| The BBC Director General resigning 13:09 - Nov 10 with 4069 views | Illinoisblue |
Due, in part, to a Panorama episode editing/doctoring something Trump said to make him look bad. As if there aren’t literally THOUSANDS of actual real examples of him speaking and behaving like a c**t. |  |
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| The BBC Director General resigning on 10:10 - Nov 11 with 1084 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 21:42 - Nov 10 by PhilTWTD |
I think it's naive to believe that Trump's speech wasn't to some degree a call to arms, so to speak. Indeed, I think a lot of those who ended up in court charged with offences relating to January 6th said they took it as that. I presume the intention of the ill-judged edit was to give a snapshot of the overall intention of the speech. |
A grand jury took it that way too, given they indicted Trump over it (and other misdemeanours against the state). One of the largest miscarriages of justice in recent years is that he never got to face trial over it. A lot of legal bods believe the evidence was sufficient for a conviction.
Anyway, it’s hardly a first for the Telegraph to be targeting the BBC. They led the media attacks this time last year over it’s position on Israel/Gaza (which were fabricated of course - https://www.mediareform.org.uk/blog/bbc-bias-gaza-asserson-report#intro).
It’s a shame the BBC capitulates so easily. They do need to change; not the break up and sell off that the right wingers want to see, but maybe they need to be fully independent and not have government appointments. And be more transparent (e.g. there have been some calls for board meeting minutes to be made available, which sounds reasonable given the amount of public money put their way). |  |
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| The BBC Director General resigning on 10:27 - Nov 11 with 1047 views | lowhouseblue |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 23:47 - Nov 10 by reusersfreekicks |
It really doesn't take much nous to see who wants the bbc to fail. |
again, there are certainly people who have it in for the bbc. but the answer to that isn't to pretend there isn't an issue with impartiality when there clearly is. the defence of the bbc has to be its excellence and its credibility - it will only achieve those things if it is challenged when it falls short. i am a huge fan of the bbc but the stuff that has been reported is bad and its management chose to turn a blind eye. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The BBC Director General resigning on 16:56 - Nov 11 with 941 views | Benters |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 19:50 - Nov 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Have edited. Would be grateful for you view after seeing the context of both parts of the speech and the full transcript.
Personally I don't see how anyone can come to any other conclusion than the clips were edited to mislead. |
This.
Of course it was. [Post edited 11 Nov 16:58]
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| The BBC Director General resigning on 17:16 - Nov 11 with 926 views | BlueNomad |
I think Jack Smith is planning to produce the evidence of Trump’s incitement that got dumped in January at his own ridiculous trial. That might well undermine Trump’s legal action. |  | | |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 17:59 - Nov 11 with 889 views | reusersfreekicks |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 10:27 - Nov 11 by lowhouseblue |
again, there are certainly people who have it in for the bbc. but the answer to that isn't to pretend there isn't an issue with impartiality when there clearly is. the defence of the bbc has to be its excellence and its credibility - it will only achieve those things if it is challenged when it falls short. i am a huge fan of the bbc but the stuff that has been reported is bad and its management chose to turn a blind eye. |
Systemic bias though?? |  | | |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 18:12 - Nov 11 with 862 views | lowhouseblue |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 17:59 - Nov 11 by reusersfreekicks |
Systemic bias though?? |
the report points to that on some topics. for me the bbc is more trustworthy and has higher journalistic standards than any other media outlet. but being publicly funded and being a national broadcaster is has also to expect to be held to higher standards than any other. the expectation of impartiality has to be absolute and when it falls short public scrutiny, challenge and criticism is right and proper. the bbc ought to take the criticism seriously and take action - not make excuses and blame other people.
i've previously posted that the problem the bbc has is that while its senior managers and senior journalists have an real commitment to impartiality, at a lower level amongst researchers and junior journalists there is zero diversity of opinion. they all share the same world view and the same politics and there is no variation in political stance. you end up with a bubble in which impartiality is not understood or valued because everyone there shares one single uniform unquestionable 'truth'. the management seem afraid to challenge the lower levels of staff - which is why their response to this has focused on internal comms to tell their staff how wonderful they are rather than external comms to tell the public what they will do to put things right. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The BBC Director General resigning on 18:33 - Nov 11 with 829 views | vapour_trail |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 18:12 - Nov 11 by lowhouseblue |
the report points to that on some topics. for me the bbc is more trustworthy and has higher journalistic standards than any other media outlet. but being publicly funded and being a national broadcaster is has also to expect to be held to higher standards than any other. the expectation of impartiality has to be absolute and when it falls short public scrutiny, challenge and criticism is right and proper. the bbc ought to take the criticism seriously and take action - not make excuses and blame other people.
i've previously posted that the problem the bbc has is that while its senior managers and senior journalists have an real commitment to impartiality, at a lower level amongst researchers and junior journalists there is zero diversity of opinion. they all share the same world view and the same politics and there is no variation in political stance. you end up with a bubble in which impartiality is not understood or valued because everyone there shares one single uniform unquestionable 'truth'. the management seem afraid to challenge the lower levels of staff - which is why their response to this has focused on internal comms to tell their staff how wonderful they are rather than external comms to tell the public what they will do to put things right. |
Repeatedly posting the same opinion doesn’t make it fact.
Will you evidence your second paragraph. |  |
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| The BBC Director General resigning on 18:34 - Nov 11 with 829 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 17:16 - Nov 11 by BlueNomad |
I think Jack Smith is planning to produce the evidence of Trump’s incitement that got dumped in January at his own ridiculous trial. That might well undermine Trump’s legal action. |
There’s no doubt about Trump’s actions (or rather the evidence is overwhelming, as there’s always uncertainty around how any trial would go). He was charged with four criminal counts of basically perverting democracy (I can’t remember the precise terms, but they involved defrauding the state and undermining democracy through trying to overturn the election result, spreading lies and also were related to the attacks on the Capitol). I’d be very surprised if he could go after the BBC for defamation as that also would require the evidence from his shelved cases to be re-visited much like if Jack Smith raises it again. So that’s a threat he can’t afford to follow through on.
