| Anyone you know? on 20:09 - Sep 16 with 1741 views | eireblue |
| Anyone you know? on 19:58 - Sep 16 by lowhouseblue |
3 million is net immigration over the most recent 4 year period.
in addition, total uk population:
66.7 million in 2020
69.2 million in 2024
so after net migration of 3 million, the total population rose by 2.5 million
i don't know why you'd be relying on projections from the 2021 census for data after that date when real data is published annually. |
So you haven’t taken births and deaths into consideration.
That number is relatively consistent.
Population growth over last 10 years has been about 3 million.
Why are you pandering to Farage at Al, and exaggerating the population growth.
Those are ONS stats, which include immigration, take it up with them if you don’t like how they do it.
Mid-year population estimates relate to the usually resident population. They account for long-term international migrants (people who change their country of usual residence for a period of 12 months or more) but do not account for short-term migrants (people who come to or leave the country for a period of less than 12 months). This approach is consistent with the standard UN definition for population estimates which is based upon the concept of usual residence and includes people who reside, or intend to reside, in the country for at least twelve months, whatever their nationality.
If you want to know how to fit people into houses, and estimate the load on government services it is population growth that is important.
That number is less than Net migration which you keep using as an alarmist number.
Another article if people are interested: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68139947 [Post edited 16 Sep 20:38]
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| Anyone you know? on 20:51 - Sep 16 with 1626 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Anyone you know? on 19:20 - Sep 16 by lowhouseblue |
yes, the arrival of immigrants isn't spread evenly across the country. but, if, say, 100,000 additional people had arrived in suffolk coastal over a short period don't you think it would have made those problems worse?
aren't you supposed to be on holiday. shouldn't you be drinking guiness rather than wasting time on here? |
So you accept we have these problems regardless of any external pressures and yet still can't accept you are wrong. Stop excusing racists and xenophobes and face up to the problem being the economic system to which you are in hoc!
Nope not on holiday, just living life with friends in Ireland for a bit. The Murphies is fine thanks. |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 20:56 - Sep 16 with 1595 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Anyone you know? on 19:46 - Sep 16 by blueasfook |
Im pretty sure calling out other posters is one of the things Phil is fed up of. |
Best not to be a xenophobe then, hope that helps...seems your main concern now is trying to get me banned. | |
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| Anyone you know? on 21:25 - Sep 16 with 1511 views | Swailsey |
| Anyone you know? on 20:51 - Sep 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
So you accept we have these problems regardless of any external pressures and yet still can't accept you are wrong. Stop excusing racists and xenophobes and face up to the problem being the economic system to which you are in hoc!
Nope not on holiday, just living life with friends in Ireland for a bit. The Murphies is fine thanks. |
Amazing that he’s still at it despite the warnings. Just antagonising for the sake of it. [Post edited 16 Sep 21:25]
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| Anyone you know? on 21:54 - Sep 16 with 1434 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone you know? on 17:58 - Sep 16 by lowhouseblue |
something i have posted several times but i have never received an answer is, given that we have had a housing crisis for the past decade plus, how over the most recent four year period have we accommodated an additional (NET) 3 million people through immigration? how has that been possible without making the housing crisis worse? and if that is possible and we can magically house an additional 3 million people without any negatives, then in what sense is there a housing crisis? really?
in addition, in a great many local authority areas a majority of social housing tenants are now foreign nationals. in many areas it's as much as two thirds.
do you not see that not being able to, or their children not being able to, get access to local social housing, and being priced out of other options, while seeing a high proportion of social housing occupied by foreign nationals, genuinely concerns a great many people. they haven't fallen for rhetoric, they aren't relying on daily mail headlines - it's what they can see. [Post edited 16 Sep 18:00]
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Despite several attempts, you didn't bother answering my question in the other thread (where I showed you'd completely got the wrong end of the stick and accused me of something that didn't happen). So I'm going to ignore all yours too. |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 22:52 - Sep 16 with 1308 views | lowhouseblue |
| Anyone you know? on 20:09 - Sep 16 by eireblue |
So you haven’t taken births and deaths into consideration.
That number is relatively consistent.
Population growth over last 10 years has been about 3 million.
Why are you pandering to Farage at Al, and exaggerating the population growth.
Those are ONS stats, which include immigration, take it up with them if you don’t like how they do it.
