| Aston Villa banning away fans..... 17:58 - Oct 16 with 15503 views | Bloots |
....from Villa Park for the match against Maccabi Tel Aviv, due to "public safety concerns and the ability to deal with protests".
What a ridiculous world we live in. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:04 - Oct 20 with 885 views | DJR |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:53 - Oct 20 by GlasgowBlue |
Maccabi were going to go ahead with sales but now Tommy Robinson said he was going they have decided not to sell tickets. Maccabi citing extremist figures getting involved.
I said it was an impossible situation with his intervention so I’m glad they have taken this decision. |
If that is the case, the decision by the Diaspora Minister, which encouraged Robinson to get involved, has clearly backfired.
He should have heeded the advice of the Board of Deputies who would have wanted the game to go ahead with Maccabi fans, as would the Israeli government. [Post edited 21 Oct 8:15]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:06 - Oct 20 with 865 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:04 - Oct 20 by DJR |
If that is the case, the decision by the Diaspora Minister, which encouraged Robinson to get involved, has clearly backfired.
He should have heeded the advice of the Board of Deputies who would have wanted the game to go ahead with Maccabi fans, as would the Israeli government. [Post edited 21 Oct 8:15]
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Indeed. Then again the Diaspora Minister, like many in the Israeli cabinet, is a vile far right extremist racist c unit who shames his office.
The Board of Deputies and Jewish Leadership council have said he is "Diaspora Minister in name only. [Post edited 20 Oct 22:09]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:07 - Oct 20 with 865 views | DJR |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:06 - Oct 20 by GlasgowBlue |
Indeed. Then again the Diaspora Minister, like many in the Israeli cabinet, is a vile far right extremist racist c unit who shames his office.
The Board of Deputies and Jewish Leadership council have said he is "Diaspora Minister in name only. [Post edited 20 Oct 22:09]
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Absolutely. And in my view explains why they can find common cause with Robinson. [Post edited 20 Oct 22:09]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 06:58 - Oct 21 with 749 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:02 - Oct 20 by GlasgowBlue |
some wealthy Zionists. Many Zionists, wealthy or not, are appalled by the likes of Tommy Robinson. The BOD have been unequivocal in their condemnation of him.
It would be rather racist if somebody said that Islamic terror groups were funded by wealthy Muslims. Only a small minority of wealthy Muslims do so.
The way the poison drips off your keyboard when you type the word Zionist leads me to believe you have been radicalised. Your obsessed with Zionists.
I’m putting you on ignore because I the thought of sharing the same virtual air with you absolutely disgusts me. [Post edited 20 Oct 22:04]
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It's how English works GB. Just about everybody knows that sometimes when we refer to a certain numbers of people we don't need a quantifier, it's meaning is understood.
I'm inviting friends and family over for Christmas.
I'm not inviting all my friends and all my family, my dining room table seats 8 people at a push.
Last week my brother-in-law's great dane was shot by local hunters in the forest at the back of his property.
His local hunting club has about 50 active members. They were not all in the forest shooting at his dog Schmeichel.
My neighbour told me she doesn't like Arabs yesterday. I pointed out that Amina who comes to take her out for walks in her wheelchair at weekends is Arabic.
A hate budgies.
But... you get the point
Your effort to label others as hateful or racist is so desperate at times it seems counterproductive. No one wants to live in a society where there is hate.
Finally, thank you for acknowledging that Tommy Robinson and his knuckle draggers receive funds from wealthy Zionists and also for pointing out that the majority of Zionists, rich and poor distance themselves from him.
Thanks also for putting me on ignore. |  | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 07:55 - Oct 21 with 702 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 21:53 - Oct 20 by GlasgowBlue |
Maccabi were going to go ahead with sales but now Tommy Robinson said he was going they have decided not to sell tickets. Maccabi citing extremist figures getting involved.
I said it was an impossible situation with his intervention so I’m glad they have taken this decision. |
Classy statement from Maccabi.
Club statement
We acknowledge the efforts of the UK government and police to ensure both sets of fans can attend the match safely, and are grateful for the messages of support from across the footballing community and society at large.
