| Aston Villa banning away fans..... 17:58 - Oct 16 with 9902 views | Bloots |
....from Villa Park for the match against Maccabi Tel Aviv, due to "public safety concerns and the ability to deal with protests".
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:44 - Oct 16 with 1176 views | lowhouseblue |
i'm struggling to think of another example of the police banning a group from a lawful event because they can't deal with potential protests against them? it feels like the police just giving up under the threat of lawlessness. a very worrying approach to policing. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:48 - Oct 16 with 1142 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 19:25 - Oct 16 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’m not sure why Israeli teams aren’t banned from European competitions as Russian teams (rightly) have been.
Seems an easily avoidable situation. |
I think that is an honest and legitimate view to hold. And there is certainly a debate to be had. However, that debate perhaps should have taken place before the current ceasefire .
However, they are allowed to play in the competition. So taking aside the rights and wrongs of Israeli clubs taking part in European club football, a decision has been made to exclude travelling overseas fans from attending a football match because the Police guarantee their safety on the streets of a British city.
That is deeply troubling. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:55 - Oct 16 with 1096 views | vapour_trail |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:44 - Oct 16 by lowhouseblue |
i'm struggling to think of another example of the police banning a group from a lawful event because they can't deal with potential protests against them? it feels like the police just giving up under the threat of lawlessness. a very worrying approach to policing. |
Here he is. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:59 - Oct 16 with 1064 views | vapour_trail |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:48 - Oct 16 by GlasgowBlue |
I think that is an honest and legitimate view to hold. And there is certainly a debate to be had. However, that debate perhaps should have taken place before the current ceasefire .
However, they are allowed to play in the competition. So taking aside the rights and wrongs of Israeli clubs taking part in European club football, a decision has been made to exclude travelling overseas fans from attending a football match because the Police guarantee their safety on the streets of a British city.
That is deeply troubling. |
Calling bullsh1t again.
This was asked for many years ago. You know that though.i | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 23:10 - Oct 16 with 1012 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:59 - Oct 16 by vapour_trail |
Calling bullsh1t again.
This was asked for many years ago. You know that though.i |
I think you’ve completely misunderstood the first point I was making. I didn’t say there hadn’t been a debate about banning Israeli clubs, I was saying that it’s probably moot now with the Trump ceasefire.
However, by focusing solely on that first point it’s given you an excuse avoid the the second.
Thank you for your contribution though. It’s always appreciated and valued. [Post edited 16 Oct 23:11]
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 23:38 - Oct 16 with 969 views | Perublue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:26 - Oct 16 by bluelagos |
Blimey, missed that. The one that did get some coverage was a club game in Mexico where fans attacked other fans and killed them, really brutal clips. |
I know that Mexican game .. horrible ... and a thing here is they strip you as well although that’s the least of your concerns if you’re at that stage already.I think the law here came in for domestic matches around 2017 or 18 but copa libertadores or sudamericana games .. they still have away fans .. not many and highly highly highly protected… recently Chile and Argentinian club match was abandoned with similar happenings so that may stop soon too.
Very brave of you to visit the Matute even if you were with home fans 😮 |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 06:18 - Oct 17 with 859 views | bluelagos |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 23:38 - Oct 16 by Perublue |
I know that Mexican game .. horrible ... and a thing here is they strip you as well although that’s the least of your concerns if you’re at that stage already.I think the law here came in for domestic matches around 2017 or 18 but copa libertadores or sudamericana games .. they still have away fans .. not many and highly highly highly protected… recently Chile and Argentinian club match was abandoned with similar happenings so that may stop soon too.
Very brave of you to visit the Matute even if you were with home fans 😮 |
I watched them play River Plate too. Load of RP fans were at our hostel and they were far from friendly towards anyone tbh. Took over the pool area, loud music, really unpleasant and bullying attitude to all.
Was a tasty walk home from the ground at around midnight, didn't really enjoy that one tbh. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 07:06 - Oct 17 with 813 views | NthQldITFC |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:48 - Oct 16 by GlasgowBlue |
I think that is an honest and legitimate view to hold. And there is certainly a debate to be had. However, that debate perhaps should have taken place before the current ceasefire .
However, they are allowed to play in the competition. So taking aside the rights and wrongs of Israeli clubs taking part in European club football, a decision has been made to exclude travelling overseas fans from attending a football match because the Police guarantee their safety on the streets of a British city.
That is deeply troubling. |
I firmly believe sporting (and other) sanctions should have been applied to Israel some significant number of months ago. So while I agree with what you're saying in principle (and admire your openness) I think that the underlying anger, very justified in my opinion, might well mean that the situation is just too difficult for the police to handle, and that the decision is primarily a practical one rather than a back door means of applying sanctions. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:02 - Oct 17 with 748 views | Benters |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:44 - Oct 16 by lowhouseblue |
i'm struggling to think of another example of the police banning a group from a lawful event because they can't deal with potential protests against them? it feels like the police just giving up under the threat of lawlessness. a very worrying approach to policing. |
Yes it’s not good is it and very concerning. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:09 - Oct 17 with 722 views | NthQldITFC |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:44 - Oct 16 by lowhouseblue |
i'm struggling to think of another example of the police banning a group from a lawful event because they can't deal with potential protests against them? it feels like the police just giving up under the threat of lawlessness. a very worrying approach to policing. |
Decades of underfunding, mainly by T*ry governments? | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:16 - Oct 17 with 708 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:09 - Oct 17 by NthQldITFC |
Decades of underfunding, mainly by T*ry governments? |
It’s ok. Now the PM is involved, external police forces will be deployed.
