| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: 17:42 - Nov 19 with 1675 views | Zx1988 |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gwgdyl52lo
Can't fault his intention, especially as he seems to be part of the group of 'proper' Labour MPs, and I'd have thought there must be something to the Burnham talk if he's saying this sort of thing publicly.
Not sure of the wisdom of a by-election to try and get a stalking horse into parliament, though. Granted Norwich South is probably a safer bet than other seats, but Reform would no doubt be licking their lips at an opportunity like this. |  |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 17:53 - Nov 19 with 1601 views | Zx1988 |
That said, maybe it's not Reform he'd need to worry about:
It'd be interesting to see if such a potential vote share would change, if the election essentially became about getting a decent challenger to Starmer into parliament. | |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 18:10 - Nov 19 with 1535 views | J2BLUE |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 17:53 - Nov 19 by Zx1988 |
That said, maybe it's not Reform he'd need to worry about:
It'd be interesting to see if such a potential vote share would change, if the election essentially became about getting a decent challenger to Starmer into parliament. |
Oddly, in the short term, a green party victory would likely be a decent outcomes for all those listed.
For Labour, it would stop the plot
For Reform and Tories it keeps Starmer in power which gives them the best chance of power/a coalition at the next election
Lib Dems nowhere near so would be happy with Greens
Greens would get to pretend it was the start of the revolution |  |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 18:16 - Nov 19 with 1511 views | giant_stow |
I agree with Streeting:
"I think it's a bit of a peculiar thing for Clive to have said to his own constituents, 'Oh, well, I'm not interested in being your MP, I'm happy to do a deal with someone'.
"I would just say from personal experience, don't take your voters for granted." |  |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 18:20 - Nov 19 with 1489 views | mellowblue |
Some how I bet he doesn't give up his seat. Why jump off the gravy train. | | | |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 18:27 - Nov 19 with 1454 views | Wacko |
How would it even work? The Labour Party would have to nominate a candidate and surely there’s no chance Starmer et al. would choose Burnham | |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 18:55 - Nov 19 with 1379 views | Guthrum |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 18:27 - Nov 19 by Wacko |
How would it even work? The Labour Party would have to nominate a candidate and surely there’s no chance Starmer et al. would choose Burnham |
But how would it play with the membership - let alone Labour's opponents - if they openly block Burnham? It would be a terrible admission of weakness, basically conceding that Starmer would fall at the first push.
Particularly if the local party at constituency level decide they want him. |  |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:13 - Nov 19 with 1329 views | Wacko |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 18:55 - Nov 19 by Guthrum |
But how would it play with the membership - let alone Labour's opponents - if they openly block Burnham? It would be a terrible admission of weakness, basically conceding that Starmer would fall at the first push.
Particularly if the local party at constituency level decide they want him. |
I don't actually know how nominations work but there'll probably be a roster of potential MPs and perhaps a waiting list? | |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:43 - Nov 19 with 1211 views | Guthrum |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:13 - Nov 19 by Wacko |
I don't actually know how nominations work but there'll probably be a roster of potential MPs and perhaps a waiting list? |
There will probably be lists of people the constituency wants and lists of "suitable" candidates. Notionally, it's the local party who selects, but head office can - and increasingly does - put forward their own preferred choice.
Can Starmer afford to upset one of the leading and most popular members of the Labour Party? | |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:46 - Nov 19 with 1203 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 17:53 - Nov 19 by Zx1988 |
That said, maybe it's not Reform he'd need to worry about:
It'd be interesting to see if such a potential vote share would change, if the election essentially became about getting a decent challenger to Starmer into parliament. |
I think that would be the key thing. If Burnham was standing as a candidate to replace Starmer, that data changes a lot, I am sure. Aside from that, not at all surprised to see that region favouring Green over Farage. |  |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:53 - Nov 19 with 1178 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 18:16 - Nov 19 by giant_stow |
I agree with Streeting:
"I think it's a bit of a peculiar thing for Clive to have said to his own constituents, 'Oh, well, I'm not interested in being your MP, I'm happy to do a deal with someone'.
"I would just say from personal experience, don't take your voters for granted." |
I feel a bit dirty saying so, but yes I think I agree with Streeting too. As much as I’d like a better government, giving away your seat is a big two fingers up to anyone who voted for him. On the other hand, maybe there’s an argument that Lewis’ voters wanted real Labour (hence voting for Lewis) and they’d be fully supportive if this got Starmer out of Downing Street. Couched in those terms it’s not so anti-democratic. |  |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:56 - Nov 19 with 1161 views | Wacko |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:43 - Nov 19 by Guthrum |
There will probably be lists of people the constituency wants and lists of "suitable" candidates. Notionally, it's the local party who selects, but head office can - and increasingly does - put forward their own preferred choice.