Mid-year population estimates relate to the usually resident population. They account for long-term international migrants (people who change their country of usual residence for a period of 12 months or more) but do not account for short-term migrants (people who come to or leave the country for a period of less than 12 months). This approach is consistent with the standard UN definition for population estimates which is based upon the concept of usual residence and includes people who reside, or intend to reside, in the country for at least twelve months, whatever their nationality.
If you want to know how to fit people into houses, and estimate the load on government services it is population growth that is important.
That number is less than Net migration which you keep using as an alarmist number.
Another article if people are interested: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68139947 [Post edited 16 Sep 20:38]
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jeez. why are you trying to distort this. from the ons population estimates for england and wales published 30th july 2025:
change in population (ie annual increases) of england and wales:
2021 230,080
2022 618,067
2023 821,210
2024 706,881
that's a cumulative increase of some 2.37 million over the four years. obviously it excludes scotland which is why the 2.5 million i quoted earlier is higher. in that period total net migration was some 3 million.
so were it not for net immigration total population would have fallen slightly (births and deaths and i guess covid), but instead it rose by 2.5 million if scotland is included. that's a substantial rise in population entirely accounted for by net migration.
quoting ons statistics is not pandering to anyone - trying to misrepresent the picture and pretending that a country can have net migration of 3 million without total population rising is frankly bizarre.
the article you have linked also includes the ons population projection for the next 10 years. it is:
0.5 million more births than deaths (approx 50,000 a year)
6.1 million net immigration (approx 600,000 a year)
6.6 million increase in total population (approx 650,000 a year).
this is the exact same pattern that the statistics show for the past 4 years. so even the article you've linked shows substantial total population growth which is almost entirely explained by net immigration.
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| Anyone you know? on 22:55 - Sep 16 with 1294 views | lowhouseblue |
| Anyone you know? on 20:51 - Sep 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
So you accept we have these problems regardless of any external pressures and yet still can't accept you are wrong. Stop excusing racists and xenophobes and face up to the problem being the economic system to which you are in hoc!
Nope not on holiday, just living life with friends in Ireland for a bit. The Murphies is fine thanks. |
i started by saying we have had a housing crisis for the past decade plus. housing an additional 3 million people over 4 years has made that crisis worse. or how do you think those addition people have been housed? | |
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| Anyone you know? on 23:25 - Sep 16 with 1253 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Anyone you know? on 22:55 - Sep 16 by lowhouseblue |
i started by saying we have had a housing crisis for the past decade plus. housing an additional 3 million people over 4 years has made that crisis worse. or how do you think those addition people have been housed? |
Yeah I get it, so we agree it is a problem not caused by immigrants. | |
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| Anyone you know? on 23:37 - Sep 16 with 1197 views | lowhouseblue |
| Anyone you know? on 21:54 - Sep 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Despite several attempts, you didn't bother answering my question in the other thread (where I showed you'd completely got the wrong end of the stick and accused me of something that didn't happen). So I'm going to ignore all yours too. |
i apologise for not replying. in truth i'm not 100% clear on what the dispute is.
gb initially posted:
"Lowhouse was honest enough to post that he knew little to nothing about Charlie Kirk and asked for justification as to why Kirk was branded a fascist."
you replied:
"Personally I'd imagine people calling him (kirk) fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?" and: "If you can't see what Lowhouse is doing then that's on you. Lot's of other people can see it"
i had been receiving lots of abuse for questioning the basis on which a large number of posters were labelling kirk a fascist. your final line was also in the spirit of that abuse - and at that point i don't think you and i had had any exchange on the thread. i thought your explanation for why kirk was being labelled a fascist - "I'd imagine people calling him (kirk) fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?" was a bit weak.
