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I had a chat in a pub on Saturday about a niche puff product* where we went in to a lot of detail on how it works and a third party's experience of the ease of getting it.
Today I get adverts on Facebook for this product. I did no searching for it at all - the ad could only have come from the chat.
Old news in a way, but I'm now a believer - watch what you talk about near phones people.
*I don't want to reward the intrusion by using possible keywords or pointing anyone to this products' existence
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Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Yes we've had some fun with this. As an experiment we've thought of something really random that we have never searched for online or spoken in a phone conversation about. Just talked about it face-to-face once to see if adverts turn up for it later online. And sometimes they do. Mmmmmm. We've also talked about a specific place or an animal and within a week the Lock screen on Windows has changed to be that. But that might just be the IT department listening in on us and manually taking the pi55.
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Proof our phone listen to us on 13:03 - Sep 25 with 776 views
Proof our phone listen to us on 10:29 - Sep 25 by giant_stow
I thought this was conspiracy theory bollox, but now...
The absolute tossers.
as someone who works in this field, i can tell you catagorically this happens.
its actually obvious when you think about it. most people have iphones or Alexas. - and they trigger when you say "hey siri" or "alexa."
well to do that, they have to listen to every single sound.... take it in, work out if its the trigger word - and off it goes doing its thing
the interesting bit is "what happens with the rest of that data" - and youll find that pretty much every company says they keep it in their convouted T&C's whilt maintaining the public "secure" posture -... how they then use it is subject to all sorts of convoluted laws, regulations, (including the processing of data under GDPR) and the upshot is - these companies believe theyve got the right to do with it what they want - and so far... noone has been aable to sucessfully legally challenge on this. (despite some noteable attempts)
the really creepy stuff is the hidden geolocation within your phone, based on your IMEI, IMEI2 and SSMIE - which geolocates you next to adverts based on triangulation - then trigger your advert preferences based on your phyiscal whereabouts.... thats proper george orwell stuff... and yes, its in every iphone since iphone 6
Proof our phone listen to us on 13:03 - Sep 25 by MJallday
as someone who works in this field, i can tell you catagorically this happens.
its actually obvious when you think about it. most people have iphones or Alexas. - and they trigger when you say "hey siri" or "alexa."
well to do that, they have to listen to every single sound.... take it in, work out if its the trigger word - and off it goes doing its thing
the interesting bit is "what happens with the rest of that data" - and youll find that pretty much every company says they keep it in their convouted T&C's whilt maintaining the public "secure" posture -... how they then use it is subject to all sorts of convoluted laws, regulations, (including the processing of data under GDPR) and the upshot is - these companies believe theyve got the right to do with it what they want - and so far... noone has been aable to sucessfully legally challenge on this. (despite some noteable attempts)
the really creepy stuff is the hidden geolocation within your phone, based on your IMEI, IMEI2 and SSMIE - which geolocates you next to adverts based on triangulation - then trigger your advert preferences based on your phyiscal whereabouts.... thats proper george orwell stuff... and yes, its in every iphone since iphone 6
Proof our phone listen to us on 10:29 - Sep 25 by giant_stow
I thought this was conspiracy theory bollox, but now...
The absolute tossers.
No ive heard it happen to too many people i trust not to be taken in by coincidence or happenstance. It definitely seems to be a thing. The problem of course is which app is it that's doing it.
It's like I heard a story about some kind of ring camera for home security bought from the usual cheap online suppliers. They connected it to their WiFi, but they know a thing or two about networks and have it locked down and logging attempts for security. Well the logs suddenly went nuts with attempts from inside his network to break out, this damn camera was trying to phone home basically, and home being about 5000miles east and share the feed. So he unplugged it and binned it.
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Proof our phone listen to us on 20:16 - Sep 25 with 536 views
Proof our phone listen to us on 11:55 - Sep 25 by RonFearonsHair
I still think it's more likely that the other guy bought or searched for the product and Facebook linked him to your mate through their interactions, then your proximity with your mate was logged and you were 'profiled' as potentially sharing a common interest.
The sheer amount of energy, storage and processing power required to constantly record and analyse every single person's voice conversations make it extremely unlikely for that to be the reason, in my opinion.
This is a weird one. On the one hand I’ve had it happen to me and indeed am currently being served ads for a niche product that I don’t think that I googled. On the other I don’t recall it ever being structured into a media buy as a way of targeting. Usually you base it around a profile or a search. Happily I have quite a large team of media buyers at my disposal though so if I remember, I will ask someone about it on Tuesday and report back to you all.
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Proof our phone listen to us on 08:56 - Sep 27 with 131 views
If people are happy to go along with this, then they can't really object to digital ID cards which are really only a means of proving that you are the person the government already holds information about in terms of things like passport, NI number, driving licence.
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Proof our phone listen to us on 09:38 - Sep 27 with 103 views
Proof our phone listen to us on 22:51 - Sep 26 by FrimleyBlue
I got rid of my alexa a few months back for this reason
me and the mrs were like you, just chatting about stuff and part of that was about a safari,
we, like you did no searching, just a chat, that same night we came across adverts for safaris which we'd never seen before.
We have a couple of Alexas. My sister sent me a link about how they're harvesting data but I pointed out that I fully expected that to be the case as the services it offers are incredible when you consider your only outlay is the unit itself. I've been to China twice so this stuff really doesn't bother me. It's those who are unaware that it's happening and then find themselves being guided down purchasing rabbit holes as they're only being served certain content that we need to worry about IMHO.
I'm not saying I like it or it's fair, or we're fair game but it's the reality.
It's 106 miles to Portman Road, we've got a full tank of gas, half a round of Port Salut, it's dark... and we're wearing blue tinted sunglasses.
Proof our phone listen to us on 09:38 - Sep 27 by Plums
We have a couple of Alexas. My sister sent me a link about how they're harvesting data but I pointed out that I fully expected that to be the case as the services it offers are incredible when you consider your only outlay is the unit itself. I've been to China twice so this stuff really doesn't bother me. It's those who are unaware that it's happening and then find themselves being guided down purchasing rabbit holes as they're only being served certain content that we need to worry about IMHO.
I'm not saying I like it or it's fair, or we're fair game but it's the reality.
Being listened to by your phone without this stuff or AI enabled however is a different matter completely.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Proof our phone listen to us on 08:56 - Sep 27 by DJR
If people are happy to go along with this, then they can't really object to digital ID cards which are really only a means of proving that you are the person the government already holds information about in terms of things like passport, NI number, driving licence.
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But will it stop the boats!! Lol.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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