| Egeli 10:06 - Feb 8 with 5937 views | FrimleyBlue |
Seeing mcateers excellent appearance and how he and burns give us our right side nicely balanced between them.
It does pose the question on what do we do with egeli...
We've got two 10s already. KM has never given him a go uptop. But we dont miss egeli when hes not on the right..
I know we spent a lot of money on him... but would it be so wrong to have him with the u21s for the remainder of season and then on loan somewhere next season?
Hes got that future potential but I cant see where he fits into the side this season. |  |
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| Egeli on 08:46 - Feb 9 with 844 views | Wright1 |
This post sums our fanbase up fantastically well.
One cross from a bloke that's been the designated scapegoat since he joined and suddenly he balances the team and Sindre should be in the U21s.
I suspect the real answer is that the Championship is a slog and they'll all need to play a part before the end of the season. The summer is the time to worry about what is the best next step for Sindre's development. |  | | |
| Egeli on 08:48 - Feb 9 with 838 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Egeli on 08:46 - Feb 9 by Wright1 |
This post sums our fanbase up fantastically well.
One cross from a bloke that's been the designated scapegoat since he joined and suddenly he balances the team and Sindre should be in the U21s.
I suspect the real answer is that the Championship is a slog and they'll all need to play a part before the end of the season. The summer is the time to worry about what is the best next step for Sindre's development. |
Yes. Its because of one cross. | |
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| Egeli on 10:00 - Feb 9 with 769 views | Wright1 |
| Egeli on 08:48 - Feb 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Yes. Its because of one cross. |
Well that being the case, what a coincidence this comes off the back of Kasey's best (only?) moment in a Town shirt.
Don't get my wrong I am one of the people who have been designated as "happy clappers" who think it is unproductive to get on the players cases and we should support them... but Kasey has mostly had 5-15 minute cameos or been an unused sub for a long time and to suggest there was much before this weekend that separated him from Sindre (who actually has a couple of goals to his name) is just not true. | | | |
| Egeli on 10:02 - Feb 9 with 761 views | BiGDonnie |
Absolutely no chance. |  |
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| Egeli on 10:04 - Feb 9 with 755 views | gsoly |
I don't fancy reading through this whole thread but I just came here to say this:
Playing games in our U21s is a complete and utter irrelevance for a player as talented as Egeli.
So many of ours fans overestimate the level of it. It's fitness for returning first-teamers only, that's it. And even then, the majority skip that step.
Even suggesting it is insulting to be honest. |  | | |
| Egeli on 10:10 - Feb 9 with 729 views | RobTheMonk |
I think the price tag raised a few eyebrows and people expected a Hutch like impact which hasn't been the case.
Championship is a very competitive league. It's also a new country and culture for a young man.
He has some obvious qualities, but I'm not sure we've done any favours playing him right wing. Which then begs the question, are we going to try him in the middle? Mehmeti has looked extremely creative in that role and for a much lower investment.
Hopefully gets a start in the middle in the FA cup game. |  | | |
| Egeli on 10:42 - Feb 9 with 689 views | DavoIPB |
He will get at least part of the game on Friday. He is only 19 and is a real talent. I'm sure in a couple of years time in will be a 9 or a 10 | | | |
| Egeli on 10:43 - Feb 9 with 693 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Egeli on 10:00 - Feb 9 by Wright1 |
Well that being the case, what a coincidence this comes off the back of Kasey's best (only?) moment in a Town shirt.
Don't get my wrong I am one of the people who have been designated as "happy clappers" who think it is unproductive to get on the players cases and we should support them... but Kasey has mostly had 5-15 minute cameos or been an unused sub for a long time and to suggest there was much before this weekend that separated him from Sindre (who actually has a couple of goals to his name) is just not true. |
Ive spoke before of mckenna choosing Clarke on the right over mcateer. Ive also spoke for many months about egeli not suiting the right hand side role.
What in referring too is the balance of our side is better when it has either one of two things.
Actual right sided players. Or those who can play ala hutch by going inside and out.