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| Anyone you know? on 03:04 - Sep 17 with 999 views | Libero |
| Anyone you know? on 21:25 - Sep 16 by Swailsey |
Amazing that he’s still at it despite the warnings. Just antagonising for the sake of it. [Post edited 16 Sep 21:25]
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Surely a mass block would remedy this to a degree? [Post edited 17 Sep 3:05]
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| Anyone you know? on 07:26 - Sep 17 with 743 views | CoachRob |
| Anyone you know? on 03:04 - Sep 17 by Libero |
Surely a mass block would remedy this to a degree? [Post edited 17 Sep 3:05]
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It has been clear for a while that this poster repeatedly derails other people's threads. I'm not going to post a response to their sh1te, just downvote it. |  | | |
| Anyone you know? on 08:02 - Sep 17 with 669 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone you know? on 23:37 - Sep 16 by lowhouseblue |
i apologise for not replying. in truth i'm not 100% clear on what the dispute is.
gb initially posted:
"Lowhouse was honest enough to post that he knew little to nothing about Charlie Kirk and asked for justification as to why Kirk was branded a fascist."
you replied:
"Personally I'd imagine people calling him (kirk) fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?" and: "If you can't see what Lowhouse is doing then that's on you. Lot's of other people can see it"
i had been receiving lots of abuse for questioning the basis on which a large number of posters were labelling kirk a fascist. your final line was also in the spirit of that abuse - and at that point i don't think you and i had had any exchange on the thread. i thought your explanation for why kirk was being labelled a fascist - "I'd imagine people calling him (kirk) fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?" was a bit weak.
i don't really understand the issue beyond that. |
I wrote a lot more in that post, not just those two lines. They were nowhere near each other and weren't connected.
Also GB wrote a lot more in the post I was replying to than the bit you've quoted... and I wasn't replying to that.
You've cherrypicked bits and bobs of both posts, thus removing all the context and connecting things that weren't connected.
GB made the assertion that most of the people calling Kirk a fascist probably hadn't heard of him before his death - which I thought was far weaker than anything I said given it's just an assumption with no evidence - and then proceeded to list people in this debate he did trust had heard of him, and omitted me, which I took umbrage to.
The only bit that involved you was the last line because I'd agreed with others that you've been disingenuous in this and other debates. The fact that you'd filleted both these posts to make them seem all about you, and then refused to reply when I asked several times what and why you were doing that, only added to the evidence that you were debating in bad faith. | |
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| Anyone you know? on 08:10 - Sep 17 with 644 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone you know? on 21:54 - Sep 16 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Despite several attempts, you didn't bother answering my question in the other thread (where I showed you'd completely got the wrong end of the stick and accused me of something that didn't happen). So I'm going to ignore all yours too. |
Weird thing to downarrow GB.
Firstly, I'm not sure why you'd care whether I choose to answer another poster's questions or not, let alone enough to downvote it.
And the fact that I'd asked him repeatedly to explain himself in another thread, and he hadn't, seems a fair enough reason to not respond in kind.
I thought you'd reflected while you were away and these petty rows were now beneath you? | |
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| Anyone you know? on 08:16 - Sep 17 with 629 views | bluebud |
This thread is TWTD at its absolute worst....full of the TWTD trolls and snipers that put people right off this site. Reductive trash identity politics topics which are pointless debating as there is no solution or most contributors just want to see the other side gone anyway.
Phil, this is why your site is dying. I mean my God man, how many posters on this thread have been banned or suspended multiple times. Get some conviction and drive this once wonderful site forwards again. [Post edited 17 Sep 8:19]
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| Anyone you know? on 08:17 - Sep 17 with 609 views | DJR |
| Anyone you know? on 13:47 - Sep 16 by DJR |
I don't know about anyone else but, with recent developments and with 45% of people in a YouGov survey saying they would support requiring large numbers of migrants who came to the UK in recent years to leave, I have been going out of my way in my dealings with black, brown or eastern European people to be as polite, smiley and friendly as possible.
I'm like that in my dealings with people anyway but I have lifted it up a notch in recent months because I want to make them think I am not one of the 45%.
It is all rather sad that it's come to this.
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On a related theme, I was alerted to this article from someone of Chinese descent which I had missed at the time.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/10/immigration-debate-country
Do they come for you at dawn or dusk? In the dead of night, or at family dinnertime? Will they come with masks and shields, or will they be kindly and sheepishly apologetic? Will they accept a cup of tea and a biscuit if offered? Will there be bags already packed by the door, protocols prepped and drilled, a list of numbers to call? Will you go quietly and with dignity, or in a mess of curse words and screaming limbs?
Perhaps right now this all feels a little fantastical and far-fetched. Perhaps it feels hard to imagine the great wave of remigration lapping up on the pristine middle-class doorsteps of Stroud or Stoke Newington. We can still have a chuckle about it. Maybe there’ll be a nice fat relocation cheque. A free one-way holiday on the British government. Always wanted to visit China at this time of year, and so on.
