| O'Shea - guidance needed please 18:59 - Jan 1 with 2811 views | Blaggers12 |
I'd really like someone with more tactical and footballing knowledge than I to explain Dara O'Shea to me please. 500 more passes than anyone else in our team, most blocks, most attempted long passes, but yet still seems to give the ball away more than any other player. It was like watching walking football at times today, back and forth, and then a long pass over the top to turn over possession. What am I missing here? |  |
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| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 09:06 - Jan 2 with 203 views | Nutkins_Return |
| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 08:52 - Jan 2 by Churchman |
I agree with your post. I would add that O’Shea is a terrific player. The lynch pin of that defence which is hardly conceding boatloads of goals. Can he give the ball away? Yes. Man City’s players did that too yesterday. If you see a lot of the ball, you are not going to get it right every time.
You also need people in front to make themselves available. Until then, keep the ball and probe for an opportunity. I don’t see a problem with that, but there is room for the Murphy launch if we have a Murphy or a fit Hirst, but if we don’t, it’s just conceding possession.
I do think it can be a bit slow at times in that if you go through too long a phase you are just allowing the opposition to set and settle themselves.
I have to say I didn’t think Davis had his best game. I know he’s not been well, but it felt like every time he got the ball it went backwards. Not seen the game back, so might just be my perception. I think I’d play Greaves on Sunday. He was actually positive with his runs against Coventry and would give Leif a little break. We need our key players as fresh as possible and a big squad allows that to an extent. |
Completely agree. Davis in himself is a risk reward player but it shouldn't have to be that way. He really does have to improve his defensive work. We are vulnerable to players who run at him and also he is poor in the air. The flip side is he make some fantastic overlaps and his delivery is excellent.
Given Philogene and Clarke need to use him less and we have others with fantastic delivery now there is an argument for a greaves to get more game time as he was rock solid. BUT Leif gives us so much energy. Just needs to really work on his defensive side and be braver with headers. He's not short. | |
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| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 09:14 - Jan 2 with 177 views | AVJones |
| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 08:52 - Jan 2 by Churchman |
I agree with your post. I would add that O’Shea is a terrific player. The lynch pin of that defence which is hardly conceding boatloads of goals. Can he give the ball away? Yes. Man City’s players did that too yesterday. If you see a lot of the ball, you are not going to get it right every time.
You also need people in front to make themselves available. Until then, keep the ball and probe for an opportunity. I don’t see a problem with that, but there is room for the Murphy launch if we have a Murphy or a fit Hirst, but if we don’t, it’s just conceding possession.
I do think it can be a bit slow at times in that if you go through too long a phase you are just allowing the opposition to set and settle themselves.
I have to say I didn’t think Davis had his best game. I know he’s not been well, but it felt like every time he got the ball it went backwards. Not seen the game back, so might just be my perception. I think I’d play Greaves on Sunday. He was actually positive with his runs against Coventry and would give Leif a little break. We need our key players as fresh as possible and a big squad allows that to an extent. |
O’Shea is a solid defender. Puts his body on the line, good in the air, has pace. A goal scoring threat at corners and he can generally pass well, with the odd mistake. A team man, too: watch his reaction after Burns goal - he was truly delighted.
Yesterday, though, also showed why this is probably his level.
The Oxford goal, their striker got the other side of him. Good attacking play, yes, but you’d want your centre half to be stronger.
And in the second half, he lets the ball bounce which gives Oxford the best chance of the second half which we were very fortunate they didn’t score from. [Post edited 2 Jan 9:24]
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| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 09:16 - Jan 2 with 164 views | southnorfolkblue |
| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 08:52 - Jan 2 by Churchman |
I agree with your post. I would add that O’Shea is a terrific player. The lynch pin of that defence which is hardly conceding boatloads of goals. Can he give the ball away? Yes. Man City’s players did that too yesterday. If you see a lot of the ball, you are not going to get it right every time.
You also need people in front to make themselves available. Until then, keep the ball and probe for an opportunity. I don’t see a problem with that, but there is room for the Murphy launch if we have a Murphy or a fit Hirst, but if we don’t, it’s just conceding possession.
I do think it can be a bit slow at times in that if you go through too long a phase you are just allowing the opposition to set and settle themselves.
I have to say I didn’t think Davis had his best game. I know he’s not been well, but it felt like every time he got the ball it went backwards. Not seen the game back, so might just be my perception. I think I’d play Greaves on Sunday. He was actually positive with his runs against Coventry and would give Leif a little break. We need our key players as fresh as possible and a big squad allows that to an extent. |
I think you’ve hit the bail on the head about the pace. I appreciate that we slow the game down to invite the press, but yesterday Oxford simply weren’t engaging and in those circumstances if you don’t raise the intensity you’re just giving the opposite the chance to reset. In that context I have some sympathy with the OP. We play our best football when we put some intensity to the game.
