| Watching MoTD it really is striking 23:43 - Jan 7 with 1647 views | cbower |
The pace, power and movement of Premier League forwards is.......well........just a whole different ball game. If we sign a striker this month it really should be a loan IMHO. I'd not be averse to Bamford myself but we need someone to just help get us over the line. If we do get there, then we spend on a No 9 fit for the Premier League. We're never going to get a Premier League ready forward in this window. [Post edited 7 Jan 23:53]
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| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 23:53 - Jan 7 with 1579 views | armchaircritic59 |
Quite so, and that applies to other positions too, as we found out last season! Sunderland appear to be setting a template ( well at least up till tonights game! ) that seems based on a mean defence and a really good keeper. Whether thay can keep it up is another matter. Bamford at his best would be almost a cheat code in the championship, but he's injury prone and probably not quite up to the PL these days. Going to be an interesting 26 days that are left of the window. |  | | |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 01:22 - Jan 8 with 1413 views | bringbacktheglory |
It’s frightening how athletic those players are. It must be the reason some players are just too good for the Championship but not good enough for the Prem. It is impossible to get a squad ready for the Prem while in the Championship and that’s a huge issue for the game. A promoted team has to make 11 signings minimum to have a chance of survival. Sunderland seem to have absolutely smashed it with recruitment and I hope that other teams can follow suit in years to come.
I do think we are better equipped if we manage it this year, we have more players capable of making the step up, physically than before. But I agree, no chance of finding a player who will be prem ready, unless we find a young loan player in the mould of Delap that we can buy when we go up. But even then you could argue he performed better in the prem than the championship! | | | |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 02:57 - Jan 8 with 1349 views | Denny32 |
But all these players are recruited for their athleticism pace and power ...Sunderland took a chance and spent around 170 million on a whole new team..but you have to get it right. And they have feel sorry for the players that took them up ..little realising they cast aside and surplus to requirements.. | | | |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 07:35 - Jan 8 with 1059 views | Dubtractor |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 02:57 - Jan 8 by Denny32 |
But all these players are recruited for their athleticism pace and power ...Sunderland took a chance and spent around 170 million on a whole new team..but you have to get it right. And they have feel sorry for the players that took them up ..little realising they cast aside and surplus to requirements.. |
Interesting to note that Sunderland have only scored 21 goals, we had 20 at the same point, but they have one of the best defensive records in the league.
Will be interesting to see how they go in the second half of the season. They probably only need 5 more points to be safe, but I'd suggest they need more goals to continue to be pick up points at the rate they have so far. |  |
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| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 07:44 - Jan 8 with 1027 views | Dubtractor |
Re the OP, this is why I had mixed feelings about the promotion in 23/24. Obviously fir the moment itself it was amazing and what you support a team for. One of the real highlights of my 40 or so years of following Ipswich.
But the team we has was never going to be able to compete against the athleticism of the Premier league. We tried to strengthen, probably didn't get it right, and we had the season i feared we would.
Hopefully if we go up this season we'll get ourselves into a better position to have a decent go at staying up. The centre forward position is absolutely critical though. | |
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| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 08:12 - Jan 8 with 933 views | NthQldITFC |
I understand but I kind of think the opposite. I think we're in a sort of hot zone where we ought to be able to pick up a decent prospect who wants to play at the top level in England, who's knows they'll struggle to get straight into a PL squad, but who's too expensive for anyone in the Championship apart from us or Southampton.
We can afford to bung £10m at that player on the basis that our finances allow it, but also because we're looking strong enough now to get back there even with a moderate level of improvement in the next four months.
I see a loan (unless it has a good option to buy) as a waste of development time. |  |
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| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 08:20 - Jan 8 with 892 views | PioneerBlue |
I agree with plenty of the comments here. PL is a different animal these days. I believe ITFC have it right for us. Sunderland and Leeds have done their own things and were in slightly different places compared to us on arrival into the PL.
Building a PL competitive team in the champ is not possible, ensure your infrastructure is PL ready or very close whilst building a strong team for the champ that forms the base in PL is probably as close as you get. Arrival into and out of the PL is inevitably requiring squad surgery.