The point of the op is I dont see where egeli fits in to our squad. Sure km will prob carry on giving him minutes on the right. I dont think that works and I dont think it helps him either and now we have 10s. I just think itll be good for egeli to get some regular matches played whilst he develops and a loan next season. | |
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| Egeli on 11:03 - Feb 9 with 662 views | gsoly |
| Egeli on 10:43 - Feb 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Ive spoke before of mckenna choosing Clarke on the right over mcateer. Ive also spoke for many months about egeli not suiting the right hand side role.
What in referring too is the balance of our side is better when it has either one of two things.
Actual right sided players. Or those who can play ala hutch by going inside and out.
The point of the op is I dont see where egeli fits in to our squad. Sure km will prob carry on giving him minutes on the right. I dont think that works and I dont think it helps him either and now we have 10s. I just think itll be good for egeli to get some regular matches played whilst he develops and a loan next season. |
Games in the U21s are utterly, utterly pointless for his development. | | | |
| Egeli on 11:04 - Feb 9 with 659 views | OldFart71 |
I cannot in all honesty see a £17 million player going out on loan. He is obviously gifted and KM has played him on the wing as physically he's probably not mature enough to play in the middle.
I would say he has been a bit underwhelming of late where he hasn't got into matches. But again he's only 19 and may develop at a different rate to some. | | | |
| Egeli on 11:37 - Feb 9 with 632 views | dirtyboy |
| Egeli on 10:43 - Feb 9 by FrimleyBlue |
Ive spoke before of mckenna choosing Clarke on the right over mcateer. Ive also spoke for many months about egeli not suiting the right hand side role.
What in referring too is the balance of our side is better when it has either one of two things.
Actual right sided players. Or those who can play ala hutch by going inside and out.
The point of the op is I dont see where egeli fits in to our squad. Sure km will prob carry on giving him minutes on the right. I dont think that works and I dont think it helps him either and now we have 10s. I just think itll be good for egeli to get some regular matches played whilst he develops and a loan next season. |
Younger players quite often find themselves out wide for a few reasons, but number one, is that the central 10, where we all think Sindre is poised for, requires a game reading and positional sense than most 19 year olds are going to have.
He can do 'less damage' from a positional or defensive point of view on the wide right, but gives him game time and exposure to playing against this level of defender and see/learn what Nunez or Mehmeti are doing first hand.
I would agree that it's fairly obvious wide right isn't ideal, but you'd be mad to throw him in the 10 right now where if he makes a mistake, it's glaringly obvious and likely to have an adverse impact (especially with how fickle fans can be). He's still getting shots off pretty well which proves he's able to create space and be dangerous, just not converting them, it'll come.
He's having an accelerated apprenticeship right now. Excited to see him next season more than i'm worried about what he's doing right now. |  | | |
| Egeli on 11:49 - Feb 9 with 613 views | Smoresy |
| Egeli on 11:03 - Feb 9 by gsoly |
Games in the U21s are utterly, utterly pointless for his development. |
Indeed.
I hoped a benefit of Mehmeti's arrival and McAteer's cameo could be that we no longer need to scrutinise or demand performance from our teenager in a new country. Let him develop under KM's tutelage. Give them the grace to come to those decisions between them, when and where he pitches in.
Instead it's suggested we end his involvement with the first team now, for 18 months, because the OP either doesn't want to see him again anytime soon, period, or he doesn't want to see him where he expects KM would play him. Leave them be is an alternative suggestion, support him when seen, and don't be surprised if our decent behaviour is rewarded in time with positive progress from the youngster. | | | |
| Egeli on 12:07 - Feb 9 with 586 views | _CliveBaker_ |
| Egeli on 08:46 - Feb 9 by Wright1 |
This post sums our fanbase up fantastically well.
One cross from a bloke that's been the designated scapegoat since he joined and suddenly he balances the team and Sindre should be in the U21s.
I suspect the real answer is that the Championship is a slog and they'll all need to play a part before the end of the season. The summer is the time to worry about what is the best next step for Sindre's development. |
Rarely have I seen the level of over thinking and over reaching as I do on TWTD.
