| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's 12:29 - Oct 6 with 2701 views | nick141 |
Perhaps I'm naive but i was genuinely surprised by the level of anger in the minutes between their goal and Philo's belter. People were losing their sh*t at the players for trying to pass it out the back, and also just generally angry with the players in general.
It contributed to a borderline toxic environment for that 10 minutes, and I would worry how the game might've gone if we hadn't had the wonder goal.
Do people not realise that a) we are going to pass it out the back as we have done for the past 3 years to general success and b) that standing up performatively and shouting abuse at the players does them no good, is harmful to their chances of winning, and therefore increases the risk of sadness for you as the shouter?!
NB it was a bloody great day, and not trying to bring the mood down - but I would like our fans to be more resilient to set backs in future. Do tell me if i'm being naive! [Post edited 6 Oct 12:30]
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| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 16:04 - Oct 6 with 258 views | Wickets |
| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 12:44 - Oct 6 by FrimleyBlue |
It's not about playing from the back
It's when. There were absolute suicide balls being played and not sensible ones either. |
Yes I agree as for me we need to get the balance right there are times when it's really not on and of course times when it might be beneficial. |  | | |
| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 16:04 - Oct 6 with 258 views | bluelagos |
| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 14:01 - Oct 6 by GlasgowBlue |
Perhaps OTT but it was incredibly frustrating seeing O'Shea and Palmer giving the opposition possession of the ball. It's happening far too often.
Palmer, O'Shea, Greves, Kipre and Matusiwa are not capable of playing the same way as Hladky, Wolfenden, Burgess and Morsy.
We are dominating games yet give the opposition a confidence boost when we panic at the back. Better teams will punish us.
It's the only negative from yesterday. [Post edited 6 Oct 14:04]
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"Palmer, O'Shea, Greves, Kipre and Matusiwa are not capable of playing the same way as Hladky, Wolfenden, Burgess and Morsy."
I'd qualify that slighty - along the lines of "Palmer, O'Shea, Greves, Kipre and Matusiwa are not as effective at playing from the back as Hladky, Wolfenden, Burgess and Morsy were."
And the reason isn't necessarily because they are worse players - for me it's more that the opposition is much better at pressing than 2 seasons ago. Yesterday Nodge had done their homework and were sitting on Matusiwa and/or cutting off passes. 4 players co-ordinated in their press far more effective than what we faced in previous years from most sides. |  |
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| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 16:06 - Oct 6 with 252 views | Swansea_Blue |
People don’t have much patience these days and get angry quickly. It’s not unique to us; just mirrors society. We don’t have much resilience either despite our ‘running towards diversity’ strap line. The goals conceded at Blackburn and Bristol killed our crowd, and we weren’t exactly loud to begin with. That is particularly noticeable with us. I’ve been at other grounds where fans respond well if their team goes behind. It’s a bit weird, but it’s where we are. We’ve always been a reticent crowd, so the sometimes lack of displaying passion isn’t surprising, but that makes the anger all the more strange. If we’re going to be reserved it should cut across all emotions. |  |
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| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 16:09 - Oct 6 with 246 views | Bramidan |
| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 15:43 - Oct 6 by FrimleyBlue |
Think is it's not about it being new, of course it's not
But people's frustrations showed as we started kicking the ball out play for throw ins when they have a long thrower, we were also playing really really short balls to azor and cajuste and were getting incredibly lucky with some of them.
Absolutely still play it, it's part of KM's style. But absolutely hoof the fker if the easy pass isnt on. I think at times we did overplay it when more direct balls would have been better. [Post edited 6 Oct 15:54]
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Nothing wrong with passing out from the back but please stop passing the ball back into our penalty area when we are under pressure. We can all see the problem coming passing to a player under pressure.
Yes pass out from the back, no problem but don’t do it just because that’s what we do.
You are professional footballers, probably in an academy since before teens, surely you recognise the danger?