We as a Club believe that football should be about bringing people together not driving them apart and no one should feel unsafe for simply wanting to come and support their team nor feel any hesitation about being accompanied by family and friends.
We have a strong track record in seeking to bring people together. We have been instrumental in bringing forward footballing talent from around the world irrespective of race or creed. Our first team squad consists of Muslims, Christian and Jewish players and our fan base also crosses the ethnic and religious divide. We have also been working tirelessly to stamp out racism within the more extreme elements of our fan base. Unfortunately, those issues are not restricted to Israeli football, and they are problems the sport has been grappling worldwide including in the UK.
It is clear, that various entrenched groups seek to malign the Maccabi Tel Aviv fan base, most of whom have no truck with racism or hooliganism of any kind, and are exploiting isolated incidents for their own social and political ends. The latest example is by people who have rushed to attribute to our fans the decision of the Tel Aviv police to cancel our derby match yesterday. It was not. It is easier to believe than to enquire especially when it suites an agenda. Our fans regularly travel all over Europe without incident and to suggest that the reason our fans cannot be allowed to travel is due to their behavior is an attempt to distort reality and to excuse the real underlying reasons for the decision to ban our fans. Our fans, the Jewish community know all too well this tactic and all are too familiar with where it can lead.
We are also concerned about the intervention of divisive figures who do not represent the values of our Club. We condemn all abhorrent views that have no place in football.
As a result of the hate-filled falsehoods, a toxic atmosphere has been created which makes the safety of our fans wishing to attend very much in doubt. Inflammatory rhetoric, trafficking in half-truths is never healthy, but in this particular case the remarks being generated are of the most concerning variety. Not for Maccabi Tel Aviv or football, but for the sake of society and its underlying values, maybe the agendas involved here should be looked at more closely.
The wellbeing and safety of our fans is paramount and from hard lessons learned, we have taken the decision to decline any allocation offered on behalf of away fans and our decision should be understood in that context.
We hope that circumstances will change and look forward to being able to play in Birmingham in a sporting environment in the near future. | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:42 - Oct 21 with 631 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 07:55 - Oct 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Classy statement from Maccabi.
Club statement
We acknowledge the efforts of the UK government and police to ensure both sets of fans can attend the match safely, and are grateful for the messages of support from across the footballing community and society at large.
We as a Club believe that football should be about bringing people together not driving them apart and no one should feel unsafe for simply wanting to come and support their team nor feel any hesitation about being accompanied by family and friends.
We have a strong track record in seeking to bring people together. We have been instrumental in bringing forward footballing talent from around the world irrespective of race or creed. Our first team squad consists of Muslims, Christian and Jewish players and our fan base also crosses the ethnic and religious divide. We have also been working tirelessly to stamp out racism within the more extreme elements of our fan base. Unfortunately, those issues are not restricted to Israeli football, and they are problems the sport has been grappling worldwide including in the UK.
It is clear, that various entrenched groups seek to malign the Maccabi Tel Aviv fan base, most of whom have no truck with racism or hooliganism of any kind, and are exploiting isolated incidents for their own social and political ends. The latest example is by people who have rushed to attribute to our fans the decision of the Tel Aviv police to cancel our derby match yesterday. It was not. It is easier to believe than to enquire especially when it suites an agenda. Our fans regularly travel all over Europe without incident and to suggest that the reason our fans cannot be allowed to travel is due to their behavior is an attempt to distort reality and to excuse the real underlying reasons for the decision to ban our fans. Our fans, the Jewish community know all too well this tactic and all are too familiar with where it can lead.
We are also concerned about the intervention of divisive figures who do not represent the values of our Club. We condemn all abhorrent views that have no place in football.
As a result of the hate-filled falsehoods, a toxic atmosphere has been created which makes the safety of our fans wishing to attend very much in doubt. Inflammatory rhetoric, trafficking in half-truths is never healthy, but in this particular case the remarks being generated are of the most concerning variety. Not for Maccabi Tel Aviv or football, but for the sake of society and its underlying values, maybe the agendas involved here should be looked at more closely.
The wellbeing and safety of our fans is paramount and from hard lessons learned, we have taken the decision to decline any allocation offered on behalf of away fans and our decision should be understood in that context.
