a howler - those have been part and parcel of the game for years - they become part of a Club and Supporters identity and culture. Even if game changing. [Post edited 3 Sep 10:52]
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:59 - Sep 3 with 859 views | redrickstuhaart |
No wonder it's such a mess.
He is in constant dialogue rather than reffing the game. And once the incident occurs he is heavily primed as to the var view before reviewing the screen. |  | | |
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 11:58 - Sep 3 with 721 views | longtimefan |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 10:59 - Sep 3 by redrickstuhaart |
No wonder it's such a mess.
He is in constant dialogue rather than reffing the game. And once the incident occurs he is heavily primed as to the var view before reviewing the screen. |
He's in constant dialogue with his assistants, as has been the case since the introduction of comms kits. They work as a team. | | | |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 12:12 - Sep 3 with 673 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 11:58 - Sep 3 by longtimefan |
He's in constant dialogue with his assistants, as has been the case since the introduction of comms kits. They work as a team. |
He's literally commentating. | | | |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 14:33 - Sep 3 with 539 views | townblue |
Don't know why but I find the use of player names in this a bit odd. I think using numbers feels a bit more impartial. Obviously very minor thing but I always find these audios sound so unprofessional. |  | | |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 15:09 - Sep 3 with 470 views | longtimefan |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 12:12 - Sep 3 by redrickstuhaart |
He's literally commentating. |
It’s how they are trained to do it. He’s giving his view on proceedings and inviting his assistants to offer their view if they disagree. | | | |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 15:15 - Sep 3 with 460 views | norfsufblue |
Ive said it since the start...if we MUST have VAR then make it a tool for the ref in the middle.... Let him make the on field subjective decisions alone and give teams limited appeals.... then let him judge his own decision on the screen. This maintains the concept of refs decision being final. NB... he will still sometimes get it wrong |  | | |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 15:17 - Sep 3 with 448 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 15:09 - Sep 3 by longtimefan |
It’s how they are trained to do it. He’s giving his view on proceedings and inviting his assistants to offer their view if they disagree. |
I can't 🤔 no of anything more likely to cause confusion and double think, as well as drawing concentration away from the game | | | |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 15:41 - Sep 3 with 396 views | Blue_Uprising |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 15:15 - Sep 3 by norfsufblue |
Ive said it since the start...if we MUST have VAR then make it a tool for the ref in the middle.... Let him make the on field subjective decisions alone and give teams limited appeals.... then let him judge his own decision on the screen. This maintains the concept of refs decision being final. NB... he will still sometimes get it wrong |
I was going to write this exact comment. The majority of big issues seem to have come from multiple people all weighing in with an opinion and group think / off field VAR officials leading the witness before the ref has viewed the footage. 2 or 3 reviews per team per game. Ref views the incident themselves with no interference. Var team only there to provide different camera views or roll footage back /forward when directed by the ref. | | | |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 15:51 - Sep 3 with 365 views | Whos_blue |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 15:41 - Sep 3 by Blue_Uprising |
I was going to write this exact comment. The majority of big issues seem to have come from multiple people all weighing in with an opinion and group think / off field VAR officials leading the witness before the ref has viewed the footage. 2 or 3 reviews per team per game. Ref views the incident themselves with no interference. Var team only there to provide different camera views or roll footage back /forward when directed by the ref. |
Sounds similar to cricket.
The tech works so well in that environment.
I suppose at least they've admitted it was wrong, but the fact remains that Chelsea scored in the extra time added on due to the incorrect VAR intervention.
VAR is just so cr@p. |  |
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 17:08 - Sep 3 with 281 views | Zx1988 |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 15:51 - Sep 3 by Whos_blue |
Sounds similar to cricket.
The tech works so well in that environment.
I suppose at least they've admitted it was wrong, but the fact remains that Chelsea scored in the extra time added on due to the incorrect VAR intervention.
VAR is just so cr@p. |
The big distinction with cricket is that they're all objective decisions. You're either LBW or you're not, you've either made your ground or you haven't, the ball has either been grounded or it hasn't.
In those instances, a mistake is a mistake, brute fact. | |
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 19:22 - Sep 3 with 199 views | Radlett_blue |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 17:08 - Sep 3 by Zx1988 |
The big distinction with cricket is that they're all objective decisions. You're either LBW or you're not, you've either made your ground or you haven't, the ball has either been grounded or it hasn't.
In those instances, a mistake is a mistake, brute fact. |
And cricket is a game with natural pauses between deliveries. | |
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 19:26 - Sep 3 with 191 views | Whos_blue |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 17:08 - Sep 3 by Zx1988 |
The big distinction with cricket is that they're all objective decisions. You're either LBW or you're not, you've either made your ground or you haven't, the ball has either been grounded or it hasn't.
In those instances, a mistake is a mistake, brute fact. |
Yes. I don't think I made my point very well.
What you correctly state is how VAR is supposed to work.
It just doesn't. | |
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| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 20:08 - Sep 3 with 130 views | norfsufblue |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 17:08 - Sep 3 by Zx1988 |
The big distinction with cricket is that they're all objective decisions. You're either LBW or you're not, you've either made your ground or you haven't, the ball has either been grounded or it hasn't.
In those instances, a mistake is a mistake, brute fact. |
But it could bring a little subjectivity to these objective decisions.... ref makes a decision, player thinks it wrong and asks for check, ref can then prove his case or accept that appealant has a case and change his decision. Only real drawback is players and coaching staff would have to be a lot more grown up and disciplined about the whole system which i doubt they could! | | | |
| Chelsea v Fulham disallowed goal… on 22:29 - Sep 3 with 44 views | USA |
Howard Webb is entirely deluded with his words. ‘We’ve established’ no sorry, nothing has been established as different decisions are reached for very similar scenarios, week in, week out. It’s all subjective and the only way forward to to have only the ref having an input to the decision with help of their linesmen . An utter mess | |
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