Reflecting now, sure we might have done better on recruitment and added different profiles but let’s not forget we attracted two very bright talents and stabilised the relegation by cashing them for decent money putting us in a sound position to have 1-2 cracks at returning to the PL with parachute support. | |
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| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 08:23 - Jan 8 with 860 views | Bramidan |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 02:57 - Jan 8 by Denny32 |
But all these players are recruited for their athleticism pace and power ...Sunderland took a chance and spent around 170 million on a whole new team..but you have to get it right. And they have feel sorry for the players that took them up ..little realising they cast aside and surplus to requirements.. |
It’s almost like American Sports where people are recruited because of their athleticism and body
size rather than skill in a particular sport.
Sounds like “ get me a big, fast,well coordinated athelete and I’ll coach him to be a football player” | | | |
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| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 08:41 - Jan 8 with 802 views | WeWereZombies |
Calvert-Lewin looked quite a doubtful prospect for any significant impact in the Premier League when Everton sold him, in my opinion, but Leeds have transformed him. Perhaps the same is possible with Bamford ? |  |
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| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 08:49 - Jan 8 with 776 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 08:12 - Jan 8 by NthQldITFC |
I understand but I kind of think the opposite. I think we're in a sort of hot zone where we ought to be able to pick up a decent prospect who wants to play at the top level in England, who's knows they'll struggle to get straight into a PL squad, but who's too expensive for anyone in the Championship apart from us or Southampton.
We can afford to bung £10m at that player on the basis that our finances allow it, but also because we're looking strong enough now to get back there even with a moderate level of improvement in the next four months.
I see a loan (unless it has a good option to buy) as a waste of development time. |
You might strike lucky but I would suggest the pool of strikers we can attract that can cut it at PL level will be bigger in the summer if we go up. Leeds wouldn't have got Calvert-Lewin as a Championship club. Sunderland wouldn't have got Brobbey. It would be very easy for us to spend £10m on a striker that needs replacing in the summer. | | | |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 10:09 - Jan 8 with 605 views | RobTheMonk |
On the topic of MoTD itself, wtf is that intro to the show?! It's an assault on my eyes lol |  | | |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 10:24 - Jan 8 with 542 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 23:53 - Jan 7 by armchaircritic59 |
Quite so, and that applies to other positions too, as we found out last season! Sunderland appear to be setting a template ( well at least up till tonights game! ) that seems based on a mean defence and a really good keeper. Whether thay can keep it up is another matter. Bamford at his best would be almost a cheat code in the championship, but he's injury prone and probably not quite up to the PL these days. Going to be an interesting 26 days that are left of the window. |
Down arrow for calling a player "a cheat code" |  |
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| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 10:31 - Jan 8 with 520 views | cbower |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 08:49 - Jan 8 by tractorboy1978 |
You might strike lucky but I would suggest the pool of strikers we can attract that can cut it at PL level will be bigger in the summer if we go up. Leeds wouldn't have got Calvert-Lewin as a Championship club. Sunderland wouldn't have got Brobbey. It would be very easy for us to spend £10m on a striker that needs replacing in the summer. |
Yep. If we go up we're already committed to 7 million for Akpom who, in my opinion, isn't cutting it in The Championship. | |
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| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 10:49 - Jan 8 with 482 views | NthQldITFC |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 08:49 - Jan 8 by tractorboy1978 |
You might strike lucky but I would suggest the pool of strikers we can attract that can cut it at PL level will be bigger in the summer if we go up. Leeds wouldn't have got Calvert-Lewin as a Championship club. Sunderland wouldn't have got Brobbey. It would be very easy for us to spend £10m on a striker that needs replacing in the summer. |
But we can kind of afford to take a £10m punt on someone who has a chance of being perhaps a second or third striker for us in the PL, who, if it does work out and we do get promoted, we can shift for an effectively meaningless loss next season.
It seems like a low risk / high reward potential scenario to me.
Certainly we can (and will need to) buy more expensively with much higher levels of confidence if we do go up, but given how things look like panning out this season, I think we have headroom to have a little safe-ish punt, so long as we trust our recruitment department in the European / South American perhaps markets. | |
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| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 11:48 - Jan 8 with 349 views | Smoresy |
Fully agree with your reflections on the level above. The opinion I've most disagreed with over the years is the Championship's more demanding "physicality". | | | |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 12:05 - Jan 8 with 307 views | NthQldITFC |
| Watching MoTD it really is striking on 11:48 - Jan 8 by Smoresy |
Fully agree with your reflections on the level above. The opinion I've most disagreed with over the years is the Championship's more demanding "physicality". |
Yes, It's really not true is it. What is true is that the extra eight games take a toll on less deep squads, but the actual physicality in any given game is way down on the PL level. | |
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