| Driving offence advice please 18:57 - Sep 16 with 1362 views | soupytwist |
A member of my family has received a section 172 notice of intended prosecution for driving without due care and attention.
It’s the result of them rear-ending a car approaching a roundabout. The police did not attend, the person in the car they hit was very reasonable at the time, probably because they knew that the incident occurred because they’d had to brake suddenly due to erratic behaviour by the person in front of them.
However, the person in the car they hit is claiming whiplash etc. and their car had a rear facing dash cam which does show that the family member is more or less bang to rights. Is it likely that the driver sent that footage to the police? Or perhaps sent it somewhere else to do with their claim and it’s found its way to the police from there? Why would they do that, does it mean the injury claim is likely to be paid at a higher amount?
Either way the date on the S172 is more than 14 days (27 in fact) after the incident which is beyond the time frame for sending one isn’t it?
That aside, what’s the likely outcome from there? Complete the form and get points and a fine presumably? It’s their first offence.
Thanks |  | | |  |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:07 - Sep 16 with 1268 views | SuperBobbyPetta |
A ‘CD10’ conviction is more than a speeding etc and normally you’d expect the police to attend the scene though I’m presuming that the footage was clear enough for the police to deem the conviction applicable (effectively they’d be saying that the driver was too close to the car in front). It’s been a while since I was in insurance but the usual outcome was 6 pts and £200 fine. I don’t think the 14 days is relevant. It will make a significant difference to the insurance too. |  | | |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:09 - Sep 16 with 1254 views | mutters |
If there is an accident involved (which there was in this case) then the notice can arrive after 14 days and be valid. Your family member has 28 days to respond I believe.
As for outcome,.no idea. Depends on many factors, not sure how much info they got on the notice? |  |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:14 - Sep 16 with 1212 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Believe the 14 days only applied on speeding fines. This would have gone directly to Plod I would have thought. Injury claim should be settled by the insurance in most cases.
If you rear end a car, irrespective of the car ahead being erratic, it'll be due care and attention every time. You have to leave enough room to come to a stop without hitting the car in front should it suddenly stop. If you hit them, you can't have left enough room by definition.
Bang to rights I'm afraid. |  |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:17 - Sep 16 with 1175 views | giant_stow |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:09 - Sep 16 by mutters |
If there is an accident involved (which there was in this case) then the notice can arrive after 14 days and be valid. Your family member has 28 days to respond I believe.
As for outcome,.no idea. Depends on many factors, not sure how much info they got on the notice? |
So if theres no accident and 14 days go by, youre in the clea right?
(Sorry to jump on the thread, but i had a brain fart on fri evening and did something monumentally stupid. No police, or crash, but im guesisng cameras caught it) |  |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:22 - Sep 16 with 1139 views | mutters |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:17 - Sep 16 by giant_stow |
So if theres no accident and 14 days go by, youre in the clea right?
(Sorry to jump on the thread, but i had a brain fart on fri evening and did something monumentally stupid. No police, or crash, but im guesisng cameras caught it) |
Don't quote me but I do believe that's the general rule. Some offenses do get longer but the police can't sit on it for ages and then decide. Am pretty sure speeding is tickets have the 14 day rule, but I don't know every offence | |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:25 - Sep 16 with 1121 views | giant_stow |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:09 - Sep 16 by mutters |
If there is an accident involved (which there was in this case) then the notice can arrive after 14 days and be valid. Your family member has 28 days to respond I believe.
As for outcome,.no idea. Depends on many factors, not sure how much info they got on the notice? |
Duplicate [Post edited 16 Sep 19:25]
| |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:26 - Sep 16 with 1104 views | giant_stow |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:22 - Sep 16 by mutters |
Don't quote me but I do believe that's the general rule. Some offenses do get longer but the police can't sit on it for ages and then decide. Am pretty sure speeding is tickets have the 14 day rule, but I don't know every offence |
Cheers (fingers crossed) | |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:40 - Sep 16 with 996 views | SuperBobbyPetta |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:26 - Sep 16 by giant_stow |
Cheers (fingers crossed) |
I think the statute of limitations is actually 6 months but for speeding you normally get a Notice of Intended Prosecution with fourteen days | | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| Driving offence advice please on 19:41 - Sep 16 with 993 views | Pinewoodblue |
Did they exchange insurance details at the scene. If there is an injury and insurance details are not exchanged then the matter should be reported to the Police.
The NIP would be issued automatically there is no guarantee a summons will follow. They might be asked to attend a driver awareness course, they are not just for speeding motorists.
The NIP must be issued within 14 days although there is no deadline for receiving it. It is the waiting that gets you could be months. |  |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:46 - Sep 16 with 936 views | giant_stow |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:40 - Sep 16 by SuperBobbyPetta |
I think the statute of limitations is actually 6 months but for speeding you normally get a Notice of Intended Prosecution with fourteen days |
Mine would be driving without due care or even dangerous driving rather than speeding. Im such a prick. [Post edited 16 Sep 19:47]
| |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:53 - Sep 16 with 880 views | NthQldITFC |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:17 - Sep 16 by giant_stow |
So if theres no accident and 14 days go by, youre in the clea right?
(Sorry to jump on the thread, but i had a brain fart on fri evening and did something monumentally stupid. No police, or crash, but im guesisng cameras caught it) |
Christ! You didn't go and buy a ticket to watch that dross they serve up at Carrot Road, did you? I hope the cameras caught it, and they throw the book at you! |  |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 20:09 - Sep 16 with 723 views | ShortyBlue92 |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:17 - Sep 16 by giant_stow |
So if theres no accident and 14 days go by, youre in the clea right?
