| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. 10:48 - Oct 22 with 3015 views | Bloots |
….to gauge opinion, not demanding change.
We are 10 games in and 5 points off the play offs.
If, come December, we are 20 games in and 10 points off the play offs, do we have to consider a change at the top?
If not when do we?
Or do we just think it will come good at some stage again? |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 10:50 - Oct 22 with 2088 views | homer_123 |
I'm not sure I can see many options that are better than the one we have. |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 10:50 - Oct 22 with 2087 views | DJR |
No to the first question. And I would be happy to stick with McKenna for as long as it takes. [Post edited 22 Oct 10:51]
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 10:51 - Oct 22 with 2061 views | ShortyBlue92 |
McK is coming across as clueless and predictable at present
His reluctance to make early changes is strange
Why not mix it up a bit and go 2 up top and a bit more direct when we are chasing a game ? |  | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 10:54 - Oct 22 with 2009 views | homer_123 |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 10:51 - Oct 22 by ShortyBlue92 |
McK is coming across as clueless and predictable at present
His reluctance to make early changes is strange
Why not mix it up a bit and go 2 up top and a bit more direct when we are chasing a game ? |
Given we should have had 1 if not 2 goals in the first half last night, gone in at HT 1 up against Boro, it's not the lack of creativity that is causing us an issue.
Being more clinical is key, that, in turn puts a little less pressure on the defence.
We shouldn't have been chasing the game last night, poor defending aside. | |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 10:56 - Oct 22 with 2011 views | Reuser_is_God |
I don’t want to even think of a world of ITFC with no McKenna.
It all depends on how much the ownership want promotion this season for me. I don’t think they’d be silly enough to pull the trigger on him though & id imagine they’d still see him as the man to get us up next season, if this season plays out how you suggest it might. |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 10:57 - Oct 22 with 1978 views | ShortyBlue92 |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 10:54 - Oct 22 by homer_123 |
Given we should have had 1 if not 2 goals in the first half last night, gone in at HT 1 up against Boro, it's not the lack of creativity that is causing us an issue.
Being more clinical is key, that, in turn puts a little less pressure on the defence.
We shouldn't have been chasing the game last night, poor defending aside. |
Which leads us nicely into the recruitment discussion
Going into this season with Hirst as our first choice 9, was a massive fck up
He isn’t good enough | | | |
| I don’t think…. on 11:00 - Oct 22 with 1947 views | Bloots |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 10:56 - Oct 22 by Reuser_is_God |
I don’t want to even think of a world of ITFC with no McKenna.
It all depends on how much the ownership want promotion this season for me. I don’t think they’d be silly enough to pull the trigger on him though & id imagine they’d still see him as the man to get us up next season, if this season plays out how you suggest it might. |
….it will play out like that, I’m confident he’ll get it right and we’ll be up there sooner rather than later.
But I’m interested to see where people think the tipping point is, or even if there is one.
On the wider point re the owners, my only concern is that they are (real) fans, so they won’t see things the same way we do. There’s a lot of investment there….would they be prepared to see it just drift for the next few months?
I’m not too sure. | |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:04 - Oct 22 with 1903 views | JammyDodgerrr |
I think if we are only ten points off the play offs, we don't make a change. A run of wins(which we've done twice under McKenna) would bring us there.
If we've closer to 20 points off it, I think they will have no choice to make a change, unfortunately. That said, I don't really know who we would bring in.
There aren't a lot of genuinely good options out there. |  |
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| I don’t think…. on 11:05 - Oct 22 with 1890 views | Reuser_is_God |
| I don’t think…. on 11:00 - Oct 22 by Bloots |
….it will play out like that, I’m confident he’ll get it right and we’ll be up there sooner rather than later.
But I’m interested to see where people think the tipping point is, or even if there is one.
On the wider point re the owners, my only concern is that they are (real) fans, so they won’t see things the same way we do. There’s a lot of investment there….would they be prepared to see it just drift for the next few months?
I’m not too sure. |
That was kind of my point.