We hope that circumstances will change and look forward to being able to play in Birmingham in a sporting environment in the near future. |
....but let's hope they are banned from representing their country on the international stage in short order. |  |
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| Seems the only logical outcome…. on 09:10 - Oct 21 with 571 views | Bloots |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 07:55 - Oct 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Classy statement from Maccabi.
Club statement
We acknowledge the efforts of the UK government and police to ensure both sets of fans can attend the match safely, and are grateful for the messages of support from across the footballing community and society at large.
We as a Club believe that football should be about bringing people together not driving them apart and no one should feel unsafe for simply wanting to come and support their team nor feel any hesitation about being accompanied by family and friends.
We have a strong track record in seeking to bring people together. We have been instrumental in bringing forward footballing talent from around the world irrespective of race or creed. Our first team squad consists of Muslims, Christian and Jewish players and our fan base also crosses the ethnic and religious divide. We have also been working tirelessly to stamp out racism within the more extreme elements of our fan base. Unfortunately, those issues are not restricted to Israeli football, and they are problems the sport has been grappling worldwide including in the UK.
It is clear, that various entrenched groups seek to malign the Maccabi Tel Aviv fan base, most of whom have no truck with racism or hooliganism of any kind, and are exploiting isolated incidents for their own social and political ends. The latest example is by people who have rushed to attribute to our fans the decision of the Tel Aviv police to cancel our derby match yesterday. It was not. It is easier to believe than to enquire especially when it suites an agenda. Our fans regularly travel all over Europe without incident and to suggest that the reason our fans cannot be allowed to travel is due to their behavior is an attempt to distort reality and to excuse the real underlying reasons for the decision to ban our fans. Our fans, the Jewish community know all too well this tactic and all are too familiar with where it can lead.
We are also concerned about the intervention of divisive figures who do not represent the values of our Club. We condemn all abhorrent views that have no place in football.
As a result of the hate-filled falsehoods, a toxic atmosphere has been created which makes the safety of our fans wishing to attend very much in doubt. Inflammatory rhetoric, trafficking in half-truths is never healthy, but in this particular case the remarks being generated are of the most concerning variety. Not for Maccabi Tel Aviv or football, but for the sake of society and its underlying values, maybe the agendas involved here should be looked at more closely.
The wellbeing and safety of our fans is paramount and from hard lessons learned, we have taken the decision to decline any allocation offered on behalf of away fans and our decision should be understood in that context.
We hope that circumstances will change and look forward to being able to play in Birmingham in a sporting environment in the near future. |
….really.
If the WMP can’t do their job properly then they have little choice.
It’s a sad indictment of our police “service” and sets a miserable precedent, it’s obvious why they stopped calling themselves a “force” now.
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| Seems the only logical outcome…. on 09:22 - Oct 21 with 526 views | DJR |
| Seems the only logical outcome…. on 09:10 - Oct 21 by Bloots |
….really.
If the WMP can’t do their job properly then they have little choice.
It’s a sad indictment of our police “service” and sets a miserable precedent, it’s obvious why they stopped calling themselves a “force” now.
Love & Peace. |
Yair Lapid, the opposition leader, posted much the same thing on social media. 
“To the endless list of failures of the incompetent minister Itamar Ben Gvir, tonight was added the inability to facilitate a soccer game in the State of Israel,” Lapid posted on social media."
MK Vladimir Beliak, of Lapid’s Yesh Atid party, posted that “after Netanyahu, Ben Gvir, and his absurd appointments, there is no police left that’s capable of its work, of securing something basic — a soccer game.”
“Apparently it’s easier to go after citizens reading the names of the hostages,” he added, referring to police actions against protesters. “Wishing a speedy recovery to everyone injured in the incident.” | | | |
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| Yeah probably..... on 12:22 - Oct 21 with 416 views | DJR |
| Yeah probably..... on 09:47 - Oct 17 by DJR |
We certainly do seem to be going down a route where the independence of the police and judiciary is being challenged by politicians.
This never used to happen, and is a slippery slope in my view because it is happening in the States with bells on, and we are happy to criticise it there. [Post edited 17 Oct 9:48]
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As if to prove my point.
