| Bang goes One Nation Toryism 09:33 - Jan 28 with 1258 views | DJR |
From the Guardian.
And, while claiming that the Conservatives are the only party “serious” about policy, Badenoch is also going to use her speech for a bit of internal faction-fighting – blasting Prosper, the new group launched by Ruth Davidson and Andy Street arguing for “moderate” Conservatism.
In the extract sent out overnight, Badenoch does not name Prosper. But she clearly refers to them, saying:
"There’s another group of people who seem to think that if we just pretend that nothing bad is happening, everything is going to be OK …
… as long as we say nice things and don’t mention immigration.
This is my message to them.
We’re about the future, not the past.
We’re not trying to recreate 2006 and it’s not 2016 any more.
We aren’t refighting those battles. It’s 2026 and the world has changed.
This is about the future. I am building a Conservative party for the next decade and the next generation."
When it boils down to it, there's not really going to much difference between the Tories and Reform at the next election.
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 09:44 - Jan 28 with 1185 views | J2BLUE |
Fully expect her to prop up Farage in exchange for a big job. She serves nothing but her own ambition. When she realises she will never be PM she will happily back Farage. |  |
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 09:45 - Jan 28 with 1172 views | Swansea_Blue |
Immigration is collapsing and there are real fears we’re not going to have a sufficient working age population to support everyone else.
She’s mad. |  |
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 09:53 - Jan 28 with 1137 views | MattinLondon |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 09:45 - Jan 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Immigration is collapsing and there are real fears we’re not going to have a sufficient working age population to support everyone else.
She’s mad. |
She’s not mad at all - she’s portraying immigration badly in order to gain popularity amongst the Tory right. She doesn’t care how dangerous her rhetoric is because she believes that is what will prop up her leadership. She has no moral compass.
Nearer to the election, she will probably cut a deal with Reform and it’ll be interesting to see what the Tory moderates do.
In short, no she isn’t mad but instead an incompetent leader with no moral compass. And no, not all politicians are the same and certainly not Stramer. |  | | |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 09:59 - Jan 28 with 1117 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 09:53 - Jan 28 by MattinLondon |
She’s not mad at all - she’s portraying immigration badly in order to gain popularity amongst the Tory right. She doesn’t care how dangerous her rhetoric is because she believes that is what will prop up her leadership. She has no moral compass.
Nearer to the election, she will probably cut a deal with Reform and it’ll be interesting to see what the Tory moderates do.
In short, no she isn’t mad but instead an incompetent leader with no moral compass. And no, not all politicians are the same and certainly not Stramer. |
Can I change it to evil?
You’re right, I was firing off without thinking and agree with all your points. She’s very much incompetent. And I still don’t understand why there are so many 2nd generation immigrants happy to stir up anti-immigrant sentiment. I don’t think I ever will. | |
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 10:06 - Jan 28 with 1074 views | MattinLondon |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 09:59 - Jan 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Can I change it to evil?
You’re right, I was firing off without thinking and agree with all your points. She’s very much incompetent. And I still don’t understand why there are so many 2nd generation immigrants happy to stir up anti-immigrant sentiment. I don’t think I ever will. |
Most second or third generation immigrants probably have more things in common with this country than with the country of their ancestors. Most probably only speak English and apart from skin colour have little in common with whatever country their grandparents came from.
In her case, it’s probably just naked ambition which leads her to spit out her hatred. [Post edited 28 Jan 10:09]
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 10:24 - Jan 28 with 1010 views | DJR |
I feel desperately sad and also angry about cases like the following.
I arrived in the UK around the same time but I was fortunate my parents got me a passport as soon as they could.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk
‘I’m part of this country’: Windrush man left homeless by Home Office inaction
George Campbell, 69, slept in bus station as officials questioned his right to live in the UK after hospital stay [Post edited 28 Jan 10:25]
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 10:33 - Jan 28 with 976 views | DJR |
As if to emphasise my point.