I think the fanbase (us sensible ones anyway) will have a very different tipping point to that of the owners. Do they make a footballing decision or a financial one? [Post edited 22 Oct 11:06]
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| Yep, that’s the…. on 11:07 - Oct 22 with 1855 views | Bloots |
| I don’t think…. on 11:05 - Oct 22 by Reuser_is_God |
That was kind of my point.
I think the fanbase (us sensible ones anyway) will have a very different tipping point to that of the owners. Do they make a footballing decision or a financial one? [Post edited 22 Oct 11:06]
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:09 - Oct 22 with 1812 views | darkhorse28 |
We’ve already missed some huge talents, who are light years ahead of KM and would cost far less (not accounting for what will be an eye watering pay off).
McKenna will regret ‘playing’ us to leverage champions league level wages.., he’s obviously miles off that level; and it was always a sign he’s not elite.
People who believe they’re going to the very top, don’t need to leverage short term deals to be way over paid, why would they.
He’s sawn himself off the log.
For his pay .., there are literally thousands of better options!!
The bigger issue isn’t McKenna, it’s Ashton.., I’d have zero faith in a 35 year slow motion ‘elite’ failure to get it right…, none.
If Ptemier League is the objective, Ashton is the problem not the solution.., we really have just thrown the keys to the Ferrari to Ashton, and that’s poor decision making from the very top. | | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:11 - Oct 22 with 1814 views | Guthrum |
The only reason to get rid of McKenna is if there is someone else (available and willing to come) who can do the job better.
I'm not convinced there is any obvious candidate at the moment.
Expecting Ashton to pull another brilliant unknown out of the hat again is a very big ask. Not saying he couldn't do it, but they aren't very many of them and it's always taking a big chance (more so in promotion-aspiring Champ than mid-table L1).
Plus it would not be the new man's squad, or set up and drilled how they want to play. It may take time to turn fortunes around, possibly beyond the end of this season. |  |
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| Just for clarity…. on 11:11 - Oct 22 with 1812 views | Bloots |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:09 - Oct 22 by darkhorse28 |
We’ve already missed some huge talents, who are light years ahead of KM and would cost far less (not accounting for what will be an eye watering pay off).
McKenna will regret ‘playing’ us to leverage champions league level wages.., he’s obviously miles off that level; and it was always a sign he’s not elite.
People who believe they’re going to the very top, don’t need to leverage short term deals to be way over paid, why would they.
He’s sawn himself off the log.
For his pay .., there are literally thousands of better options!!
The bigger issue isn’t McKenna, it’s Ashton.., I’d have zero faith in a 35 year slow motion ‘elite’ failure to get it right…, none.
If Ptemier League is the objective, Ashton is the problem not the solution.., we really have just thrown the keys to the Ferrari to Ashton, and that’s poor decision making from the very top. |
….I wasn't asking you.
I was asking literally everyone, other than you.
I have no interest in your thoughts.
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:12 - Oct 22 with 1798 views | gainsboroughblue |
I'd be more confident if we knew what the plan actually was. I know, as fans, we aren't going to be privvy to everything but talking about the money we have spent, have we bled the budget/allowance dry and KMc has to now work with what we've got? Are the board/club happy with not going up this year and 'doing a Leeds' next year and going up with the second year of parachute payments? Is there still money available? Have we got names and faces lined up? An idea? A strategy? A plan? Or more square pegs in round holes and still no new number 9 to show for it. Ashton is very happy to front the camera when things are going swimmingly but the silence is deafening right now.
We are a 3 or 4 match winning streak away from storming into the top 3 or 4 but also the current status quo continuing away from being cut adrift. What happens in the January window is very dependent on what happens in the next 8 weeks.
I'm not McK out at all. I love the guy and we are still 'ahead of the game' in terms of what the vision was but we are in danger of wasting the head start we have given ourselves and may as well have burned money for some of the good we've used it for with lopsided recruitment. There seems to have been a breakdown in leadership on the field and so far, the Sheff U and Norwich games have been the outliers this season and not the norm, which is worrying.