Reform UK would remove the operational independence of the police, Danny Kruger has said. Kruger, the former Tory MP who defected to Reform recently and who has been tasked by Nigel Farage with preparing the party for government, said Reform would put the police under the control of elected politicians. He posted this on social media last night after the Commons urgent question about the decision to ban Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from attending an Aston Villa match in Birmingham next month.
"Lab, Con & LibDems today all agreed the decision by Weds Mids police to ban the Jewish fans is wrong, disgraceful etc, but nothing they can do because ‘operational independence’. Only Reform UK will change the law to put the police under the control of elected politicians." | | | |
| Yeah probably..... on 12:39 - Oct 21 with 387 views | giant_stow |
| Yeah probably..... on 12:22 - Oct 21 by DJR |
As if to prove my point.
Reform UK would remove the operational independence of the police, Danny Kruger has said. Kruger, the former Tory MP who defected to Reform recently and who has been tasked by Nigel Farage with preparing the party for government, said Reform would put the police under the control of elected politicians. He posted this on social media last night after the Commons urgent question about the decision to ban Maccabi Tel Aviv fans from attending an Aston Villa match in Birmingham next month.
"Lab, Con & LibDems today all agreed the decision by Weds Mids police to ban the Jewish fans is wrong, disgraceful etc, but nothing they can do because ‘operational independence’. Only Reform UK will change the law to put the police under the control of elected politicians." |
That idea of Reform's is one of the most terrifying things I've read for a long time. |  |
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| Yeah probably..... on 13:13 - Oct 21 with 339 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Yeah probably..... on 12:39 - Oct 21 by giant_stow |
That idea of Reform's is one of the most terrifying things I've read for a long time. |
ID cards anyone? | |
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| Yeah probably..... on 13:48 - Oct 21 with 297 views | Jon_456 |
Genuine question as I’ve not looked into it.
Why are people against ID cards? |  | | |
| Yeah probably..... on 16:31 - Oct 21 with 216 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Yeah probably..... on 13:48 - Oct 21 by Jon_456 |
Genuine question as I’ve not looked into it.
Why are people against ID cards? |
I seriously suggest you do look into it. You don't want your freedom to be lost based on a viewpoint you borrow from anyone on this forum. Your decision will affect your children and grandchildren too.
Look deeply into arguments for and against because if it happens, there won't be any going back. | | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 17:18 - Oct 21 with 178 views | Ryorry |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 06:58 - Oct 21 by Cafe_Newman |
It's how English works GB. Just about everybody knows that sometimes when we refer to a certain numbers of people we don't need a quantifier, it's meaning is understood.
I'm inviting friends and family over for Christmas.
I'm not inviting all my friends and all my family, my dining room table seats 8 people at a push.
Last week my brother-in-law's great dane was shot by local hunters in the forest at the back of his property.
His local hunting club has about 50 active members. They were not all in the forest shooting at his dog Schmeichel.
My neighbour told me she doesn't like Arabs yesterday. I pointed out that Amina who comes to take her out for walks in her wheelchair at weekends is Arabic.
A hate budgies.
But... you get the point
Your effort to label others as hateful or racist is so desperate at times it seems counterproductive. No one wants to live in a society where there is hate.
Finally, thank you for acknowledging that Tommy Robinson and his knuckle draggers receive funds from wealthy Zionists and also for pointing out that the majority of Zionists, rich and poor distance themselves from him.
Thanks also for putting me on ignore. |
We're discussing a very sensitive topic at a time of serioisly heightened tensions though - it doesn't do any harm to be as precise as we possibly can be with language in the situation. |  |
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| Yeah probably..... on 17:20 - Oct 21 with 172 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Yeah probably..... on 13:48 - Oct 21 by Jon_456 |
Genuine question as I’ve not looked into it.
Why are people against ID cards? |
How about because Reform are suggesting political oversight of the police? | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 17:45 - Oct 21 with 118 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 17:18 - Oct 21 by Ryorry |
We're discussing a very sensitive topic at a time of serioisly heightened tensions though - it doesn't do any harm to be as precise as we possibly can be with language in the situation. |
That's a fair point. Common sense must also play a part during these tense times too though. The idea that ALL wealthy Zionists fund Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is preposterous. | | | |
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