Yesterday was a prime example of why we miss Morsy, a player who is prepared to receive the ball deep in his win half on the half turn and drive forward on a consistent basis. Cajuste did this on 2 or 3 occasion in the first half but it tended to be higher up the pitch | |
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| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 09:23 - Jan 2 with 157 views | AVJones |
| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 09:06 - Jan 2 by Nutkins_Return |
Completely agree. Davis in himself is a risk reward player but it shouldn't have to be that way. He really does have to improve his defensive work. We are vulnerable to players who run at him and also he is poor in the air. The flip side is he make some fantastic overlaps and his delivery is excellent.
Given Philogene and Clarke need to use him less and we have others with fantastic delivery now there is an argument for a greaves to get more game time as he was rock solid. BUT Leif gives us so much energy. Just needs to really work on his defensive side and be braver with headers. He's not short. |
This is why I love this forum! Different opinions.
My first reaction is, I just don’t agree with this. Davis is so fantastic going forward, that he create chances himself as well as lots of space for attacking players. It’s why he’s first on the team sheet for me. He’s almost like two players in one.
Of course, this creates risk defensively. He can’t be everywhere at once!
And, yes, Greaves was fantastic against Coventry. What a great option to have. You’ve made me reassess. [Post edited 2 Jan 9:25]
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| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 09:52 - Jan 2 with 132 views | Blaggers12 |
| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 07:44 - Jan 2 by Axeldalai_lama |
What a weird response. Yet again you are avoiding people that address your point and are offering you 'guidance'. I didn't actually offer an opinion, only pointed out that your analysis makes no sense. Look up all the stats and form an opinion on them, don't look up half of them and then guess the other half to fit your existing opinion. Or do, but then don't act like a wise sage asking for opinions when you've already made up your mind. |
...because I was asking for someone to point out something that I might have been missing, but that's ok, because everyone else on here seems to think that O'Shea is a modern day Beckenbauer.
You know, I rarely criticise our players, yet I raised this topic a couple of months ago and at that time most were in agreement with me. It's amazing how a good run of results can hide things. | |
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| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 09:57 - Jan 2 with 116 views | TheBlueGnu |
He's in the middle of the defence which has conceded the 2nd fewest goals in the Championship so far this season, and that same team are riding high in 2nd place in the table. Doesn't need tactical knowledge at all ! | |
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| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 10:03 - Jan 2 with 100 views | Vic |
I think you may be setting players too high, even unrealistic expectations. I don't watch much prem football, but when I do I'm always surprised at the number of times passes go astray - especially from the defenders. It happens - if it didn't the other team would never get the ball! |  |
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| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 10:08 - Jan 2 with 94 views | Vic |
| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 21:02 - Jan 1 by Nutkins_Return |
This sort of thing really triggers me. How can you have been watching Town and McKenna's town specifically for last few years and not understand it. We are looking to tempt/bring the opposition onto us who are just sitting back. It isn't really us being negative it's trying to counter a negative opposition to a degree.
When we play a better team we are able.to move through the lines quicker. Against teams like Oxford who just out 11 behind the ball there aren't the pockets of space to play into easily so we invite them to press by playing from the back and the nervous parts when we pass at the last second sometimes is to free space. (Walton puts his foot on the ball a lot - tempts the striker to him).
We will always look better against more attacking teams. We do need to work on breaking these teams down as we aren't perfect at it. |
This, a million times! I'm still amazed that in the 'in match' chatroom there are still a few who call for us 'get it clear', 'get it up field' - etc, when it's been stated over and over again by the manager that it's a deliberate tactic to draw teams out. What is it with some people!!
That said - there have been games this season when we have actually been pedestrian all over the pitch. it's been much better lately, but when we fall into that stupor and can;t get out of it (England do the same sometimes0 it does grind my gears! | |
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| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 10:13 - Jan 2 with 80 views | BiGDonnie |
He's captain of the side 2nd in the league and with the joint best defensive record ffs. |  |
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| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 10:14 - Jan 2 with 79 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 09:52 - Jan 2 by Blaggers12 |
...because I was asking for someone to point out something that I might have been missing, but that's ok, because everyone else on here seems to think that O'Shea is a modern day Beckenbauer.
You know, I rarely criticise our players, yet I raised this topic a couple of months ago and at that time most were in agreement with me. It's amazing how a good run of results can hide things. |
This is nonsense, of course, no one is saying he is the modern day Beckenbauer, let alone 'everyone else'.
This happens so much on here and it's really very simple. If you're rational and balanced then people won't jump on you, or hardly ever, but say a point in the same ball park but fill it with other nonsense and hyperbole, then double and triple down on it and people rightly call you out on it. |  | | |
| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 10:31 - Jan 2 with 58 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| O'Shea - guidance needed please on 10:13 - Jan 2 by BiGDonnie |
He's captain of the side 2nd in the league and with the joint best defensive record ffs. |
Yeah, but how's that got anything to do with the ever present captain centre back.... Oh! | | | |
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