And if we are in the Championship next season, its looking likely there won't be a hopeless set of clubs like Leicester and Southampton dropping down either. A golden opportunity to make Leicester's (incoming) points deduction for instance count is not being taken advantage of. We could be 11 points off the top two tonight (albeit with a game in hand) and Coventry don't seem to be letting up at the moment either. |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:13 - Oct 22 with 1781 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
We aint getting better than Mckenna. |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:17 - Oct 22 with 1752 views | Dubtractor |
In the scenario you've illustrated, I strongly suspect a change will be made.
That would mean a hugely disappointing first half of the season. |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:18 - Oct 22 with 1741 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:12 - Oct 22 by gainsboroughblue |
I'd be more confident if we knew what the plan actually was. I know, as fans, we aren't going to be privvy to everything but talking about the money we have spent, have we bled the budget/allowance dry and KMc has to now work with what we've got? Are the board/club happy with not going up this year and 'doing a Leeds' next year and going up with the second year of parachute payments? Is there still money available? Have we got names and faces lined up? An idea? A strategy? A plan? Or more square pegs in round holes and still no new number 9 to show for it. Ashton is very happy to front the camera when things are going swimmingly but the silence is deafening right now.
We are a 3 or 4 match winning streak away from storming into the top 3 or 4 but also the current status quo continuing away from being cut adrift. What happens in the January window is very dependent on what happens in the next 8 weeks.
I'm not McK out at all. I love the guy and we are still 'ahead of the game' in terms of what the vision was but we are in danger of wasting the head start we have given ourselves and may as well have burned money for some of the good we've used it for with lopsided recruitment. There seems to have been a breakdown in leadership on the field and so far, the Sheff U and Norwich games have been the outliers this season and not the norm, which is worrying.
And if we are in the Championship next season, its looking likely there won't be a hopeless set of clubs like Leicester and Southampton dropping down either. A golden opportunity to make Leicester's (incoming) points deduction for instance count is not being taken advantage of. We could be 11 points off the top two tonight (albeit with a game in hand) and Coventry don't seem to be letting up at the moment either. |
I agree with the golden opportunity (I hadn’t thought of next year’s relegation teams being stronger and established so that’s a good point).
From my perspective, promotion is only going to get harder each year, as there will be an attrition of the best players either because PL teams come knocking (particularly promoted ones), and to balance the books. If the likes of Jaden or Egili have a great season they’ll be off in the summer. We’ve not proven effective in replacing players like Brentford and Brighton. The attrition of losing quality players each year is essentially where Norwich now find themselves (and other teams whose parachute payments have run out).
We need to give it a damn good go this season. | | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:18 - Oct 22 with 1733 views | MattinLondon |
If we approach Christmas and we’re ten points off the playoffs I fully expect KM to be sacked. Hopefully that’ll never happen. |  | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:19 - Oct 22 with 1717 views | Guthrum |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 10:57 - Oct 22 by ShortyBlue92 |
Which leads us nicely into the recruitment discussion
Going into this season with Hirst as our first choice 9, was a massive fck up
He isn’t good enough |
However, it's not just Hirst. Azon, Akpom, Szmodics - all men who know how to score - McAteer, Cajuste, Nunez. They are all finding it difficult to hit the target. Masses of shots went high and/or wide last night. Our best marksmen, Philogene and Clarke, simply aren't finding any space to thread their speciality box-edge shots through.
What we need is under-stress shooting practice. Perhaps a specialist coach who can deal with the psychological side of it as well. | |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:23 - Oct 22 with 1691 views | LankHenners |
Think McKenna's earned the right to get this group to at least somewhere near where he got the previous one and think the ownership will feel the same way.
Difficult to say as, outside of the very top, the Championship tends to stay pretty tight for most of the season before the run-in starts to sort the wheat from the chaff. Maybe if we look well off the playoffs (which is scraping the minimum expectations anyway) come about February the ownership will think about it fairly seriously but then you open the question of how you approach replacing him. Whoever the available 'promotion firefighter' (for want of a better phrase) is at the time? A more 'long term' option who may lack the experience to do much about a failing season?
The other problem (which I guess is relevant to lots of managers who end up in tricky situations) is that while there are things wrong which fall under McKenna's remit, he shouldn't really be carrying the can if he's not wholly responsible for recruitment which imo is a significant part of how we've ended up here. Will a new man come in and find it tough to get enough out of a talented but unbalanced squad who seem to lack a real desire to get the basics right?