Like The Met and SYP.
What could go wrong. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:39 - Oct 17 with 663 views | Jon_456 |
Diversity is our strength.. Apart from it stopping a group of people attending a football match.
Whatever reason we blame it on, it’s pretty embarrassing that this country can’t safely accommodate 2,000 football supporters for a day. |  | | |
| Yep, although my point was really.... on 08:42 - Oct 17 with 656 views | itfcjoe |
| Yep, although my point was really.... on 19:11 - Oct 16 by Bloots |
...just about the fact that they are saying they can't police the match, so the only option they can see is banning away fans.
Seems a huge cop out by the cops, so to speak.
As someone else has said it's a dangerous precedent that will now potentially give them the power to do it whenever they fancy it. |
Basically mob rule in Britain's 2nd city |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:44 - Oct 17 with 646 views | Benters |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:39 - Oct 17 by Jon_456 |
Diversity is our strength.. Apart from it stopping a group of people attending a football match.
Whatever reason we blame it on, it’s pretty embarrassing that this country can’t safely accommodate 2,000 football supporters for a day. |
It’s the easy way out ba. | |
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| Yep, although my point was really.... on 08:47 - Oct 17 with 627 views | Benters |
| Yep, although my point was really.... on 08:42 - Oct 17 by itfcjoe |
Basically mob rule in Britain's 2nd city |
This. | |
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| Yep, although my point was really.... on 08:51 - Oct 17 with 610 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Yep, although my point was really.... on 08:42 - Oct 17 by itfcjoe |
Basically mob rule in Britain's 2nd city |
You do realise that nothing has actually happened? |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:52 - Oct 17 with 605 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
Sportsmanship. The very term sums up what we mean by competition, incuding fierce competition, but at the end of the day acceptance of victory or defeat, without the need to turn to violence. It's supposed to allow us to have rivalries and express our support through singing and chanting about our team. But when it turns to hate songs, provocative banners lauding violence, and violent clashes, perhaps the only solution is to play matches behind closed doors as a reminder that there are limits as to what is acceptable. |  |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:53 - Oct 17 with 600 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 22:17 - Oct 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is this where we officially realise that the prospect of anti Israel (and representatives of the genocidal state of Israel) protests are to be characterised as antisemitic? But we were told it could never happen. [Post edited 17 Oct 6:47]
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No takers....I wish I was surprised! | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:58 - Oct 17 with 577 views | BloomBlue |
The haters of the Jewish community win again.
If people's safety is at danger from other people, ban the other people. In this situation the police are talking about the protesters could result in violence, then ban the protesters.
I'm also assuming if there are Jewish people amongst the Villa fans, the police will also ban Villa fans from the match for their own safety.
Will the Midlands police also ban Chelsea or Liverpool fans because both those matches are classed as high risk. Will Norfolk police ban Ipswich fans, as that's classed as high risk.
I also want to know if those tickets go to British Jews, will the police still ban them?
Remember all those non Liverpool fans who condemned the French police for not protecting L'pool fans in the CL final. Condemned for not protecting a couple of thousand fans attending a football match. Many said, if the French police cannot protect football fans then they shouldn't have matches like CL final. Maybe next time the French police should simply band the L'pool fans from a CL final. Maybe if we reach a final us fans should be banned if the police cannot protect us.
Many people believe the police are institutionally racist, this is another example.
The government say they cannot do anything about the police decision, however they can ban the game and give the 3 points to Maccabi Tel Aviv.
UK 2025 - the police cannot defend 2000 Jewish football fans.
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:07 - Oct 17 with 539 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:53 - Oct 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
No takers....I wish I was surprised! |
In fairness this was banned because of potential violence, not for protests, we’ve literally had weekly anti-Israel protests in this country. The judge in Amsterdam who jailed 5 of the attackers of Maccabi fans even said they were antisemitic attacks based on the WhatsApp exchanges.
But UEFA have put everyone in an awkward position. If it were a Russian team I’m sure there would also be concerns around violence. I wouldn’t expect any country accused of war crimes and breaches of human rights to be allowed to participate in European competition. | | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:07 - Oct 17 with 537 views | DJR |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 08:16 - Oct 17 by Cheltenham_Blue |
It’s ok. Now the PM is involved, external police forces will be deployed.
Like The Met and SYP.
What could go wrong. |
I'm sure the IDF could sort it out.  |  | | |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:15 - Oct 17 with 495 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:07 - Oct 17 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
In fairness this was banned because of potential violence, not for protests, we’ve literally had weekly anti-Israel protests in this country. The judge in Amsterdam who jailed 5 of the attackers of Maccabi fans even said they were antisemitic attacks based on the WhatsApp exchanges.