I really don’t want to single anybody out to reinforce my point but O’Shea couldn’t find a player in a blue shirt in the first 10 minutes, found out of play and missed passes.
Surely they should recognise they can’t play hospital passes in every situation, use your professional footballing brains.
On occasion get rid of it to reset. Be aware that some teams rely on long throws, so let them have it on the half line. We are poor defending corners so hump it away.
In short please use your skill to decide if it is appropriate to play short passes in your area when you are under pressure. | | | |
| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 16:17 - Oct 6 with 219 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 16:09 - Oct 6 by Bramidan |
Nothing wrong with passing out from the back but please stop passing the ball back into our penalty area when we are under pressure. We can all see the problem coming passing to a player under pressure.
Yes pass out from the back, no problem but don’t do it just because that’s what we do.
You are professional footballers, probably in an academy since before teens, surely you recognise the danger?
I really don’t want to single anybody out to reinforce my point but O’Shea couldn’t find a player in a blue shirt in the first 10 minutes, found out of play and missed passes.
Surely they should recognise they can’t play hospital passes in every situation, use your professional footballing brains.
On occasion get rid of it to reset. Be aware that some teams rely on long throws, so let them have it on the half line. We are poor defending corners so hump it away.
In short please use your skill to decide if it is appropriate to play short passes in your area when you are under pressure. |
Think is when it comes off it looks brilliant of course, but dear god some of those passes were so dangerous, there's one where Cajuste spins the attacker - JUST, any nick of that ball and nodge had 3 players who could have scored in that moment.
Oshea was really nervous yesturday, probably his worse game with the ball i've seen tbh, didnt seem to know what to do |  |
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| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 16:42 - Oct 6 with 179 views | Blueschev |
| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 14:30 - Oct 6 by GlasgowBlue |
We come on to the pitch like invincible gladiators. The opposition look scared of us and then we start passing them the ball under pressure or kicking out foe a throw in. That seems to give the opposition some wind in the sails and we look vulnerable. That's how I'm seeing it.
KM can coach the players to play out from the back but they jus don't have that speed of thought and natural instinct that Hladky and his defenders had.
As you say, the corner came from us getting it right. But more often we don't. And what is most noticeable is that the players don't seem to able to understand when the pass really isn't on. |
I did get a little frustrated at times yesterday that Philogene would have so much space on the left that Palmer could have exploited with a quick kick out of his hands, but instead he opted to play short and slow things down. |  | | |
| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 17:01 - Oct 6 with 160 views | Radlett_blue |
Much of our attempts to pass out from the back yesterday was poor. It was too slow & usually seems to involve Furlong & O'Shea & the latter was out of touch in the first half. Norwich liked to press & they did that very successfully in the first half. However, it's hard to press high for 90 minutes & their pressing may be partly why we took over the game during the second half.
I could understand the crowd's frustration that we persisted with the passing out when it was usually getting us nowhere & we conceded a corner, which could easily have been a goal. Especially as the crowd were already frustrated by us sitting back after going 1-0 up & then conceding. |  |
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| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 17:17 - Oct 6 with 138 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 15:54 - Oct 6 by Blueschev |
There were quite a few people around me really laying in to Hirst, calling him a tw*t and all sorts. It seemed completely unnecessary even if he was having a poor game, which I didn't think he was. |
No need for abuse towards our players but Hirst missed an absolute sitter and then squared a ball to no one in particular when he was one on one with the keeper, albeit an awkward angle. He's having a very poor season so far. |  |
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| The ten mins between their goal and Philogene's on 17:33 - Oct 6 with 106 views | Blue_Heath |
I have to agree that the playing out to the back was suicidal, a better team would have carved us apart. It so obviously was not working yet every time we went over the top something was happening. I had a shout a few times and stand by my opinion, equally I applauded when finally we went long. It's a derby match, win at all costs, thankfully in the end we did. | | | |
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