I don’t know what charge Trump could bring that would be successful, but he can afford the best lawyers. On the other hand, he’s effectively taking on the UK, so I hope the Beeb with the Government’s backing tell him to do one. I’ve not got a lot of hope there as neither the Beeb nor Starmer appear to have a spine.
Presumably Trump’s going to try and bully the BBC into paying up something as he’s got the financial clout to take them on. And they have screwed up by misleading people even if that part doesn’t change the overall message. We do need the BBC to be accurate and clear in its news reporting. It’s the most trusted news network in the UK, possibly internationally. And that’s really important in this time of genuinely biased client journalism and lobbying (which explains the attacks from competitors of course and why they’re using their attack dogs on social media to turn the public against the BBC). | |
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| The BBC Director General resigning on 18:45 - Nov 11 with 813 views | reusersfreekicks |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 18:12 - Nov 11 by lowhouseblue |
the report points to that on some topics. for me the bbc is more trustworthy and has higher journalistic standards than any other media outlet. but being publicly funded and being a national broadcaster is has also to expect to be held to higher standards than any other. the expectation of impartiality has to be absolute and when it falls short public scrutiny, challenge and criticism is right and proper. the bbc ought to take the criticism seriously and take action - not make excuses and blame other people.
i've previously posted that the problem the bbc has is that while its senior managers and senior journalists have an real commitment to impartiality, at a lower level amongst researchers and junior journalists there is zero diversity of opinion. they all share the same world view and the same politics and there is no variation in political stance. you end up with a bubble in which impartiality is not understood or valued because everyone there shares one single uniform unquestionable 'truth'. the management seem afraid to challenge the lower levels of staff - which is why their response to this has focused on internal comms to tell their staff how wonderful they are rather than external comms to tell the public what they will do to put things right. |
What inside knowledge do you base that second paragraph on?
Presume you think they are all screaming lefties?
That's why Reform have had a ridiculous amount of coverage for ages now.
And their general coverage of Gaza, (not seen any BBC Arabic channel) seemed pretty safe and reluctant to call out the Israeli extremists.
I know you will think I am biased but the whole thing stinks of a r wing stitch up culminating in the Trump threats. A man who lies almost every time he speaks and makes stuff up about people/organisations he doesn't like with impunity.
The BBC will be missed when it's gone and we get stuck with fox news uk.
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| The BBC Director General resigning on 18:57 - Nov 11 with 784 views | lowhouseblue |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 18:45 - Nov 11 by reusersfreekicks |
What inside knowledge do you base that second paragraph on?
Presume you think they are all screaming lefties?
That's why Reform have had a ridiculous amount of coverage for ages now.
And their general coverage of Gaza, (not seen any BBC Arabic channel) seemed pretty safe and reluctant to call out the Israeli extremists.
I know you will think I am biased but the whole thing stinks of a r wing stitch up culminating in the Trump threats. A man who lies almost every time he speaks and makes stuff up about people/organisations he doesn't like with impunity.
The BBC will be missed when it's gone and we get stuck with fox news uk.
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we should treasure the bbc. its best chance of prospering lies in maintaining public trust, being seen as obsessively impartial and being open to criticism.
i've known lots of people who have worked there in grad roles and there is next to no diversity of political opinion. maintaining impartiality when every one shares the same world view is difficult. | |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| The BBC Director General resigning on 21:29 - Nov 11 with 646 views | reusersfreekicks |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 18:57 - Nov 11 by lowhouseblue |
we should treasure the bbc. its best chance of prospering lies in maintaining public trust, being seen as obsessively impartial and being open to criticism.
i've known lots of people who have worked there in grad roles and there is next to no diversity of political opinion. maintaining impartiality when every one shares the same world view is difficult. |
I hardly think that is enough for your broad sweeping statements regarding the thousands of people who work there. | | | |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 21:42 - Nov 11 with 638 views | vapour_trail |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 21:29 - Nov 11 by reusersfreekicks |
I hardly think that is enough for your broad sweeping statements regarding the thousands of people who work there. |
He’s claimed to have definite and detailed info on the whole culture of the bbc as well as their internal comms strategy over the past week in response to this story.
Because, you know, he has known some grads that have worked there.
You’re not suggesting that it’s complete bullshit surely? | |
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| The BBC Director General resigning on 13:28 - Nov 12 with 470 views | Radlett_blue |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 20:32 - Nov 11 by Ryorry |
"The real error was that, when this was discovered, the BBC executives didn't immediately hold their hands up & say "we messed up".
Very much that, but the reason for it, according to a R5l discussion with contributor & former BBC senior staffer Roger Bolton (just before the Lisa Nandy statement in the HoC for anyone wanting to hear it) was that R. Gibb has so split the BBC Board that they were unable to come to any decision & therefore did/said nothing  |
That's interesting & quite possibly true and if so, evidence of a fatally flawed management. |  |
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| The BBC Director General resigning on 18:51 - Nov 12 with 398 views | DJR |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 13:28 - Nov 12 by Radlett_blue |
That's interesting & quite possibly true and if so, evidence of a fatally flawed management. |
That has been reported in at least newspaper reports, and in the Newsagents' podcast: Jon Sopel and Emily Maitliss having close links to those in the know still inside the BBC. |  | | |
| The BBC Director General resigning on 19:10 - Nov 13 with 292 views | GlasgowBlue |
Here we go again
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