Can Starmer afford to upset one of the leading and most popular members of the Labour Party? |
But also would the Scum Labour Party really want a guy from Manchester representing them with clear ulterior motives? | |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:59 - Nov 19 with 1147 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:53 - Nov 19 by Swansea_Blue |
I feel a bit dirty saying so, but yes I think I agree with Streeting too. As much as I’d like a better government, giving away your seat is a big two fingers up to anyone who voted for him. On the other hand, maybe there’s an argument that Lewis’ voters wanted real Labour (hence voting for Lewis) and they’d be fully supportive if this got Starmer out of Downing Street. Couched in those terms it’s not so anti-democratic. |
By standing down it triggers a by-election so wouldn't be at all undemocratic. It is when the party changes leader for a new PM that it could be considered undemocratic but technically the electorate are voting for an MP to represent their region rather than a party for government. I am sure the impact of our vote on the likely PM plays a lot on most voters' minds, though. | |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 20:07 - Nov 19 with 1122 views | Guthrum |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:56 - Nov 19 by Wacko |
But also would the Scum Labour Party really want a guy from Manchester representing them with clear ulterior motives? |
Why not? Many MPs aren't from the area they represent. As for the ulterior motives, they are leading a successful Labour Party - doubt would object to that. | |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 20:20 - Nov 19 with 1066 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:59 - Nov 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
By standing down it triggers a by-election so wouldn't be at all undemocratic. It is when the party changes leader for a new PM that it could be considered undemocratic but technically the electorate are voting for an MP to represent their region rather than a party for government. I am sure the impact of our vote on the likely PM plays a lot on most voters' minds, though. |
So it’s just a gamble on whether Burnham would win, which can obviously backfire (aka as The May Gambit)? It looks like a bit of a risk given the Green’s polling, but AJ wonder how much of that is Greens v Starmer as opposed to Greens v Real Labour. | |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 22:53 - Nov 19 with 860 views | Zx1988 |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:13 - Nov 19 by Wacko |
I don't actually know how nominations work but there'll probably be a roster of potential MPs and perhaps a waiting list? |
I see that Burnham is 'Labour and Co-Operative Party' rather than just plain Labour.
Would that have any bearing on his chances of selection, especially if a Labour/Co-Op MP stood aside with the hope of allowing him to run in their place in a by-election? | |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 23:05 - Nov 19 with 841 views | Whos_blue |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 19:56 - Nov 19 by Wacko |
But also would the Scum Labour Party really want a guy from Manchester representing them with clear ulterior motives? |
Like the residents of Clacton you mean? |  |
| Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness. |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 10:49 - Nov 20 with 608 views | mellowblue |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 22:53 - Nov 19 by Zx1988 |
I see that Burnham is 'Labour and Co-Operative Party' rather than just plain Labour.
Would that have any bearing on his chances of selection, especially if a Labour/Co-Op MP stood aside with the hope of allowing him to run in their place in a by-election? |
I think they only use the Labour and Co-op moniker in areas where both are active, originally so as not to stand against eachother in elections. I doubt it would be relevant in Norwich. The Co-operative movement was strong in places like Manchester and the usage nowadays is more symbolic than anything as the Co-operative Party are not a political force, bearing in mind that they can only raise a candidate if Labour is not standing which does not happen. 43 mps have the Labour and Co-op representation and I have never heard of it being a block to higher office. | | | |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 11:10 - Nov 20 with 572 views | Zx1988 |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 10:49 - Nov 20 by mellowblue |
I think they only use the Labour and Co-op moniker in areas where both are active, originally so as not to stand against eachother in elections. I doubt it would be relevant in Norwich. The Co-operative movement was strong in places like Manchester and the usage nowadays is more symbolic than anything as the Co-operative Party are not a political force, bearing in mind that they can only raise a candidate if Labour is not standing which does not happen. 43 mps have the Labour and Co-op representation and I have never heard of it being a block to higher office. |
Oh, no, I was thinking the other way - whether any input from the Co-Op might help Burnham, rather than a pure Labour situation where they'd have a lot more power to just parachute in their chosen candidate.
As for geographic reach, I saw that Alice Mcdonald in Norwich North is a Labour/Co-Op MP, so not sure how that came about. | |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 11:14 - Nov 20 with 566 views | positivity |
would show he's prepared to put the country first ahead of his own comfort.
is moving to norwich the ultimate sacrifice? | |
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| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 15:32 - Nov 20 with 403 views | The_Major |
Hello, Norwich South constituent here, and like was pointed out above, if there was a by election today, the Greens would romp home.
As we've said before, Nodge itself is a pretty progressive place - the City Council has zero Tories or Reform on it, and has been Green controlled in previous years. Norwich South takes in the UEA and City College, as well as the Golden Triangle, so if Lewis were to quit, it would be by no means certain that even Burnham could win the seat at the minute. |  | | |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 15:50 - Nov 20 with 376 views | Blueschev |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 18:16 - Nov 19 by giant_stow |
I agree with Streeting:
"I think it's a bit of a peculiar thing for Clive to have said to his own constituents, 'Oh, well, I'm not interested in being your MP, I'm happy to do a deal with someone'.
"I would just say from personal experience, don't take your voters for granted." |
I never thought I'd say this but I also agree with Streeting. It really does irk me how constituencies are often used as little more than a means to an end by politicians. Another quirk of our so called democratic system. |  | | |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 16:06 - Nov 20 with 352 views | itfc_bucks |
| Clive Lewis has stuck his head above the parapet: on 18:10 - Nov 19 by J2BLUE |
Oddly, in the short term, a green party victory would likely be a decent outcomes for all those listed.
For Labour, it would stop the plot
For Reform and Tories it keeps Starmer in power which gives them the best chance of power/a coalition at the next election
Lib Dems nowhere near so would be happy with Greens
Greens would get to pretend it was the start of the revolution |
I simply cannot envisage a Tory/Reform coalition.
Despite being notionally aligned on the political spectrum, their grassroots have a pathological hatred for each other. | |
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