(Sorry to jump on the thread, but i had a brain fart on fri evening and did something monumentally stupid. No police, or crash, but im guesisng cameras caught it) |
Was this on a motorway ? | | | |
| Driving offence advice please on 20:16 - Sep 16 with 678 views | giant_stow |
| Driving offence advice please on 20:09 - Sep 16 by ShortyBlue92 |
Was this on a motorway ? |
Thickthorn roundabout. Theyd coned the turning to yarmouth off - i drive though the cones anyway. Im for it. Innit. | |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 20:19 - Sep 16 with 643 views | buoyant |
| Driving offence advice please on 20:16 - Sep 16 by giant_stow |
Thickthorn roundabout. Theyd coned the turning to yarmouth off - i drive though the cones anyway. Im for it. Innit. |
You'll probably get away with it. It's bandit country after all! |  |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 20:22 - Sep 16 with 624 views | giant_stow |
| Driving offence advice please on 20:19 - Sep 16 by buoyant |
You'll probably get away with it. It's bandit country after all! |
Pretty sur ethat roundabout must have cameras.im such a fool. | |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 20:25 - Sep 16 with 587 views | SuperBobbyPetta |
| Driving offence advice please on 20:16 - Sep 16 by giant_stow |
Thickthorn roundabout. Theyd coned the turning to yarmouth off - i drive though the cones anyway. Im for it. Innit. |
Sounds more like a TS30/TS50, typically in line with speeding offences 3pts, £100 fine but you never know | | | |
| Driving offence advice please on 20:47 - Sep 16 with 451 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Driving offence advice please on 20:16 - Sep 16 by giant_stow |
Thickthorn roundabout. Theyd coned the turning to yarmouth off - i drive though the cones anyway. Im for it. Innit. |
As long as you don't publicise details of where and roughly when on the internet you should be fine.
Oh.
Seriously, I hope you get nothing for it and learn the lesson of paying more attention where possible. We have all (or at least most of us, I am sure) had narrow escapes at times when behind the wheel. |  |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 21:28 - Sep 16 with 266 views | soupytwist |
| Driving offence advice please on 19:14 - Sep 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Believe the 14 days only applied on speeding fines. This would have gone directly to Plod I would have thought. Injury claim should be settled by the insurance in most cases.
If you rear end a car, irrespective of the car ahead being erratic, it'll be due care and attention every time. You have to leave enough room to come to a stop without hitting the car in front should it suddenly stop. If you hit them, you can't have left enough room by definition.
Bang to rights I'm afraid. |
As I said in the original post, the dash cam footage confirms the bang to rights nature of it but it just seems weird that someone who was was sympathetic at the time has now released their dashcam footage to the police when they didn't even ask the police to attend.
Perhaps they gave their front facing dashcam footage to the police because they wanted to get the driver in front of them (who basically caused the accident by stopping when entering a traffic-light controlled roundabout on a green light) a visit or letter from the police and the police asked for any other available footage. [Post edited 16 Sep 21:47]
| | | |
| Driving offence advice please on 21:36 - Sep 16 with 213 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Driving offence advice please on 21:28 - Sep 16 by soupytwist |
As I said in the original post, the dash cam footage confirms the bang to rights nature of it but it just seems weird that someone who was was sympathetic at the time has now released their dashcam footage to the police when they didn't even ask the police to attend.
Perhaps they gave their front facing dashcam footage to the police because they wanted to get the driver in front of them (who basically caused the accident by stopping when entering a traffic-light controlled roundabout on a green light) a visit or letter from the police and the police asked for any other available footage. [Post edited 16 Sep 21:47]
|
Possible they had to prove that the reason they went into the back of the car in front was from being rear-ended. | |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 22:02 - Sep 16 with 106 views | soupytwist |
| Driving offence advice please on 21:36 - Sep 16 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Possible they had to prove that the reason they went into the back of the car in front was from being rear-ended. |
Thanks, but the person my family member hit managed to avoid the car in front of them because it stopped, just beyond the traffic light stop line even though the lights were green, the lights went amber then red and the car my family member hit stopped behind the stop line.
My family member was doing the classic of looking at the lights and not the car in front, expecting them to go while the lights were green or take a chance on amber. The car in front was unfortunately stationary, hence collision. | | | |
| Driving offence advice please on 22:05 - Sep 16 with 78 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Driving offence advice please on 21:28 - Sep 16 by soupytwist |
As I said in the original post, the dash cam footage confirms the bang to rights nature of it but it just seems weird that someone who was was sympathetic at the time has now released their dashcam footage to the police when they didn't even ask the police to attend.
Perhaps they gave their front facing dashcam footage to the police because they wanted to get the driver in front of them (who basically caused the accident by stopping when entering a traffic-light controlled roundabout on a green light) a visit or letter from the police and the police asked for any other available footage. [Post edited 16 Sep 21:47]
|
What you do at the roadside and then do on reflection after getting home are not the same thing.
Maybe the driver was suffering a little bit of shock, couldn't think what to say at the roadside so acted sympathetically. Or, maybe another vehicle, not involved with the original incident, sent their footage of the whole thing into Operation Snap? | |
| |
| Driving offence advice please on 22:11 - Sep 16 with 48 views | soupytwist |
| Driving offence advice please on 22:05 - Sep 16 by Cheltenham_Blue |
What you do at the roadside and then do on reflection after getting home are not the same thing.
Maybe the driver was suffering a little bit of shock, couldn't think what to say at the roadside so acted sympathetically. Or, maybe another vehicle, not involved with the original incident, sent their footage of the whole thing into Operation Snap? |
Yes, I guess so. It's just a bit annoying that someone's made a relatively minor mistake which is clearly going to impact their insurance premiums for a number of years and then there's this on top which is going to pile more impact on.
That is, however, the result of driving in a time when much more of your activity is recorded for posterity than ever before. | | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