He's 19 and in his breakthrough season in a very tough league. He's already played more football than most his age and he's had some good moments and some less good moments, which was entirely predictable. We look a better side with others in the right sided role at the moment, and while that remains the case they'll play ahead of him. He's still been on the bench and remains an important part of the squad though. Its as simple as that at the moment. Talk of playing in the U23's when the fixture list is as heavy as it is at the moment is nonsense. |  | | |
| Egeli on 12:16 - Feb 9 with 568 views | HighgateBlue |
| Egeli on 08:46 - Feb 9 by Wright1 |
This post sums our fanbase up fantastically well.
One cross from a bloke that's been the designated scapegoat since he joined and suddenly he balances the team and Sindre should be in the U21s.
I suspect the real answer is that the Championship is a slog and they'll all need to play a part before the end of the season. The summer is the time to worry about what is the best next step for Sindre's development. |
In fairness, there is very little agreement with the OP within this thread, which I think indicates that the OP doesn't sum up the fanbase.
I do agree with you completely on the substantive point. I'm sure I'm guilty of some excessive impatience which I think you are rightly calling out. But on the Egeli issue I am in complete agreement.
Like with McAteer, it's not Sindre's fault how much he cost, he's got a lot of talent and a good attitude, and maybe needs a short period of stepping back. The fact that McAteer's form has picked up and Wes is back means that this is no biggy. |  | | |
| Egeli on 12:43 - Feb 9 with 535 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Egeli on 11:49 - Feb 9 by Smoresy |
Indeed.
I hoped a benefit of Mehmeti's arrival and McAteer's cameo could be that we no longer need to scrutinise or demand performance from our teenager in a new country. Let him develop under KM's tutelage. Give them the grace to come to those decisions between them, when and where he pitches in.
Instead it's suggested we end his involvement with the first team now, for 18 months, because the OP either doesn't want to see him again anytime soon, period, or he doesn't want to see him where he expects KM would play him. Leave them be is an alternative suggestion, support him when seen, and don't be surprised if our decent behaviour is rewarded in time with positive progress from the youngster. |
I find it incredible how defensive people get on this site, at what point have i said I dont want to see him any time soon, let alone period jeez, It was more of I don't see where he's going to fit in with the new signings we've got and others coming into the fold. "Written off" etc,. No - having a discussion about a young player
People saying ignore the price we've paid, but in the next breath can't comtemplate him Playing games with the u21s, why? because of the price we've paid? he can still train with the first team like humphreys did.
People saying we won't be sending him on loan next season, why? we may be prem, why couldn't we? he may well be ready, he may not be for it, so yeah loan moves would make sense. That's what other prem clubs do. | |
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| Egeli on 13:16 - Feb 9 with 461 views | FlittonBlue |
And after doing the maths selling him for a £10m+ profit after one season seems insanely unlikely!!! | | | |
| Egeli on 13:40 - Feb 9 with 426 views | Smoresy |
| Egeli on 12:43 - Feb 9 by FrimleyBlue |
I find it incredible how defensive people get on this site, at what point have i said I dont want to see him any time soon, let alone period jeez, It was more of I don't see where he's going to fit in with the new signings we've got and others coming into the fold. "Written off" etc,. No - having a discussion about a young player
People saying ignore the price we've paid, but in the next breath can't comtemplate him Playing games with the u21s, why? because of the price we've paid? he can still train with the first team like humphreys did.
People saying we won't be sending him on loan next season, why? we may be prem, why couldn't we? he may well be ready, he may not be for it, so yeah loan moves would make sense. That's what other prem clubs do. |
It isn't about being defensive. It's about responding to and disagreeing with what you've said.
"I know we spent a lot of money on him... but would it be so wrong to have him with the u21s for the remainder of season and then on loan somewhere next season?"
Alongside all your prior sentences ending ..., the explicit comments are clear, as is the inference. You're encouraging conversation on, and ultimately support for, ending Egeli's Championship campaign now. Otherwise, what does "have him with the U21s for the remainder of the season" mean?
And I think that's plain wrong, personally. I'm much more in favour of people not trying to argue for that.
And as for U21 level, we mostly appreciate that standard is poorer than the division he was comfortable in last season. The challenge has been adjusting to this standard, which isn't achieved by dropping to the level he played at when he was 17, with miles less intensity and miles more space. I find it implausible that this suggestion was inspired by thoughts for helping his development, rather than your frustrations at watching him in the team. | | | |
| Egeli on 13:51 - Feb 9 with 401 views | LeoMuff |
Would make sense, though could be one where he develops rapidly over the summer and pre season and gets a chance in the premier. |  |
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| Egeli on 13:56 - Feb 9 with 383 views | SheffordBlue |
That website is just hooks for betting sites and really hasn't been very reliable at all.
