| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing 23:19 - Nov 29 with 773 views | kizaitfc |
We looked our strongest during our last championship campaign when we finally released Wolfenden and Burgess were the solid pair. It didn't necessarily mean they were the best CBs at the club many would argue Edmundson and Tuanzabee were individually better center halves but playing a consistent pair gave stability and cohesion.
I don't really care who is better between Kipre or Greaves I think both have strengths and weaknesses but just stick with one and allow a partnership to form not just with Oshea but also the Davis and the midfield.
The way we play we need to have a common rhythm in the CBs and feel we lost that last night compared to what we had against Hull |  |
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| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 00:13 - Nov 30 with 693 views | bournemouthblue |
I guarantee we will concede less than that promotion season, we weren't all that at the back but it didn't matter because we outscored most teams
It's going forward where the problems lie, for me it's not the ability of players but really the balance and we lack extremes which would make us so more dangerous, be it size, power or heading abiity
We are a fairly lightweight side aerially going forward and don't have the pace to stretch sides that we had with Burns in the side, Burns was very important to opening sides up |  |
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| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 00:40 - Nov 30 with 643 views | redrickstuhaart |
| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 00:13 - Nov 30 by bournemouthblue |
I guarantee we will concede less than that promotion season, we weren't all that at the back but it didn't matter because we outscored most teams
It's going forward where the problems lie, for me it's not the ability of players but really the balance and we lack extremes which would make us so more dangerous, be it size, power or heading abiity
We are a fairly lightweight side aerially going forward and don't have the pace to stretch sides that we had with Burns in the side, Burns was very important to opening sides up |
Speed (why must we keep saying pace which does not necessarily entail speed!?) is something we really lack. Our key ball carriers can beat a man but not stay ahead of them, so they always cut back. Our key strikers do not have the speed to get in behind consistently, so defenders can play tight to them without fear. A properly fast player or two in those positions, changes a lot. Defenders step off, spaces open and runs are more dangerous. No one across our front 4 is genuinely fast. | | | |
| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 01:09 - Nov 30 with 600 views | kizaitfc |
| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 00:13 - Nov 30 by bournemouthblue |
I guarantee we will concede less than that promotion season, we weren't all that at the back but it didn't matter because we outscored most teams
It's going forward where the problems lie, for me it's not the ability of players but really the balance and we lack extremes which would make us so more dangerous, be it size, power or heading abiity
We are a fairly lightweight side aerially going forward and don't have the pace to stretch sides that we had with Burns in the side, Burns was very important to opening sides up |
I am not saying the issue with changing CBs is a defensive issue.
We use our CBs for a lot of our general game play, constantly changing them I feel affects the overall balance of the team.
Overall I think the general changes effects the team, Coventry, Middlesborough and Stoke have predominantly played the same 11 most of this season. | |
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| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 01:35 - Nov 30 with 568 views | tonybied |
| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 00:13 - Nov 30 by bournemouthblue |
I guarantee we will concede less than that promotion season, we weren't all that at the back but it didn't matter because we outscored most teams
It's going forward where the problems lie, for me it's not the ability of players but really the balance and we lack extremes which would make us so more dangerous, be it size, power or heading abiity
We are a fairly lightweight side aerially going forward and don't have the pace to stretch sides that we had with Burns in the side, Burns was very important to opening sides up |
Exactly, before the Oxford game we had the 2nd best defensive record in the league. Not sure now as I haven't looked, but it doesn't exactly scream issues with the defence. We're just not creating enough clear cut chances - for all our dominance of the ball - and not taking them when we do.
Edit - Just checked again, now joint 2nd with Cov. It's still only Stoke with a less goals conceded. [Post edited 30 Nov 1:38]
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| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 01:53 - Nov 30 with 546 views | Smoresy |
| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 00:40 - Nov 30 by redrickstuhaart |
Speed (why must we keep saying pace which does not necessarily entail speed!?) is something we really lack. Our key ball carriers can beat a man but not stay ahead of them, so they always cut back. Our key strikers do not have the speed to get in behind consistently, so defenders can play tight to them without fear. A properly fast player or two in those positions, changes a lot. Defenders step off, spaces open and runs are more dangerous. No one across our front 4 is genuinely fast. |
As a keen Garmin user in my youth, pace and speed both tell us how fast someone's going. They're simply inverse measurements, with speed being distance over time and pace being time over distance. Someone reaching a sprint speed of 22 mph is reaching a sprint pace of 02:44 per mile for instance, much as one expression may feel clunkier than the other.
Do you mean acceleration? Now that is a different kettle of fish. It's a missing ingredient for sure, speed and/or acceleration, with Burns long-term crocked. Proper speedsters make life easier. McAteer looks our next fastest to me but we don't see his pace very often in an attacking sense, running onto forward passes, so I'm not sure if he regularly has the advantage here over fullbacks or not. | | | |
| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 06:50 - Nov 30 with 439 views | Blue_Heath |
| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 00:13 - Nov 30 by bournemouthblue |
I guarantee we will concede less than that promotion season, we weren't all that at the back but it didn't matter because we outscored most teams
It's going forward where the problems lie, for me it's not the ability of players but really the balance and we lack extremes which would make us so more dangerous, be it size, power or heading abiity
We are a fairly lightweight side aerially going forward and don't have the pace to stretch sides that we had with Burns in the side, Burns was very important to opening sides up |
Fair point being defence has never been that great under KM which is another long term concern if we go back up. But you are right we have become masters at signing non scoring attackers.