"My Conservative party has moved to the right every day since I became leader."
She's even claiming Reform are left wing.
My Conservative party has moved to the right every day since I became leader.
"What have Reform done in that time?
An unfunded plan to scrap the two-child benefit cap …
An unworkable plan to nationalise British steel.
This is leftwing fantasy.
The Conservatives are proudly the party of the right. The only party of the right." | | | |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 10:37 - Jan 28 with 956 views | gsoly |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 09:53 - Jan 28 by MattinLondon |
She’s not mad at all - she’s portraying immigration badly in order to gain popularity amongst the Tory right. She doesn’t care how dangerous her rhetoric is because she believes that is what will prop up her leadership. She has no moral compass.
Nearer to the election, she will probably cut a deal with Reform and it’ll be interesting to see what the Tory moderates do.
In short, no she isn’t mad but instead an incompetent leader with no moral compass. And no, not all politicians are the same and certainly not Stramer. |
Politics in this country is heading for a very dangerous end, IMO. Mainly because leaders of the main political parties only care about their own interests. I know it’s been like this forever but surely we can all agree that it’s comfortably worse than it’s ever been. |  | | |
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 10:41 - Jan 28 with 940 views | J2BLUE |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 10:33 - Jan 28 by DJR |
As if to emphasise my point.
"My Conservative party has moved to the right every day since I became leader."
She's even claiming Reform are left wing.
My Conservative party has moved to the right every day since I became leader.
"What have Reform done in that time?
An unfunded plan to scrap the two-child benefit cap …
An unworkable plan to nationalise British steel.
This is leftwing fantasy.
The Conservatives are proudly the party of the right. The only party of the right." |
The two child cap being scrapped is going to lift 450,000 kids out of poverty.
If she can't find the money for that she doesn't deserve to be anywhere near government. | |
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 10:43 - Jan 28 with 932 views | Blueschev |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 10:33 - Jan 28 by DJR |
As if to emphasise my point.
"My Conservative party has moved to the right every day since I became leader."
She's even claiming Reform are left wing.
My Conservative party has moved to the right every day since I became leader.
"What have Reform done in that time?
An unfunded plan to scrap the two-child benefit cap …
An unworkable plan to nationalise British steel.
This is leftwing fantasy.
The Conservatives are proudly the party of the right. The only party of the right." |
Trying to out-Reform Reform will do only one thing, increase the popularity of Reform. |  | | |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 10:46 - Jan 28 with 911 views | Herbivore |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 10:43 - Jan 28 by Blueschev |
Trying to out-Reform Reform will do only one thing, increase the popularity of Reform. |
Indeed, ask Labour. |  |
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 10:53 - Jan 28 with 884 views | DJR |
There's more. 
Badenoch confirms Tories still view Republicans in US as sister party, saying relationships are 'great'
Q: Do still regard the Republicans in the US as a sister party?
Badenoch replies: “Yes, absolutely.” She says she has a great relationships with Republicans. | | | |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 11:00 - Jan 28 with 847 views | DJR |
Going slightly off topic, this is an interesting article. The problem though is that there isn't really an answer to the decline of the high street which is an ongoing and structural thing driven in no small measure by the internet.
https://www.theguardian.com/so
Labour risks election wipeout unless it improves Britain’s high streets, study finds
Decay of town centres a top issue among voters especially Reform UK supporters and is fuelling resentment against Westminster [Post edited 28 Jan 11:00]
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 11:03 - Jan 28 with 819 views | J2BLUE |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 11:00 - Jan 28 by DJR |
Going slightly off topic, this is an interesting article. The problem though is that there isn't really an answer to the decline of the high street which is an ongoing and structural thing driven in no small measure by the internet.
https://www.theguardian.com/so
Labour risks election wipeout unless it improves Britain’s high streets, study finds
Decay of town centres a top issue among voters especially Reform UK supporters and is fuelling resentment against Westminster [Post edited 28 Jan 11:00]
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Holding back the tide. Won't be popular but town centres should be left to transform to social hubs with restaurants, bars, cinemas, pubs and other leisure venues. | |
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 11:05 - Jan 28 with 811 views | giant_stow |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 09:45 - Jan 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Immigration is collapsing and there are real fears we’re not going to have a sufficient working age population to support everyone else.