A loan back to the Championship if we go up might not be unexpected but he's still got plenty of time to show further growth. He's had a massive move at a young age and taking a while to adapt isn't uncommon.
I'd quite like to see him come on later in games when things have opened up a bit (which was how Omari was used early in his time with us). I think it's been a big ask for him to have as many starts as he has. | |
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| Egeli on 14:27 - Feb 9 with 344 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Egeli on 13:40 - Feb 9 by Smoresy |
It isn't about being defensive. It's about responding to and disagreeing with what you've said.
"I know we spent a lot of money on him... but would it be so wrong to have him with the u21s for the remainder of season and then on loan somewhere next season?"
Alongside all your prior sentences ending ..., the explicit comments are clear, as is the inference. You're encouraging conversation on, and ultimately support for, ending Egeli's Championship campaign now. Otherwise, what does "have him with the U21s for the remainder of the season" mean?
And I think that's plain wrong, personally. I'm much more in favour of people not trying to argue for that.
And as for U21 level, we mostly appreciate that standard is poorer than the division he was comfortable in last season. The challenge has been adjusting to this standard, which isn't achieved by dropping to the level he played at when he was 17, with miles less intensity and miles more space. I find it implausible that this suggestion was inspired by thoughts for helping his development, rather than your frustrations at watching him in the team. |
That's where knowing my seasons thoughts on egeli have always been about his development, the talents he has, and how I felt our right hand role doesn't work for him, there's no infering that his championship season be ended, as i don't like him. It's more I don't see where he gets the game time when we've seen our right side is much more balanced when he's not on it. I said about your defensiveness of a player as you threw in the piece about me not wanting to see him maybe never again which is far far from what im saying.
Anways, could go on and on i guess, we all want the same thing for him, that's not being argued, just have different views on what that path is. [Post edited 9 Feb 14:29]
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| Egeli on 14:57 - Feb 9 with 315 views | dirtyboy |
| Egeli on 14:27 - Feb 9 by FrimleyBlue |
That's where knowing my seasons thoughts on egeli have always been about his development, the talents he has, and how I felt our right hand role doesn't work for him, there's no infering that his championship season be ended, as i don't like him. It's more I don't see where he gets the game time when we've seen our right side is much more balanced when he's not on it. I said about your defensiveness of a player as you threw in the piece about me not wanting to see him maybe never again which is far far from what im saying.
Anways, could go on and on i guess, we all want the same thing for him, that's not being argued, just have different views on what that path is. [Post edited 9 Feb 14:29]
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If he was 21 level, we wouldn't have stumped up however many millions on him.
He's learning his trade in a position where he can't do any damage.
He'll continue to get minutes that suit and will no doubt be much better placed following a full pre-season. | | | |
| Egeli on 15:12 - Feb 9 with 279 views | RetroBlue |
Would be nice see the lad get some minutes in his proper position.... coming off the bench maybe. Its his first season at this level abd overall I think hes done pretty well. He's only just 19yrs of age.... |  |
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| Egeli on 16:12 - Feb 9 with 220 views | PrideOfTheEast |
We've bought him for that future potential. KM even last week talked about how we "had the opportunity" to get him, in a tone which suggested he's probably been more involved than we'd have anticipated at the start of the season.
It was only 2 months ago that he scored a brilliant opening goal against Cov, impacted the game at Blackburn (scoring) and a little earlier than that he was v good at QPR and several home games. He's not about to go and play regularly for the u21s.
Again as KM has said, he's probably a 10 (maybe a 9) down the line but will be learning loads. I wonder if they start him in the 10 on Friday night. | | | |
| Egeli on 16:39 - Feb 9 with 194 views | peterleeblue |
| Egeli on 11:58 - Feb 8 by SuffolkPunchFC |
I was going to write something similar - too little patience with too many other players who have come (or are coming good).
I'd add Azon to your excellent list |
Patience!!!
I am not sure too many know the meaning of the word. |  | | |
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