What a shame it's come to this so quickly. |  |
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| I don’t think…. on 11:23 - Oct 22 with 1691 views | Steve_M |
| I don’t think…. on 11:00 - Oct 22 by Bloots |
….it will play out like that, I’m confident he’ll get it right and we’ll be up there sooner rather than later.
But I’m interested to see where people think the tipping point is, or even if there is one.
On the wider point re the owners, my only concern is that they are (real) fans, so they won’t see things the same way we do. There’s a lot of investment there….would they be prepared to see it just drift for the next few months?
I’m not too sure. |
It kind of depends how we get there, a Jewellesque run of defeats like last night then an improvement looks a long way off. If we are playing better, coming out of the odd game the wrong side of a goal or two then it's a bit different.
There's always the possibility Ashton makes a change to avoid scrutiny falling his way too.... |  |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:24 - Oct 22 with 1668 views | DJR |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:19 - Oct 22 by Guthrum |
However, it's not just Hirst. Azon, Akpom, Szmodics - all men who know how to score - McAteer, Cajuste, Nunez. They are all finding it difficult to hit the target. Masses of shots went high and/or wide last night. Our best marksmen, Philogene and Clarke, simply aren't finding any space to thread their speciality box-edge shots through.
What we need is under-stress shooting practice. Perhaps a specialist coach who can deal with the psychological side of it as well. |
I think it's also down to the fact that most (if not all) the teams we have played have been set up to stop us with plenty of players behind the ball, and have to a large degree relied on counter-attacks. In some ways, it's a reversal of the last Championship season where counter-attacking on our part played a large part.
I suppose its down to our differing reputations in the respective seasons, and we need to find a way to overcome this but it ain't easy in this division if, say, every time he gets the ball Philogene has two or more players on him, as he had last night. [Post edited 22 Oct 11:29]
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:25 - Oct 22 with 1650 views | Rozz |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:04 - Oct 22 by JammyDodgerrr |
I think if we are only ten points off the play offs, we don't make a change. A run of wins(which we've done twice under McKenna) would bring us there.
If we've closer to 20 points off it, I think they will have no choice to make a change, unfortunately. That said, I don't really know who we would bring in.
There aren't a lot of genuinely good options out there. |
Eh? If you're 20pts off the top 6 at the turn of the year you're overwhelmingly likely to be in the bottom 3. I would hope it wouldn't come to that! |  | | |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:29 - Oct 22 with 1587 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:09 - Oct 22 by darkhorse28 |
We’ve already missed some huge talents, who are light years ahead of KM and would cost far less (not accounting for what will be an eye watering pay off).
McKenna will regret ‘playing’ us to leverage champions league level wages.., he’s obviously miles off that level; and it was always a sign he’s not elite.
People who believe they’re going to the very top, don’t need to leverage short term deals to be way over paid, why would they.
He’s sawn himself off the log.
For his pay .., there are literally thousands of better options!!
The bigger issue isn’t McKenna, it’s Ashton.., I’d have zero faith in a 35 year slow motion ‘elite’ failure to get it right…, none.
If Ptemier League is the objective, Ashton is the problem not the solution.., we really have just thrown the keys to the Ferrari to Ashton, and that’s poor decision making from the very top. |
Incredible to post that we've missed huge talents but not list any of them. Please, enlighten us. | |
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| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:31 - Oct 22 with 1568 views | djgooder |
| Hypothetical “manager change” question….. on 11:04 - Oct 22 by JammyDodgerrr |
I think if we are only ten points off the play offs, we don't make a change. A run of wins(which we've done twice under McKenna) would bring us there.
If we've closer to 20 points off it, I think they will have no choice to make a change, unfortunately. That said, I don't really know who we would bring in.
There aren't a lot of genuinely good options out there. |
Not that I’d want a change at all, I’d stick with McKenna for quite some time.
But I’d never heard of McKenna before he joined us. I can only hope if things don’t get better we’d bring in someone similar that we currently don’t know but has a good ‘pedigree’. I’d hate someone like a Dyche. |  | | |
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