She’s mad. |
I wonder who all those older reform voters will blame when essential services start failing for want of workers? plums. |  |
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 11:14 - Jan 28 with 777 views | DJR |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 11:03 - Jan 28 by J2BLUE |
Holding back the tide. Won't be popular but town centres should be left to transform to social hubs with restaurants, bars, cinemas, pubs and other leisure venues. |
There is a lot in what you say, but I don't think it translates well to towns where Reform might do well. Middlesbrough, which I visited for the Town game, springs to mind. | | | |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 11:28 - Jan 28 with 727 views | DJR |
Here's another snippet.
"We’ve done the work and committed to leave the ECHR, so that we can finally deal with illegal immigration."
In my view, it is a disgrace that both Reform and the Tories are committed to leaving the ECHR, and thus joining Russia and Belarus as the only countries in Europe outside it. | | | |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 11:31 - Jan 28 with 709 views | CrayonKing |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 11:05 - Jan 28 by giant_stow |
I wonder who all those older reform voters will blame when essential services start failing for want of workers? plums. |
Immigrants of course!
They're the scapegoat that keeps on giving |  | | |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 12:19 - Jan 28 with 599 views | DJR |
This from More in Common had passed me by but it gives an indication of which seats would go to which parties if there were a vote at the time it was taken around the turn of the year..
It is an MRP poll which I believe tend to be more accurate.
It suggests Ipswich will go Reform, Labour will be down to 85 seats, and where I live will be one of only 70 Tory seats, something that appears to coincide with the local election results in May where Reform didn't do well in the area where I live despite doing very well elsewhere in Kent.
The only saving grace is that my MP is a One Nation Tory.
https://www.moreincommon.org.u
Of course, this is not set in stone but it is interesting nevertheless.
And the article has this passage.
"But there is one major caveat: tactical voting. For the first time we have explored how tactical voting could reshape the model projections. It suggests the Liberal Democrats could be big winners here - and if that if tactical voting is anywhere close to the scale we saw in Caerphilly, that parties of the left could deny Reform a majority and form a rainbow coalition of their own.
The threat of tactical voting, combined with the narrow margin of many of Reform’s projected victories, suggests their momentum may have at least temporarily stalled. That, combined with the fact we are still years from an election, means that despite their success in 2025, the path to the next general election is still far from known."
My fear is the Tories and Reform will enter into some sort of pact (Tories-the shires and Reform-urban areas). And maybe even a merger or takeover is not out of the question. In those circumstances, we're doomed. [Post edited 28 Jan 13:50]
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 13:47 - Jan 28 with 460 views | jontysnut |
Reform is a one nation party - except that country is Russia
Try the veal... |  | | |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 13:52 - Jan 28 with 431 views | J2BLUE |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 12:19 - Jan 28 by DJR |
This from More in Common had passed me by but it gives an indication of which seats would go to which parties if there were a vote at the time it was taken around the turn of the year..
It is an MRP poll which I believe tend to be more accurate.
It suggests Ipswich will go Reform, Labour will be down to 85 seats, and where I live will be one of only 70 Tory seats, something that appears to coincide with the local election results in May where Reform didn't do well in the area where I live despite doing very well elsewhere in Kent.
The only saving grace is that my MP is a One Nation Tory.
https://www.moreincommon.org.u
Of course, this is not set in stone but it is interesting nevertheless.
And the article has this passage.
"But there is one major caveat: tactical voting. For the first time we have explored how tactical voting could reshape the model projections. It suggests the Liberal Democrats could be big winners here - and if that if tactical voting is anywhere close to the scale we saw in Caerphilly, that parties of the left could deny Reform a majority and form a rainbow coalition of their own.