But of course if the recent history of British politics has taught us anything, it is that nightmarish visions do not stay nightmarish visions for long. There is a heft and momentum behind them, a spirited and concerted effort to make the nightmare flesh. And so in our darkest daydreams, many of the non-white citizens of this country occasionally entertain an idle thought exercise: who wants to get rid of us? Is it you, grumbling old lady on the bus? Is it you, the smartly dressed businessman tutting quietly as two beaming mixed-race children whiz by on mini-scooters? Was that an innocent jostle in the pub queue, or the unmistakable microaggression of a seething racist who wants me gone for good? |  | | |
| Anyone you know? on 08:26 - Sep 17 with 572 views | witchdoctor |
| Anyone you know? on 08:02 - Sep 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I wrote a lot more in that post, not just those two lines. They were nowhere near each other and weren't connected.
Also GB wrote a lot more in the post I was replying to than the bit you've quoted... and I wasn't replying to that.
You've cherrypicked bits and bobs of both posts, thus removing all the context and connecting things that weren't connected.
GB made the assertion that most of the people calling Kirk a fascist probably hadn't heard of him before his death - which I thought was far weaker than anything I said given it's just an assumption with no evidence - and then proceeded to list people in this debate he did trust had heard of him, and omitted me, which I took umbrage to.
The only bit that involved you was the last line because I'd agreed with others that you've been disingenuous in this and other debates. The fact that you'd filleted both these posts to make them seem all about you, and then refused to reply when I asked several times what and why you were doing that, only added to the evidence that you were debating in bad faith. |
bankster hadn’t heard of him..C K… but proper piled in.. |  | | |
| Anyone you know? on 08:30 - Sep 17 with 551 views | blueasfook |
| Anyone you know? on 08:16 - Sep 17 by bluebud |
This thread is TWTD at its absolute worst....full of the TWTD trolls and snipers that put people right off this site. Reductive trash identity politics topics which are pointless debating as there is no solution or most contributors just want to see the other side gone anyway.
Phil, this is why your site is dying. I mean my God man, how many posters on this thread have been banned or suspended multiple times. Get some conviction and drive this once wonderful site forwards again. [Post edited 17 Sep 8:19]
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Make TWTD Great Again. |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 08:33 - Sep 17 with 538 views | blueasfook |
| Anyone you know? on 20:56 - Sep 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Best not to be a xenophobe then, hope that helps...seems your main concern now is trying to get me banned. |
You almost got yourself banned with the abuse you were posting. Thats on you buddy. Take some responsibility for your own actions. | |
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| Anyone you know? on 08:47 - Sep 17 with 471 views | lowhouseblue |
| Anyone you know? on 08:02 - Sep 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I wrote a lot more in that post, not just those two lines. They were nowhere near each other and weren't connected.
Also GB wrote a lot more in the post I was replying to than the bit you've quoted... and I wasn't replying to that.
You've cherrypicked bits and bobs of both posts, thus removing all the context and connecting things that weren't connected.
GB made the assertion that most of the people calling Kirk a fascist probably hadn't heard of him before his death - which I thought was far weaker than anything I said given it's just an assumption with no evidence - and then proceeded to list people in this debate he did trust had heard of him, and omitted me, which I took umbrage to.
The only bit that involved you was the last line because I'd agreed with others that you've been disingenuous in this and other debates. The fact that you'd filleted both these posts to make them seem all about you, and then refused to reply when I asked several times what and why you were doing that, only added to the evidence that you were debating in bad faith. |
this is the exchange in full (no filleting):
GB in reply to Trequartista:
“Lowhouse was honest enough to post that he knew little to nothing about Charlie Kirk and asked for justification as to why Kirk was branded a fascist. I would imagine 99% of the people throwing around terms such as fascist had ever heard of him before the news broke of his murder either.
The only people I'd trust 100% on this thread when they say they knew about Charlie Kirk and what he stood for are Dan The Man, Kropotkin and Blueschev. Maybe Grizzers as well.
Oddly enough, a number of the people who downvoted me saying that I didn't believe the label fascist was appropriate when describing Charlie Kirk also upvoted Blueschev in a post where he said "I wouldn't call him a fascist". Which goes to show that a lot of people on here don't actually react to what is posted but rather to the people who are posting it and Lowhouse is certainly a victim of this.”