That second Oxford goal was classic Burns, that is what we need to do against low block teams when they lose the ball in our half break at speed. | |
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| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 07:30 - Nov 30 with 384 views | ArnieM |
| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 01:53 - Nov 30 by Smoresy |
As a keen Garmin user in my youth, pace and speed both tell us how fast someone's going. They're simply inverse measurements, with speed being distance over time and pace being time over distance. Someone reaching a sprint speed of 22 mph is reaching a sprint pace of 02:44 per mile for instance, much as one expression may feel clunkier than the other.
Do you mean acceleration? Now that is a different kettle of fish. It's a missing ingredient for sure, speed and/or acceleration, with Burns long-term crocked. Proper speedsters make life easier. McAteer looks our next fastest to me but we don't see his pace very often in an attacking sense, running onto forward passes, so I'm not sure if he regularly has the advantage here over fullbacks or not. |
Tbh we dont really know if our players gave acceleration, or speed or pace becyase they are COACHED to play a certain way, slow, measured, pedestrian , stop, walk etc with the ball. Its McKenna's brand / style/ identity of football, and its become boring and predictable to watch and sure as hell a tactic opposition managers have now got around. Look how Oxford completely out thought McKenna's usual 70 min subs by bring in two lots of subs within 5 mins which saw them tear into us and nullify McKenna's usual push to win a game in the final 20 mins. |  |
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| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 09:42 - Nov 30 with 244 views | bournemouthblue |
| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 01:53 - Nov 30 by Smoresy |
As a keen Garmin user in my youth, pace and speed both tell us how fast someone's going. They're simply inverse measurements, with speed being distance over time and pace being time over distance. Someone reaching a sprint speed of 22 mph is reaching a sprint pace of 02:44 per mile for instance, much as one expression may feel clunkier than the other.
Do you mean acceleration? Now that is a different kettle of fish. It's a missing ingredient for sure, speed and/or acceleration, with Burns long-term crocked. Proper speedsters make life easier. McAteer looks our next fastest to me but we don't see his pace very often in an attacking sense, running onto forward passes, so I'm not sure if he regularly has the advantage here over fullbacks or not. |
Both O'Shea and Ogbene were clocked at the top end of PL sprint speeds the year before we signed them
Obviously we have loaned out Ogbene who didn't quite look the player he was pre-injury, time will if Burns is back at his very fastest
McAteer maybe quick but he doesn't always make that outside run we need, I really hope he grows into the role because the boo boys seem determined for him to fail
Jack Clarke seems about our fastest ball carrier
Szmodics is probably the one player we have who makes those classic straight runs through. You could play him as a striker if we had a more physical number 10, doing some of the number 9 work
Could you get funky and play Azon in the 10 at times?
I wouldn't be surprised if we signed another 10, Ruben Colwill at Cardiff looks very talented as an example | |
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| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 09:44 - Nov 30 with 237 views | bournemouthblue |
| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 01:53 - Nov 30 by Smoresy |
As a keen Garmin user in my youth, pace and speed both tell us how fast someone's going. They're simply inverse measurements, with speed being distance over time and pace being time over distance. Someone reaching a sprint speed of 22 mph is reaching a sprint pace of 02:44 per mile for instance, much as one expression may feel clunkier than the other.
Do you mean acceleration? Now that is a different kettle of fish. It's a missing ingredient for sure, speed and/or acceleration, with Burns long-term crocked. Proper speedsters make life easier. McAteer looks our next fastest to me but we don't see his pace very often in an attacking sense, running onto forward passes, so I'm not sure if he regularly has the advantage here over fullbacks or not. |
Both O'Shea and Ogbene were clocked at the top end of PL sprint speeds the year before we signed them
Obviously we have loaned out Ogbene who didn't quite look the player he was pre-injury, time will if Burns is back at his very fastest
McAteer maybe quick but he doesn't always make that outside run we need, I really hope he grows into the role because the boo boys seem determined for him to fail
Jack Clarke seems about our fastest ball carrier
Szmodics is probably the one player we have who makes those classic straight runs through. You could play him as a striker if we had a more physical number 10, doing some of the number 9 work
Could you get funky and play Azon in the 10 at times?
I wouldn't be surprised if we signed another 10, Rubin Colwill at Cardiff looks very talented as an example | |
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| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 09:47 - Nov 30 with 222 views | Herbivore |
I don't think the odd change at LCB has had a massive impact on our performances, personally. Our biggest issue is that we aren't converting enough chances at the top end of the pitch. After 17 games (i.e. before Coventry had played their 18th) we had created the most big chances in the league this season. But we have also, by a distance, missed the most big chances in the league. We can pore over lots of little details about selection, tactics, etc. but it really boils down to us not being clinical enough. Despite not hitting top form yet, if we were even fairly average at taking our big chances we'd be top 2 and not far off Coventry. Whether it's Greaves or Kipre at the back isn't going to change that massively. |  |
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| The issue for me is a consistent centre back pairing on 13:52 - Nov 30 with 64 views | Nutkins_Return |
Our biggest weakness in that promotion season without the ball was the defence. Tuanzebe and Burgess were decent defensively. Woolfenden was ok but his qualities were more on the ball (same with Gladky quite honestly as was a very average keeper with exceptional qualities on the ball for a keeper).
It's a revision of history that we were defensively sound. We weren't. What were were was a much more dynamic and fluid team that had built patterns over 2-3 years and would regularly go out and back ourselves to score more than we concede.
We have better players overall now but we are miles of the cohesive unit if that team so far.
I would like to see us stuck with oshea and Greaves second half of the season though. I think we will bed a side down more for the last 20 games or so. | |
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