The threat of tactical voting, combined with the narrow margin of many of Reform’s projected victories, suggests their momentum may have at least temporarily stalled. That, combined with the fact we are still years from an election, means that despite their success in 2025, the path to the next general election is still far from known."
My fear is the Tories and Reform will enter into some sort of pact (Tories-the shires and Reform-urban areas). And maybe even a merger or takeover is not out of the question. In those circumstances, we're doomed. [Post edited 28 Jan 13:50]
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I am hoping it's going to be like the MEP elections where people had their protest vote for UKIP and then their support died off.
Hopefully the local elections get it out of the system, give Starmer the bloody nose people seem to want to give him and force Labour to do more. | |
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 14:39 - Jan 28 with 316 views | Plums |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 11:14 - Jan 28 by DJR |
There is a lot in what you say, but I don't think it translates well to towns where Reform might do well. Middlesbrough, which I visited for the Town game, springs to mind. |
If this wasn't so tragically self-fulfilling, it would be very funny.
These areas were receiving EU regeneration funding but voted decisively for the Brexsh1t fiasco. They will never receive equivalent funding from Westminster because there is no political benefit but they 'knew what they were voting for'.
Sowing and reaping springs to mind... |  |
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 17:51 - Jan 28 with 175 views | DJR |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 13:52 - Jan 28 by J2BLUE |
I am hoping it's going to be like the MEP elections where people had their protest vote for UKIP and then their support died off.
Hopefully the local elections get it out of the system, give Starmer the bloody nose people seem to want to give him and force Labour to do more. |
I came across this on the comments section of the Guardian. I can't vouch for it but if true and it sounds authoritative, it seems a little more encouraging. The poll is apparently an MRP which I think has a much larger sample.
"Things may not be quite as disastrous for Labour and the Conservatives parties as the headline polling figures suggest.
The YouGov MRP poll from 25–26 January 2026 projects Reform UK in the lead nationally with 25 % of the vote, followed by Labour on 21 % and the Conservatives on 17 %, while Greens and Liberal Democrats hold significant shares at 16 % and 14 % respectively.
But what is noteworthy and often missed by commentators is that the poll details reveal that around 10 % of respondents reported that they would not vote, and a further 14–15 % were “don’t know” or undecided. These groups are important because historical evidence from past elections, including the 2024 UK general election, shows that a substantial fraction of self-reported non-voters and undecideds ultimately do cast ballots. For example, Survation’s post-election recontact analysis indicated that roughly half of those who initially said they would not vote ended up participating, while about 70 % of undecided respondents also turned out.
Importantly, historical voting behaviour shows that many late or converted voters tend to return to their usual party allegiance, primarily Labour or Conservative. Adjusting for this, projected shares rise substantially: Labour from 21 % to ~24 %, Conservative from 17 % to ~23 %, and Reform UK from 25 % to ~26 %.
This means that while Reform UK remains prominent in the headline MRP snapshot, the final vote could see a stronger showing for the traditional major parties, with minor-party support somewhat moderated as some undecided and non-voting respondents realign to Labour or Conservative.
There’s still a lot to play for." [Post edited 28 Jan 17:51]
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| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 20:53 - Jan 28 with 48 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Bang goes One Nation Toryism on 11:03 - Jan 28 by J2BLUE |
Holding back the tide. Won't be popular but town centres should be left to transform to social hubs with restaurants, bars, cinemas, pubs and other leisure venues. |
It’s what’s happening already isn’t it? Any development around this way is now geared towards entertainment, hospitality and public/social services (e.g. Swansea Council just moved their offices and library/archives etc. into the old BHS. We’ve had an indoor arena, have plans for hotels, a rugby stadium refurb right on the edge of town and possibly an aquarium. There don’t appear to be any plans around shopping. | |
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