But UEFA have put everyone in an awkward position. If it were a Russian team I’m sure there would also be concerns around violence. I wouldn’t expect any country accused of war crimes and breaches of human rights to be allowed to participate in European competition. |
Somebody needs to point out to Starmer that preventing Israeli football supporters from attending a match is not an act of antisemitism. | |
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| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:18 - Oct 17 with 472 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Aston Villa banning away fans..... on 09:15 - Oct 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Somebody needs to point out to Starmer that preventing Israeli football supporters from attending a match is not an act of antisemitism. |
Not a fan of Starmer, but he didn’t say the banning was antisemitic, he simply said “we will not tolerate antisemitism on our streets”.
Not sure many would argue with that. | | | |
| Yeah probably..... on 09:23 - Oct 17 with 445 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Yeah probably..... on 20:50 - Oct 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Funny enough, there weren't any attacks between fans. Ajax are know as the Spurs of the Netherlands with historical Jewish roots. Before the game the Maccabi and Ajax fans were partying together.
*ignore the nasty dog whistle in the post about Middle Eastern migrants. It's the only way I could post the video.
btw I didn't coin the phrase Jew Hunt". Those were the words used by the people coordinating the attacks against anyone who looked Jewish or were helping Jews when they were being attacked.
“jodenjacht” means Jew Hunt.
What seems to be missed or deliberately ignored in this is that the attacks against Jews were premeditated days before the game and not in response to the appalling behavior of some Maccabi fans.
There was no "Muslim hunt". Other than your post, that's the first time i've seen that phrase used to describe the behavior of the Maccabi fans. There were no charges against Maccabi fans for attacking "Muslims". There were prosecutions and convictions with regards to the people who organised and took part in the jodenjacht.
You seem determined to both sides that awful night, despite attacks on Jews in Amsterdam continuing in the days after the Maccabi fans had flown home.
To simplify, 1. Maccabi fans chanting anti-Arab songs and genocidal songs, ripping down Palestinian flags and engaging in hooliganism on match day is disgusting.
2. Pogroms to hunt Jews in the streets, throwing into canals, attempted stabbings, head-stamping organised days before match day, are far worse.
Surely you can see that 1) does not make 2) ok, and people should be able to admit that 2) is far worse and not use whatbouttery.
Anyway, that's me out. This was do to death at the time.
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You don’t need to convince me there were vile antisemitic attacks, I’m not some jihadist extremist or Nazi. The hit and run tactics in Amsterdam were awful; nobody’s denying that or downplaying the seriousness. The point made earlier in the thread was that there was also trouble caused by the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans. I’m sure I saw reports of them attacking taxi(s) suspected of containing/belonging to people looking like Arabs, but if that’s wrong I apologise.
I don’t like the politicisation of this. The decision was made by experts in security. I don’t see what gives Starmer, or Badenoch or Davey, the right to call them out. As I said, I don’t know where you draw the line in terms of acceptable risk. Maybe the council/police are being too cautious/heavy handed and that’s a valid discussion point imo. But if they’re acting on current intelligence as they say, who’s to say they aren’t aware of pre-meditated attacks here? I guess we’ll find out as I suspect the decision will be overturned. If it is, hopefully nothing happens. |  |
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| Yeah probably..... on 09:28 - Oct 17 with 389 views | Sharkey |
| Yeah probably..... on 20:50 - Oct 16 by GlasgowBlue |
Funny enough, there weren't any attacks between fans. Ajax are know as the Spurs of the Netherlands with historical Jewish roots. Before the game the Maccabi and Ajax fans were partying together.
*ignore the nasty dog whistle in the post about Middle Eastern migrants. It's the only way I could post the video.
btw I didn't coin the phrase Jew Hunt". Those were the words used by the people coordinating the attacks against anyone who looked Jewish or were helping Jews when they were being attacked.
“jodenjacht” means Jew Hunt.
What seems to be missed or deliberately ignored in this is that the attacks against Jews were premeditated days before the game and not in response to the appalling behavior of some Maccabi fans.
There was no "Muslim hunt". Other than your post, that's the first time i've seen that phrase used to describe the behavior of the Maccabi fans. There were no charges against Maccabi fans for attacking "Muslims". There were prosecutions and convictions with regards to the people who organised and took part in the jodenjacht.
You seem determined to both sides that awful night, despite attacks on Jews in Amsterdam continuing in the days after the Maccabi fans had flown home.
To simplify, 1. Maccabi fans chanting anti-Arab songs and genocidal songs, ripping down Palestinian flags and engaging in hooliganism on match day is disgusting.
2. Pogroms to hunt Jews in the streets, throwing into canals, attempted stabbings, head-stamping organised days before match day, are far worse.
Surely you can see that 1) does not make 2) ok, and people should be able to admit that 2) is far worse and not use whatbouttery.
Anyway, that's me out. This was do to death at the time.
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As you say at the top.
https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2024/11/jewish-history-behind-dutch- |  | | |
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