Your reply to GB:
“I did. I've even posted elsewhere where I've watched a debate with him and an Oxbridge student (can't remember if it's this thread or another).
Along with "imagine 99% of the people throwing around terms such as fascist had ever heard of him before the news broke of his murder either" ...you seem to be throwing around a lot of assumptions. Personally I'd imagine people calling him fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?
If you can't see what Lowhouse is doing then that's on you. Lot's of other people can see it.”
i continue to think that your justification for calling him a fascist - "Personally I'd imagine people calling him fascist probably did know a fair bit about him, else why would they be calling him that?" is very weak.
gb's initial post, which you replied to, was at two points explaining what i'd posted. you replied and included a further attack on me.
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| Anyone you know? on 08:49 - Sep 17 with 467 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Anyone you know? on 08:26 - Sep 17 by witchdoctor |
bankster hadn’t heard of him..C K… but proper piled in.. |
Has he admitted that? If he has I didn't see it. Regardless, my point still stands that Glassers made a huge assumption that many calling Kirk fascist probably hadn't heard of him. | |
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| Anyone you know? on 08:52 - Sep 17 with 424 views | lowhouseblue |
| Anyone you know? on 07:26 - Sep 17 by CoachRob |
It has been clear for a while that this poster repeatedly derails other people's threads. I'm not going to post a response to their sh1te, just downvote it. |
what we have here is a group who are incapable responding to challenge and who instead gang up on anyone whose views differ from theirs. they just post constant low level abuse. we've seen it numerous times in an attempt to bully posters off the site. it's intolerant, closed-minded, play ground stuff. | |
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| Anyone you know? on 09:07 - Sep 17 with 359 views | Smoresy |
| Anyone you know? on 08:16 - Sep 17 by bluebud |
This thread is TWTD at its absolute worst....full of the TWTD trolls and snipers that put people right off this site. Reductive trash identity politics topics which are pointless debating as there is no solution or most contributors just want to see the other side gone anyway.
Phil, this is why your site is dying. I mean my God man, how many posters on this thread have been banned or suspended multiple times. Get some conviction and drive this once wonderful site forwards again. [Post edited 17 Sep 8:19]
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Is it dying? I'd wager this site is at its most energetic when both sides are nearer full strength, and that plenty "enjoy" reading the rancour. TWTD was more harmonious during the summer suspensions but was it as busy? I didn't notice an upswell in quieter posters filling the void personally, and the view count indicates this is a popular one. |  | | |
| Anyone you know? on 09:10 - Sep 17 with 330 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Anyone you know? on 08:49 - Sep 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Has he admitted that? If he has I didn't see it. Regardless, my point still stands that Glassers made a huge assumption that many calling Kirk fascist probably hadn't heard of him. |
I definitely hadn't heard of him and didn't call him a fascist but he was definitely a bit of a c...... | |
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| Anyone you know? on 09:14 - Sep 17 with 319 views | Whos_blue |
Whilst there are a few still defending the rally and those that attended, given the event was organised by far right activists and the speakers were of the same ilk, it doesn't seem to me to be much of a leap to suggest it was a far right rally no?
I'm happy to state the politics of hate and division spread by the far right are not my cup of tea.
On the flip side I don't see so many stating their support for the politics of the far right.
There are a few who have stated support for Reform. I can understand why that might be even though they're not for me.
But where are those standing up proudly behind the real dyed in the wool far right of SYL, Hopkins, Bannon, Fox et al?
If these people are the doyens of fixing everything that is wrong about the country, why wouldn't they proudly nail their colours to the flag?
There are a few lurky downvoters but not much else.
Are the far right the solution to our woes?
Time to stand up and be counted and tell us why. |  |
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| Anyone you know? on 09:17 - Sep 17 with 294 views | ShortyBlue92 |
| Anyone you know? on 08:49 - Sep 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Has he admitted that? If he has I didn't see it. Regardless, my point still stands that Glassers made a huge assumption that many calling Kirk fascist probably hadn't heard of him. |
I’ve been listening to Charlie Kirk for a few years, personally I would describe him as a Conservative Christian
A very intelligent man who would openly debate with those that did not share his views
Not the behaviour of, what many are saying on here, a fascist | | | |
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